Usul Al-Hadith: Texts

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  1. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    Brother Kattarsunni is very sincere and very knowledgeable, and upright than most of us. A look at all of his posts will demonstrate this. He practices great caution, and respect towards 'ulama. One should hide a mistake of an excellent Sunni brother, and erase it forever from memory.

    i trust brother Kattarsunni totally, and i give priority to his feelings, and would like to ask all other brothers to trust him. He has immense Khushoo and khudhoo. There are few sincere Sunnis these days.

    one should treat a brother the way the brother wants to be treated, it fosters hubb
  2. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    Those words should still not have been used when addressing the sister.
  3. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    actually the sisters posts in the beginning sounded like she was looking for a fight and argumentation. it may not be the intention, but it looked like that from her posts. i think people should just give it away to misunderstanding tones and intentions on written text and that's that.
  4. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    I agree, he should not have used those words against the sister.
  5. Nawazuddin

    Nawazuddin Veteran

    The attitude of brothers here appears to be condescending towards the sister. It does not matter if she is a woman. What matters is the content of her argument.
  6. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    Is the above true. Sad Sacred relics get auctioned off these days like a car auction or if I dare say like a jumble sale.
  7. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    i don't have the time or the inclination to argue with women - but sister, you give sisters a bad name and actually reinforce the negative stereotype.

    a young boy once went up the hill grazing his sheep and cried: 'ahoy' and the echo came from the valley - 'ahoy'. so the boy shouted: 'who are you? you idiot.' and the echo came: 'who are you? you idiot.'

    'i will ask my father to beat you.'
    'i will ask my father to beat you.'

    the boy ran to his father and told him the story that someone in the valley was threatening him. the old man advised him: 'go and tell him: 'you are a nice lad'. the boy ran up again and shouted: 'you are a nice lad'.

    'you are a nice lad.'

    wa billahi't tawfiq.
  8. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    Bhaji I am sorry if I said anything. Sorry if my post sounded like you was from amongst the sisters who went on the rihla without a mahram and that you may have lied to get in Saudi by having a fake mahram.
  9. .:Amatullah:.

    .:Amatullah:. Active Member

    Actually it wouldn't even be considered makruh tanzihi given the situation. Study the life of the women sahaba. You will learn a lot. Gender does not change the fact that all who saw your original posts now should be well aware of the type of person they are dealing with. Allah save us.
  10. .:Amatullah:.

    .:Amatullah:. Active Member

    Now where is your credibility Kattar? You have shown how much of a little boy you are. If you are not man enough to stick to your original words which you have now deleted then at least be man enough to apologize. Be a Rajul. And Ghulam too.
  11. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    It would only be readable for those who have seen it at HSBT. Unless your mahram took it out of the library for you??

    Because you are a woman, I sincerely apologize for any offense caused. I won't be entertaining any discussion with you sister as I only discovered you were a woman about three posts ago (didn't realize).

    As you are a ghayr mahram it would be appropriate not to continue, irrelevant to the ruling be tanzihi as you think.

    I have not deleted any of my comments. My original post is the same only one comment was removed. The moderators may have removed anything they deem unnecessary. But I did not say anything out of hand. There was the comment about hormones due to your cynical behavior ('Moron' comment). I have already apologized for that above.

    Seeing as you are a woman, the 'faqih' you know who does 'luzum albayt' maybe a 'faqihah' and this is permissible for her. Unless she believes in the new 'fatwa' that women can travel without a mahram the distance of a musafir. Or tours up and down UK giving speeches without a 'mahram'. If it is a man 'faqih' then it would be good to send a 'mahram' to check if you have got your facts right.

    That's end of discussion for me.
  12. .:Amatullah:.

    .:Amatullah:. Active Member

    In order to know that a library has a particular work does not necessitate being inside the place. I thought this was clear through the words: Converse error.

    Victoria Albert Museum has many relics from Madinah. Apparently cloth from the Blessed Rowdah. But I have been there? No. But I know what they stock. I can even describe the cloth in fact. But I haven't been there.
  13. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

  14. .:Amatullah:.

    .:Amatullah:. Active Member

    All reliability and credibility has just gone out the window. Allah knows best how many times some important matters may have been listed but then deleted for whatever agenda.
  15. .:Amatullah:.

    .:Amatullah:. Active Member

    Why have the latest posts by Ghulam and Kattarsunni, in which they demonstrated their lack of ghayra, been deleted? These two individuals spoke in such a disgusting manner about women; something they nor anyone else would describe their mothers and sisters with. You have control over the forum but not the Angels who record every deed.

    Is this how the students of Shaykh Asrar behave? You attend Mishkat but clearly: In through one ear and out the other. The words of the Best of Mankind (Upon him the most perfect prayers and salutations) come to mind:

    "When you feel no shame, then do whatever you wish." (Sahih Al-Bukhari)
  16. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    I'll over look your insults as you are a woman (I have just noticed from Brother Ghulam).

    I'll make my post even easier for you to understand.

    I wrote earlier:

    Now I'll make my post more easier for the deficient in a'ql (naqisat ala'ql):

    Prayer in congregation is still sunnah even if a person is practicing 'luzum albayt'. But Shaykh Abdul Ghani gives a different chapter to show even attending the congregation is dropped in tribulation. And he believed it was rampant in his time.
    Then the conditions of the obligatory congregation being dropped are given in the passage which I initially quoted.
    Now that's why I highlighted the 'our time' passage in the above quote.

    So if tribulation has not reached the level it had in the time of the Shaykh then the sunniya of the congregation still applies, even if someone is doing 'luzum albayt'. The conditions of the sunniya applying are those same conditions which are not met in times of tribulation.

    But you have nothing to worry about as congregation is not necessary on women.
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  17. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

  18. .:Amatullah:.

    .:Amatullah:. Active Member

    No I didn't

    Allah knows best. Contact a mufti

    Converse error/Affirmation of the consequent.
  19. .:Amatullah:.

    .:Amatullah:. Active Member

    In the same way no Sufi backbites or slanders; an oxymoron with emphasis on the MORON.

    Even in the last chapter, the Imam discusses a state when the people and Imams are involved in Kaba'ir and even explicit kufr. There is no mention of the 'noteworthy,' point which you keep reiterating. This is your own explanation of the applicability of the fatwa; something which no living mufti has endorsed. Additionally, you have taken an excerpt from Nihaya Al-Murad and tried correlating it with the text on Luzum Al-Buyut.

    Further to this, the discussion was on Luzum Al-Buyut, and not missing jama'ah for a valid reason. One can miss Jama'ah for a valid reason and yet not be practicing Luzum Al-Buyut.

    I do know some 'fuqaha,' who miss the Jama'ah and have tea and cakes: You don't. That's fine. I'll contact a student of Shaykh Asrar who probably took better notes of that specific dars.
  20. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    Sister Amatullah you said you was in the HSBT Library.

    The masjid takes Lottery money can you pray namaz in jamat at Ombersley Road or in Alum Rock with Bal as trustee?

    Can you ask Mufti Yaar, Mufti Niaz Sain, Shaykh Fiaz Sain or one of the living Muftis in the Dars e Nizami Faculty as it seems you are a student if you was in the library with you being a sister


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