Warning others of Deobandies and Wahabies

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  1. sunni_porter

    sunni_porter Well-Known Member

    At the 25:18 mark, Allama sahib says the Deos/Wahhabis themselves made people do sajdahs at graves and videotaped it in order to frame Sunnis.

    I have also heard that they are the ones who have people dance during Mawlids, again in order to frame Sunnis.

    Is there evidence of this available anywhere?
     
  2. sunni_porter

    sunni_porter Well-Known Member

    It is Allama Mukhtar Shah Naeemi Ashrafi. (Not sure if MoslemMale's post # 21 already answered this question or not)

    In the video he mentions he is in a masjid in Houston. There are other videos of him on the internet giving talks in a Houston masjid; the voice and speaking style is the same. Also see video in post # 21.
     
  3. MoslemMale

    MoslemMale New Member

    JazakAllah Khayr for the reply
     
  4. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    this Devbandi is rejecting the Holy Qur'an itself - see verses 36-38 of Surah Hijr.

    قَالَ رَبِّ فَأَنظِرْنِي إِلَىٰ يَوْمِ يُبْعَثُونَ
    He (Satan - Iblees) said, “My Lord! Grant me respite till the day when they will all be raised.”

    قَالَ فَإِنَّكَ مِنَ الْمُنظَرِينَ
    Said Allah, “You are of those given respite.”

    إِلَىٰ يَوْمِ الْوَقْتِ الْمَعْلُومِ
    “Till the Day of a well-known time.”


    If you have access to that rascal Devbandi - ask him "Who answers the prayers of all the infidels? Is it not Allah, the Supreme??"
     
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  5. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    Don't believe the Devbandis even if they provide a reference; these wicked rascals resort to lying and deception in the extreme, just to fulfill their filthy agenda. they even print SUNNI books, purposely riddled with mistakes and anti-aqeedah statements, and then show them as "evidence" - Beware! Beware! Beware!.

    Just see one example given below - they printed Khazain ul Irfaan, from their own press, with mistakes, and they now tout it as an "aqeedah" of ahle Sunnah. The first image is the one printed by Devbandis - the second one is printed by Sunnis.


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  6. MoslemMale

    MoslemMale New Member

    Anyone?
     
  7. MoslemMale

    MoslemMale New Member

    The speakers name is Allama Mukhtar Shah Naeemi Ashrafi
    Khalifah Majaaz Astana Aliya Kachocha Shareef (India)

     
  8. Brother Barry

    Brother Barry Veteran

    As for the post by this hippy on Shaykh Asrar.. it's perhaps the most stupidest thing I've read. In all honesty it just looks like a case of a individual trying to create fitna for the sake of his own nafs.
     
  9. Brother Barry

    Brother Barry Veteran

    Agreed that post was inappropriate and disrespectful and deserved deleting.
     
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  10. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    perhaps it is just me, what is untrue about noori's post that you quoted?

    if you are talking about that 'question' you posted about shaykh asrar - i didn't say it at that time, but i will tell you THIS time. it is an utterly stupid objection which doesn't even deserve a response.

    if a deobandi calls you a 'brother' - then you have become a sulH kulli! sub'HanAllah.

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    just for the record, did anyone warn you that you will be banned for that post? i guess a couple of posts were deleted as they warn't productive (and upon protest, it was restored even - check that thread here, and let me know if any of your posts were deleted)

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    one can say anything with or without proof...

    نسأل الله العافية
     
  11. MoslemMale

    MoslemMale New Member

    Jazakullah, that does help. The other issue in the video is about a passage in Noor ul Irfan (commentary on Kanz ul Iman) by Ahmed Yaar Khan Naeemi (rh), in the book there is this passage 'mauth ka din barzurqu ki dua se tal jata hai, balkhe shaytan ki dua se bhi' the speaker shows the cover of the book, he does not mention page number etc. but goes on to read the passage i just quoted above. Has anyone heard or read anything about this?
     
  12. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    this might help.
     
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  13. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    I asked a question to MoslemMale, questions cannot be attributed to falsehood or truth.

    yes, i deleted that thread because it was quite disgusting. I didn't read who said what, who was disrespecting and who was refuting, but it was so disgusting to look at such drawings so i immediately deleted it.

    baseless objection without any proof. we hate sullah kullism

    why not? do you want us to delete posts which are according to our (ahlussunah wa jama'ah) creed and keep those which are not?

    not true at all, perhaps sunniport is the most tolerant islamic forum on the internet, we do not delete posts which criticize us. yes we do delete posts, thread, and ban members when it is evident that it is all monkey business.

    why not take this very example of MoslemMale, i'm myself asking him to state the objection with references.

    by the way, i don't remember, if you have not been warned before then I do now. Do not post any disrespectful material here or i will ban you without any warning, other admins and mods are more tolerant than me.
     
  14. basirqadri786

    basirqadri786 Banned

    no, this is not true at all, my post http://sunniport.com/index.php?threads/derogatory-post-by-abdul-aziz-suraqah.13588/ was deleted, this forum is becoming more like sullah kulli forum and applying the same censorship like any other deobandi and wahhabi forums. If is it inline with forum celeb scholars, keep the post, but if the celeb scholars are questioned, that's redline and delete the post and warn the poster he will get banned, but you have all the freehand to criticize (with or without proof) all those who the forum admins detest and dislike.
     
  15. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    again, why are you looking for refutations of such an objection which is laughable to you?

    anyway, we are not suspecting your sincerity, but if you are serious and struggling to find an answer then first you should post deobandi objection in their own words with references to sunni works. this is a basic principle to find answers. so it is simple few steps for a serious seeker;

    1. watch the video yourself, and note down the statements which are bugging you
    2. post their objections with references
    3. then clearly state what is bugging you

    i'm pretty sure that you'll get a satisfactory answer.
     
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  16. MoslemMale

    MoslemMale New Member

    just watch the video your understanding of urdu im sure is better than mine lol. it's bugging me because theres no refutation of this allegation on the internet well at least im struggling to find one.
     
  17. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    has the liar given any references? State his objection in his own words with reference. Also, when you think that his statement is laughable the why is it bugging you?
     
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  18. MoslemMale

    MoslemMale New Member

    I can't believe no one has mentioned Allamah Kokab Noorani Okarvi (hz) one of the best talks on the subject, he actually shows the books where all these passages are written.

     
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  19. MoslemMale

    MoslemMale New Member

    Asalamu alaikum. I wasn't trying to promote deobandies, but anyway the objection was about a passage in the Malfuzat of AalaHazrat (rh) where shaytan is seen praying and hoping to get forgiven. The speaker also says that the difference between us is that deos believe that shaytan is misguided and destined for hellfire whereas us (sunni-barelvis) believe shaytan might be forgiven (i know its laughable isn't it), the speaker also goes on and attributes this belief to mufti ahmad yar khan naeemi (rh). i just wanted some clarification on this issue and what our ulema have said regarding these allegations. Jazakullah.
     
  20. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    A concise but comprehensive work by raees ul qalam, Allama Maulana Arshad ulQadri (alayhe rehmah) called "Daawat e Insaaf" is a must read. English translation is available HERE
     
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