what are clear cut reasons for takfir of dr.tahir

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  1. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator


    The Moral Principle and the Material Interest


    A MORAL Principle met a Material Interest on a bridge wide enough for but one.

    "Down, you base thing!" thundered the Moral Principle, "and let me pass over you!"

    The Material Interest merely looked in the other's eyes without saying anything.

    "Ah," said the Moral Principle, hesitatingly, "let us draw lots to see which shall retire till the other has crossed."

    The Material Interest maintained an unbroken silence and an unwavering stare.

    "In order to avoid a conflict," the Moral Principle resumed, somewhat uneasily, "I shall myself lie down and let you walk over me."

    Then the Material Interest found a tongue, and by a strange coincidence it was its own tongue. "I don't think you are very good walking," it said. "I am a little particular about what I have underfoot. Suppose you get off into the water."

    It occurred that way.

    Fantastic Fables
    by Ambrose Bierce
     
  2. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    May Allah reward him and I say this with love and kindness - but that's simply not enough! He should be on the phone with a lawyer discussing ways to sue these dajjals.

    Sunnis who can, should be out suing these ratbags!

    No mercy to these munafiqs. Sue the minhajush shaytan for millions of dollars for lieing and take that ghaneemah.

    Get on the phone with Sunni lawyers, and Muslims in the UK too should be told to do the same thing.

    They simply can'y flash someone's name like that without their permission and get away with it, even in this political climate in the west.

    Our innocent scholars and common brothers and sisters should start thinking shrewdly and ruthlessly like these evil monsters and be a little switched on about the duniya too.

    It's not just about defending our 3aqidah and/or clarifying our positions, but also delivering a blow to these dajjals where it will hurt them, and what better way to hurt the money hungry minhajians than to swipe out a few hundred grand or with any luck a few million dollars from their bank accounts.
     
  3. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    Mihajis are munafiqs in the true sense of the word! They hosted a na'at event here in SA in some remote area. The hypocrites inserted the names of known Sunnis onto their poster to promote the event! These sunnis were surprised when they began receiving phone calls by other concerned sunnis regarding their attendance. I actually met three na'at reciters who told me about this and they are willing to give this to me in writing!

    These Minahjis are in the process of trying this same tactic in another city here. They have two posters. One with the Minhaj letterhead and another without it advertising that Sunni Ulama will be attending a joint na'at event. They placed the name of the Principal and founder of Darul Uloom Qadriya Ghareeb Nawaz, Allamah Sayyid Aleemudin Misbhani alongside the name of one of their founder members. When the Sayyid found out about this he immediately called a meeting with the organisers and sent a representation through that made it known that he will not be attending and that his name be removed from their posters!
     
  4. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    I recently came across this (again)! Truly, whatever answer you seek regarding the problems that sunnis face today will (in sha' Allah) be found within this magnificent work - Fatawa Ridawiyyah Sharif!

    A Fatwa from Volume 21 Page 157 - 161, Rendered into English with Explanatory Notes By International Sunni Research Institute (UK)

     
  5. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    i would also appreciate it if you could talk a little about what i said in this point:

    his so many other blasphemies at the wembley event, like "we will remember the love of krishna" and wishing for kufr to flourish by saying "may every religion keep its fragrance".

    go on. don't talk to any "fatwabaz pir" from the subcontinent.

    read yourself the books of the imams of madhhahib on what they say regarding praising the idols of the mushrikeen and wishing for kufr to flourish or wishing for kufr to survive
     
  6. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    jahangir posted this comment in reply to me on another thread, because he had nothing to reply with on this thread

    simple answer to you jahangir - indo-pak or non-indo-pak are not the criteria for what is right or wrong in islam.

    the criteria are Quran and Sunnah

    if you can bring evidence from there, please share it, or otherwise have some shame, and stay silent.
     
  7. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    Jahangir:

    Here is a hint on how to classify believers:-

    [A/I`mran 3:102] O People who Believe! Fear Allah in the manner He should rightfully be feared, and do not die except as Muslims.

    Both the words are here: Believers (Amanoo), and Muslims (Muslemoon). Got it? Dr Tahir's classification uses the same word i.e. 'Believers' for Christians and Jews. So whose word will you accept? Allah's word or that of the doctor? (BTW, 'doctor' also means 'fabricator', 'manipulator', 'alterer', 'defacer' etc.)
     
  8. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

  9. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    I heard it a hundred times before I wrote the book "Hussam ul Furqan......."

    Here is an unbiased translation of his speech at the Christmas function:-

    When the entire world is classified, it is classified into “Believers” and “Non-believers”. “Non-believers” is the term used for the “Kuffar”, in scholarly lexical terms. And “Believers” is the term used for those who accept faith upon the revelations sent down by Allah, upon the heavenly books, upon the prophets. They could have any religion(!!). So, when the classification is made into “Believers” and “Non-Believers”, the people adhering to the Jewish faith, the people of the Christian brotherhood, and the Muslims – these three religions are counted amongst the “Believers”.They are not counted amongst the Kuffar (!!) (Non-Believers) (15). And those who do not accept faith upon any heavenly book, heavenly prophet or apostle or messenger – they are counted amongst the group of “Non-Believers”(!!). And the “Believers” are further classified into “Ahle-Islam” *(Muslims) and “Ahle Kitaab” (People of the Book). So, even in the Quran, the regulations for the “Ahle Kitaab” (People of the Book) are different from the regulations for the Kuffar.

    Now a simple question to you: What is meant by "believers" in this "definition" by Dr Tahir? Ahle Imaan or Ahle Kufr?

    Read the full book - you will come to know of SEVERAL BLASPHEMIES uttered in that single speech (not just the believers / non believers issue). www.ahlesunnat.biz/hussamulfurqan.pdf

    I am NOT blind, nor is any other respectable aalim. But what the Holy prophet said is true: Love for a thing makes you blind and deaf.

    Is that the case because of YOUR love of Dr Tahir?
     
  10. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    tahir was being humble in february. apparently, just the previous month, in london he was claiming that he studied for 15-20 years. (from sunnaforum)

    50% discount.
     
  11. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    the reason you fall for these verbal gymnastics is your gloomy ignorance.

    1.
    let me call your bluff.

    1a. give me the original fiqhi word in arabic for the english "believers but not ahle iman/mumin". surely, if tahir bases his opinions on works of fiqh, they've got to have come from the books of masters, specially since he has been personally tutored by Imam-e-A3zdham himself for 9 years! (ps. ahle kitab translates to "people of the book", not "believers")

    1b. additionally what is the english translation of the arabic mumin/ahl al-iman

    two very simple questions

    2.
    no. you apparently didn't see the video where he specifically says they are not kafirs.

    calling them kafirs later on (if he did say it) does NOT undo the first blasphemy unless he publicly renounces it and repents from it since he made that statement publicly.

    if only you had read the books of ulema, i'm not even talking about 'my fatwabaz pir' but uncontested and celebrated scholars of the madhhahib, who are unified on this that if a person utters a blasphemy he has to renounce that specific blasphemy.

    3. even if one is to assume for the sake of argument with blind fanboys, that he actually did go ahead and renounce his blasphemy of saying that christians and jews are not kafirs, that does not undo his so many other blasphemies at the wembley event, like "we will remember the love of krishna" and wishing for kufr to flourish by saying "may every religion keep its fragrance".

    go on. don't talk to any "fatwabaz pir" from the subcontinent.

    read yourself the books of the imams of madhhahib on what they say regarding praising the idols of the mushrikeen and wishing for kufr to flourish or wishing for kufr to survive - if you have a heart to digest the truth, eyes to see 'ear to hear and mind to judge ...'
     
  12. Jahanghir

    Jahanghir Banned

    believers (ahle iman/mumin) --- this is your definition of believers that they are Momin or Ahle Iman... you are putting you words in his mouth ...

    TUQ never said that Jews and Christians are Momin or Ahle Iman ...

    He clearly said in above video that They are Kafir ...

    He wrote book "Ahle Kitab Quran aur Hadith ki Roshni mei" where he brought numours ayah to prove that Jews and Christians are Kafir ...

    I wish you and your Fatwa baaz pir would have read it...

    but you got to have ear to hear and mind to judge ...
     
  13. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    bring me a book by the master scholars from any islamic science 3aqidah, fiqh, tasawwuf, tafseer, hadith, kalam, tareekh, whatever - that states that ahle kitab are believers (ahle iman/mumin) but not muslims and supports the gibberish you wrote above

    it might come as a surprise to you but what you have said and attested to as tahir's saying is the exact opposite of islamic teachings and 3aqidah

    for a start, open the Quran and read that partially "believing" in some prophets and not in some others is absolute DISbelief. there are more than one verses on it.

    it's only the sad state of affairs in this age that people like you are even accorded air time and web space. otherwise, it is YOU my friend, who needs to see a psychiatrist for speaking with such brazen arrogance despite not even knowing your abc's of islamic beliefs!

    astaghfirullah, and without talking big, but from your talks it seems you have never even as much as gotten some elementary religious education at home or finished a recitation of the Quran, and all your hot air comes forth from group hugs with other jahil fanboys of tahir and hanson.
     
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  14. Jahanghir

    Jahanghir Banned

    He never said that that Jews and Christians are Ahle Iman ... you are putting your words in his mouth ... you should see psychiatrist, it's free in UK. You have truly reached to insanity ... and it's not your fault because your pirs and gurus are insane ...

    he said that there are two group in humanity.

    one is belivers and other is non beleivers...

    believers are those who believe in Allah, previous prophets, heaven, hell, life after death , angles and heavely books...

    non believers are those who don't believe in life after death, prophets, heavenly books etc ... like hindus, buddhist, pagans ...

    Ahle kitab comes under categary of believers as explain above... but not muslims ...

    check yourself here ... i hope you are not deaf like Abid Jalali sahib

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t32s1eztV4
     
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  15. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    I checked out his speech. For Christians / Jews he says that they are not 'Muslims'. "woh musalmaan nahin hain" He does not say that they are not Momin (woh ahle Imaan nahin hain).

    Nor does he openly say that they (christians and jews) are "kaafir" (woh kaafir hain - disbelievers).

    therefore by using different words, with different meanings, Dr Tahir does not leave his stance. For him, christians and jews are 'ahle imaan'. So no repentance, no change in stance, no remorse. the fatwa against him stands.

    this is equal to his giving speeches in praise of syedna Abu Bakr and saying anyone who does not believe in his sahabiyat is challenging Allah's word. He does not openly say Shias are kaafir because of refuting the evidence of the qur'an. his giving such speeches does not absolve him from the kufr of calling murtad shias as 'muslims'.

    this fellows duplicity and hypocricy has no end........
     
  16. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    the file is attached.
     

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  17. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    TRY TO FIRST UNDERSTAND THIS QUOTE: (and then, if you do not have an iota of faith, try to defend it.)


    At the Wembley conference on 24 Sept 2011 - Dr Tahir personally went over to the Hindu pundit requesting him (to pray to):

    QUOTE: “Any God you want, any words you want to say, any name according to your religion”. UNQUOTE.

    Does a MUSLIM believe in ANY GOD, other than ALLAH?

    Read the full post here: http://www.sunniport.com/masabih/showthread.php?t=10164
     
  18. IslamIsTheTruth

    IslamIsTheTruth Well-Known Member

    Clarification needed

    Correct me if im wrong please. But from my understanding the 72 astray sects are still within the folds of islam and salvation for them is possible i.e their beliefs havent reached the state of kufr but they are among the ahlul biddah rather than the murtads. They will go to hell because of there aqeedah where as those with the correct beliefs may enter the fire for the sins they commited. If i am wrong then forgive me.
     
  19. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    have you heard of the straw man argument?

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    tahir says that yahud and nasara are not kafirs. but you are - like the banned fellow - trying to show 'believers'.

    as for the statements you've quoted below, i will see this later. in sha Allah.
     
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  20. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    harunI posted this:
    as is obvious, he keeps repeating the same thing and avoids the issue that tahir already said kufr and did not repent from it.

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    notice how big their egos are and how obsessed they are about their own pitiful selves. harun HAD to add I in capital next to his name.

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    when it suits him it is tricky for him to answer; when it is conducive to him, he will demand an exact answer without any concession. readers will no doubt notice, that such people come with nice words and flowery language but a few personal attacks on them and their true selves are bared.

    sincere people are never perturbed by personal attacks.

    such people - sidekicks of frauds like tahir should not be entertained. we wanted to ban him long ago, as we don't want to waste our time spitting in the sewer, but we just let him demonstrate how they stubbornly refuse direct and simple answers for explicit questions - but are ready to give elaborate justifications.

    wa billahi't tawfiq.
     

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