http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/sho...-ibn-Alawi-Maliki-and-the-scholars-of-Deoband link to what absalih quoted.
Istighathah: Seeking aid from other than Allah Istighathah: Seeking aid from other than Allah An original Deoband.org article By Saad Khan This article proves that Deobandis are Wahhabis. For eg : Also: . This is the same person who had accused the Great scholar of Makkah as having Bid'at belief.He had written: [sunniforum under: Beliefs of Muhammad ibn Alawi Maliki and the scholars of Deoband]
That is Tahir Gayawi al-deobandi the so called "debator" from deobandi sect. I don't even remember how many debates he has lost to sunni scholars. The most famous one was when he lost to Mufti Motiur Rehman ( may Allah preserve him . ameen). A deobandi scholar who was also a part of debate ( assisting Tahir gayawi) ,he accepted the true islam ( ahlus sunnah ) after this debate. I have the written testimony to this. Later this deobandi maulvi gave his 'marksheet " and "passing out certificate" ( from darul uloom deoband)showing that he was deobandi but now he is a sunni. We published and distributed this entire thing in big posters. --- Look at the words and examle this Tahir Gayawi is using to support the disrespect shown to our prophet ( sal allahu alayhi wa sallam) by deobandi scholars. Very recently Tahir Gayalwi was invited to deliver a speech at kolkatta. Instead of the organizers some one else reached airport to receive him and Tahir Gayalwi went with them. These people took Tahir in a vehicle to some remote place and warned him not to continue his filth against Islam. This was in newspaper. The scholars of Ahlus sunnah condemned this , by saying , that even though Tahir Gaywai al deobandi suppoerts and love those who show disrespect to prophet( sal allahu alayhi wa salalm) , still people should not commit wrong things. It is still not known who was behind this.
Here is a Video of Deobandi Mnazir from India justifying the Gustakhi of Ashraf Ali Thanwi.. If he hadn't written the statement then why the justification: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheEmpireofFaith#p/u/10/KEY6i_icbHM
As-salamu 'alaykum If you have the scans of the quotes, please put them online here. Else I've the got the books. I can find the pages and scan them, in sha'a Llah. Why don't someone make a page with all suchs scans gathered on one page. I have a lot of scanned pages from Fatawa Rashidiyya with anti-sunni writings. Allah Hafiz
It is very important to know about the aqida of Maulvi Khaleel Ambethvi . Please read this: Khaleel Ambethvi al Deobandi He wrote many blasphemous statement regarding prophet ( sal allahu alayhi wa sallam). One such statement has been mentioned above. During his debate at Bhawalpur, he was propogating the deobandi belief that Allah can lie .( may Allah save all the muslims from this evil belief . Ameen) His main argument was that since human beings can lie , so Allah must have power to lie! He also said that Allah has power to steal ,drink ( sharab khori), ignorant ( juhal) and attrocity ( zulm), otherwise human beings will have more things under their power than Allah. [ Tazkirat al Khaleel,p.146 , by Aashiq Ilahi merathi] http://www.falaah.co.uk/refutation/wahabi/186-debate-at-bhawalpur.html Yes, Maulvi Rashid Gangohi did give a fatwa of waqu e kidhb.
jab tawaqq'u hi uTh gayi ghalib kyuN kisi ka gilaa karey koyi? ---- how can you debate with liars? one way is to ask them for proof: on which page on which book is the 'slander' khalil claims? [himself a master of distortion, lies and hypocrisy vide muhannad.] where is the proof for taqi usmani's blatant lies? but don't expect them to give you any proof - they will just write two pages of irrelevant material and claim that they have provided proof. all this shows that the deobandi does not believe in judgement day; and if he did, he does not fear that he will be called to account on that day. --- but when we present the proof and shatter their illusions, the vermin run into corners, hiding, and then shamelessly reappearing after a while with the same lies in a new garb. === i have reasons to believe that this zameel on deoband is the same as ibnarabi on our forum, the same zindiq whose pathetic faith prompted him to say: and among other lies and patent forgeries (he claimed razi and others for his odious belief of imkan kadhib). astaghfirullah. wa billahi't tawfiq.
To clarify( so that people should not think that I am a wahabi/deobandi): sunnistudent( with no space) is different from sunni student( with space between sunni and student). My Id on this forum is sunnistudent and I used the same Id on marifah forums before I was banned.
the Deceits of Deobandis The article which appeared on Deobandi org as 'Repelling the Deceits of Al-Barelwi surrounding the Issue of Imkan al-Kadhib An original Deoband.org article By Mawlana Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri Translated by Zameelur Rahman ' It is written(May Allah forgive me for quoting) against A'ala Hazrat.Rah as How to deal with these slanders? I have written against them in Marifa forum. and sent emails to sunni student.
Sunnistudent we need this as a book or pamphlet QUICKLY. Like me I think every will know someone who is becoming a follower of Deobandis. Plz someone print this.
Mufti Ebrahim Desai is a leading scholar of the deobandi sect. Someone asked him a question regarding deobandi scholars [Please check Question 3195 from United States]. Mufti Ebrahim gave a lengthy reply to this question. Here we shall discuss one point which Mufti Ebrahim has mentioned. Whatever Mufti Ebrahim desai wrote has been mentioned in red colour. False Allegation Ashraf Ali Thanvi, a founder member of Deoband says: 'The Holy Prophet (Sallallaahu ?layhi Wasallam) has an education like that of children, lunatics and animals of every category.' (Hifzul Imaan pg. 7) The Truth The view of Hadhrat Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi is that: Hadhrat Moulana was asked, 'Did you in Hifzul Imaan or any other book write anything directly or indirectly comparing the education of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu ?layhi Wasallam) to that of children, lunatics and animals? If not then what is your ruling regarding a person who holds such a belief?' In reply to that Moulana states, 'Let alone writing such falsehood and filth, my heart had never even perceived such falsehood and verily if anyone holds such a belief he is out of the fold of Islam.' (Faisal-e-Khusoomat pg. 21) Clarification Hadhrat Hakimul Ummah, Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi (author of the famous 'Bahishti Zewar') did not write the abovementioned statement in Hifzul Imaan. Nor is it his belief. It is a slander on the said Moulana. In fact Hadhrat Moulana has stated clearly in 'Hifzul Imaan' that, 'Knowledge with regard to the Excellence of Prophethood has been bestowed totally upon Rasul (Sallallaahu ?layhi Wasallam) (Hifzul Imaan pg. 12) We see that as per Mufti Ebrahim Desai, Maulvi Ashraf Ali thanvi did not write any such statement Please check this link to see the original scan from Maulvi Ashraf Ali Thanvi’s book. http://www.falaah.co.uk/refutation/wahabi/82-refuting-deobandi-mufti-part-3-.html Readers can see that Maulvi Ashraf Ali Thanvi did write this blasphemous statement. Now the question is:Why did Mufti Ebrahim Desai Lie?
Yeah I was going to give them more answers but its Ramadhan so I just backed off. Is anyone going to make a book or pamphlet because everyone needs this stuff.
i think we're all to aware abt Justice sahab and his deviance, think AQ was being sarcastic sister. I found sum of ur comments re cousin marriages on DP quite hilarious btw.
Can someone make this into a pamphlet or book plz. Its no good stuck on this website. Everyone looks like they are becoming Deobandi this Ramadhan. Aq I'm sure Taqi Usmani wrote again Meelad Shareef.
don't you dare say anything about taqi usmani. he's a Hanafi and a leading authority worldwide in the global Islamic finance industry and routinely consults with CEO/COO's of major Islamic finance houses! enough said.
Lie of Mufti Taqi Usmani Taqi Usmani is a leading propagator of Wahaabi mission across the world. Here we shall quote his Arabic Fatwa (verdict) on the reason why Imam Ahmed Rida Khan and all the sunni disagree with Deobandis Taqi Usmani writes: (Translated from Arabic to English by a deobandi) To the noble brother ‘Allamah Muhammad ‘Ali Muhammad Ahdash, may Allah Most High protect him and watch over him. Assalamu ‘alaykum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh, I did indeed receive your noble letter with much happiness and prayed for accordance and success for you, and that Allah Most High grants you the ability to complete your work as he likes and pleases him. You have asked regarding two issues:[1] The first is with regards to the Barelwi group, which is distinct from the majority of Muslims in some points of belief (‘aqaid) and innovated practices (al-a’mal al-mubtada’ah). Among their beliefs is that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and grant him peace) knew the unseen and was cognizant of everything that was and shall be (ma kana wa ma yakun), and that his noble soul has the right of disposal in terms of benefiting and harming people. Their imam, Shaykh Ahmad Rada Khan al-Barelwi circulated a fatwa of kufr against the ‘ulama of Deoband and even said that he who does not consider them a kafir is also a kafir. This was because they (the ‘ulama of Deoband) had criticized their beliefs and said: the knowledge of the unseen is a quality (sifah) of Allah Most High, no one is a partner with him in this. However, He Most High informed His messengers of that which he wished from the unseen. Among their bid’ah practices is that they celebrate certain festivals that are not established in the Qur’an and Sunnah and consider them to be preferable (mustahab), rather they treat them like those actions that are wajib by expressing extreme loath for those who do not join them. Likewise, they have contrived certain practices when someone dies such as the family of the dead person inviting people on the third, tenth and fortieth day after the passing of the deceased. Food is prepared for them and he who does not do this is severely reprimanded. And there are many other such innovations. Discourse regarding this group is plenty. However, that which I have mentioned is a summary of their beliefs and practices. Among them are those who exceed the limit in this, talk nonsense and are bigoted, and those who in comparison to the others are balanced. And Allah Most High is the most knowledgeable. [Mufti] Muhammad Taqi Usmani (may Allah forgive him) 5/1/1426 Fatawa ‘Uthmani (Kitab al-Iman), vol. 1, p. 91 1.The second issue was regarding a lease (ijarah) contract which was produced in the chapter to do with ijarah Analysis The reference (Vol.1, P.91) is that of Pakistani edition of Fatwa ‘Uthmani. In the Indian edition the fatwa is present on page 101 /102. Please see the scan below. The Fatwa was issued in Arabic because the question was asked in Arabic. There is no mention of the details of questioner. It seems the questioner is someone from outside the Indian Subcontinent. There is a possibility that the questioner might have been from Subcontinent, but this is a rare possibility, because most people who are educated and can write Arabic in Subcontinent know the reason for the difference between Sunnis and wahabis/deobandis. From this it can be concluded that this answer by Mufti Taqi was for someone who is not from Subcontinent. Mufti Taqi writes : “Their imam, Shaykh Ahmad Rada Khan al-Barelwi circulated a fatwa of kufr against the ‘ulama of Deoband and even said that he who does not consider them a kafir is also a kafir. This was because they (the ‘ulama of Deoband) had criticized their beliefs and said: the knowledge of the unseen is a quality (sifah) of Allah Most High, no one is a partner with him in this. However, He Most High informed His messengers of that which he wished from the unseen.” Mufti Taqi has spoken a lie .The fatwa (verdict) of Kufr against five people ( Mirza Ghulam Qadyani and four deobandi leaders) was issued by two hundred and sixty leading scholars from the Indian subcontinent and thirty three scholars from the city of Makkah al mukarmma and Medina al munawwara because of the blasphemous belief and writings of these five . The Fatwa had nothing to do with the knowledge of the unseen given to prophet ( sal allahu alayhi wa sallam). Maulvi Ashraf ali thanvi al deobandi ( one among these five) said that the knowledge of the unseen which prophet has is just like ( aysa) the knowledge which kids , insane and all four legged animals have. May Allah save us from these belief and writings. Ameen The fatwa upon other three deobandi scholars were due to different blasphemous statements present in their writing. Also, deobandis/wahabis deny the knowledge of the unseen given to the prophet. Mufti Taqi has spoken lie even on this part also. To know the real belief of deobandis/ wahabis on this issue, please see the below link with original quotes and references. http://falaah.co.uk/refutation/wahabi/171-deoband-and-knowledge-of-the-unseen.html Please note Mufti Taqi is sixty six years old and was born in Deoband. He knows very well the real cause of difference between Sunni and deobandi/wahabis. The question now is why did Mufti Taqi lie? Was he ashamed to reveal the blasphemous statements of deobandi/wahabi leaders? Or is it the part of same old deobandi methodology of speaking lie to sunni arab scholars and make them falsely believe that Deobandis are not the followers of ibn abdal wahab la najdi? The truth , as we all know that deobandis are the enemies of prophet and real followers of Ibn abdal wahab al najdi. Lets pray and hope that Mufti Taqi publicly takes back his answer and does tawba for his deceit. We all have to answer on the Day of Judgment. Source: http://www.falaah.co.uk/refutation/wahabi/185-lie-of-mufti-taqi-usmani.html Please click the above link to see the original arabic fatwa of Mufti Taqi Usmani.
Hadith of Rasul Allah [ sal allahu alayhi wa sallam] http://bewley.virtualave.net/AdabMufrad.html 634. The two-faced 1309. Abu Hurayra reported that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "The worst person is someone who is two-faced. He is the person who comes to one group of people with one face and another group of people with another face." 635. The wrong action of the two-faced 1310. 'Ammar ibn Yasir said, "I heard the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, say, "The person who has two faces in this world will have two tongues of the Fire on the Day of Rising.' He passed by a stout man and said, 'This is one of them.' Official Deobandi view regarding Ibn Abdal Wahab al Najdi al tamimi Al-Muhannad, the book of beliefs of the ulama of Deoband, on page 12, contains the following question and answer: "Question number 12: Muhammad Ibne Abdul Wahaab held the view that shedding the blood of Musalmaans and taking away their property and defiling their honour, all these things were lawful. He also termed them idolaters. He was insolent towards the elders. What is your view of him? And do you (think calling the Ahle Qiblah as infidels is a lawful act? Or do you think that he who does these things belongs to a legitimate sect? Answer: In our view the same verdict applies to them as has been given by the writer of Durr-e-Mukhtaar. And Khawarij are a band of people who waged war against the Imam because they thought him to be guilty of falsehood, that is, idolatry, which justified waging war. For this reason they take the taking of our lives and our property and making our women captives to be lawful. He further held that they were rebels. He also held that they did not Describe them as infidels because this was a matter of interpretation, though a faulty one. And Allamah Shaami, in his marginal notes on the book, has said, "Like it happened in our times when the followers of Ibne Abdul Wahaab sallying forth from Najd overwhelmed Haramain Shareefain. They described themselves as belonging to Hambali creed, but it was their belief that only they were Musalmaans and whoever was against their belief was an idolater and, so, they justified the killing of the Ahle Sunnat and the ulama of the Ahle Sunnat until Almighty Allah deprived them of their ascendancy." 2. Hussein Ahmad Sahib Tandvi Madni says: "Gentlemen' Muhammad Ibne Abdul Wahaab appeared in the Najd in the 13th century A.H., and, because he harboured evil thoughts and held wrong beliefs, he waged war on the Ahl-e-Sunnat Wall Jama'at, sought to force his evil thoughts upon them and considered lawful seizing of their properties as the spoils of war, and killing them, and considered all these acts to bring blessings. He was harsh on the people of the Haramain (Makkah and Madinah) in particular and on the people of the Hijaaz in general. He used most foul language against the pious men of the earlier generations. Because of the atrocities committed by him on them, countless people had to flee the holy cities of Makkah and Madinah, and many of them were martyred by his troops. In short, he was a tyrant, a rebel and an altogether evil person." (Ash-Shahaubus Saaqib, Page 42) 3. "Muhammad Ibne Abdul Wahaab believed that people all over the world and all Muslims were polytheists and infidels. (Page 44) 4. The Najdis believed, and his followers still believe, that the lives of Prophets (Alihumus Salaam) were limited to the times during which they lived upon this earth. Thereafter, in death, they and other faithfuls are equal. (Page 45) 5. This group holds that having a vision of the blessed Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) and visits to his blessed tomb are bad innovations and unlawful. He also holds as unlawful even journeying in that direction for this purpose. According to some of them, even journeying for the sake of paying a visit to the blessed tomb is like committing fornication. May Allah save us from such evil thoughts! (Page 45) 6. Anwar Shah Kashmiri writes in Fayd al Bari , Vol 1 "Muhammad ibn `Abd al Wahab Najdi, and indeed he was a stupid man with little knowledge." Present view of Deoband and deobandis regarding Ibn Abdal Wahab al Najdi al tamimi What do ulemas of deoband consider about Molana Abdul Wahhab? Do you agree that the present form of wahhbism has nothing to do with teachings of Maulana Abdul Wahhab? Answer Your observation is correct. Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhaab [ra] was a reputable and God-fearing Aalim of the eighteenth century aligned to the Hanbali Madhab. Sheikh enjoyed unique acceptance and love across the spectrum of social class. Sheikh, in conjunction with the royal family of the time, was responsible for rekindling the love for the Qur’aan and Sunnah in the populace of the Arabian peninsula. Unfortunately, subsequent to the death of the Sheikh, his opponents embarked on a vehement campaign of concocting erroneous beliefs and views and attributed them to the Sheikh. This, in an attempt to discredit the Sheikh and to bring about discord between his followers. When these attempts failed miserably, these opponents rescinded and capitalized on the influence that Sheikh’s name enjoyed and the love of the masses. By hijacking his movement and using it as a vehicle to spread their incorrect views and beliefs. For more information, refer to ‘The Life of Shaykh Abdul Wahhaab’ by Sheykh Muhammad Abu Bakr Ghazipuri. and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best Mufti Ebrahim Desai Darul Uloom Deoband has issued this fatwa regarding Ibn Abdul Wahab Najdi "Najdi is called one who is attributed to a great reformer and scholar Hadhrat Shiakh Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab Najdi (رحمۃ اللہ علیہ). This great reformist was accused of many things; therefore the opponents attribute us to him for irritating us. It is useful to study the book ?Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab ke khilaf propaganda aur Hindustan ke Ulam-e- Haq per uske asaraat? written by Hadhrat Maulana Manzoor Nomani. " Check fatwa id 5177 on deoband darul ifta website. I am not posting direct link so as to keep this forum clean. ---------------------- Conclusion : 1. When deobandis meet wahabis they quote Mufti Ebrahim desai and current fatwa from deoband. Hence they prove that they are supporters and followers of Ibn Abdal Wahab al Najdi . 2. When deobandis meet sunni scholars from out side subcontinent , they quote Al Muhannad. Hence they prove that they are also sunni! -------------- http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite Main Entry: hyp·o·crite Pronunciation: \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritēs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai Date: 13th century 1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion 2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings — hypocrite adjective
