What does baddu mean?

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  1. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    can someone link back to the original video, this video has been removed.
     
  2. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    yes my mistake, may Allah forgive me. the hadith says we do not write or calculate - إِنَّا أُمَّةٌ أُمِّيَّةٌ لاَ نَكْتُبُ وَلاَ نَحْسِبُ

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    what kind of study he did to be a "mufti"?- of course bedouins also became Muslims but as an overall generality the major groups of sahaba too, the blessed Muhajiroon and the Ansaar ridwan Allahi 3alaihim were not bedouins!
     
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  3. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    any word that is explicitly dimunitive in describing the Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam - even in the smallest degree - is kufr.
     
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  4. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    the hadith is sahih. "we are an ummi nation, and we do not write"

    one cannot misuse this hadith, for his own nefarious purposes.


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    as for "takhuttuhu bi yaminik" - many people don't know how to read. they take this snippet and run away. bhai, poori aayat to padh lo?
    at least read the entire aayah.

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    you did not recite [from a book], nor write with your right hand prior; if so, the falsifiers would doubt [you].

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    min qablihi - is downplayed. that is you did not read a book or write prior to the waHy. ulama have debated about this, whether he wrote himself or he commanded to write [as in the hadith of bukhari]. this is discussed in detail in madarij, among other works.
     
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  5. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    denying the Prophet's 3alaihis salam Quraysh lineage is outright kufr by ijma3. (devbandis: see the book of riddah in any fiqh book)

    i don't know if saying baddu counts as direct denial of Quraysh lineage. it most certainly is indirect denial to anyone with elementary knowledge of Arab culture.
     
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  6. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    ma'az Allah.
    gustakhi o bay adabi to deobandion ki tarbiyat ka bunyadi unsar hay, is kay baghayr koi deobandi molvi ban hi nahi sakta.
     
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  7. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    that is absolutely correct. makkah was a city and the quraysh were the highest, most powerful tribe.
    and banu hashim were the highest family within quraysh.

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    this is why we encourage people to attend mawlids and for mawlids to be events to teach the sirah and shamayil of sayyiduna RasulAllah SallALlahu alayhi wa sallam. reported by ibn abbas the hadith:

    the best of all arabs are the muDar; and among muDar, banu abd manaf; and the best of banu abd manaf are banu hashim - and the best of banu hashim are the banu abdul muTTalib. by Allah, since the time when Allah ta'ala created adam alayhis salam, whenever the descendants branched into two [or more], i was among the [descendants of the] best of the two.

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    hadith of muslim, via wathilah ibn al-asqa'a: rasulAllah SallAllahu alayhi wa sallam said:

    indeed, Allah ta'ala chose [as superior] from the sons of ibrahim (alayhis salam), ismayil (alayhis salam); and from the progeny of ismayil (alayhis salam), He chose banu kinanah; and from banu kinanah, He chose the quraysh; and from quraysh, He chose banu hashim - and He chose me in banu hashim.

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    in hadith of tirmidhi, bayhaqi, abu nua'ym via abbas ibn abdul muttalib: RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam said:

    indeed, when Allah ta'ala created me - He made me among the best of his creation; when He created tribes, He made me among the best of tribes; when He created lives, He made me the best of souls; when He created families, He made me among the best of families. i am from the best family and the best of souls. []

    in another version: [jamiy saghir, 1735 vide tirmidhi - SaHiH hadith.]

    indeed, when Allah ta'ala made the creation, he made me be in the best of groups - if there were only two, then in the best of the two. then He chose the tribes and made me among the best of tribes; then He chose the families and made me among the best of families. so i am the best of souls and among the best of families.

    munawi notes: 'khayruhum nafsa' means the best of soul and the best individual, the best human, the best in existence [among the creation].

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    they don't teach adab in devband. so kya shikayat.
     
  8. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    correct me if i'm wrong bro, i thought this is elementary seerah and Arab culture and even najdi baddu wahabis acknowledge this - the Quraysh tribe of the Prophet sal Allahu 3alaihi wa sallam and Hijazis in general are not counted as baddu or bedouin

    in fact the person who peed on the mosque wall is mentioned as a baddu in hadith, as well as the person who said to the Prophet 3alaihis salam 'do justice' and caused him 3alaihis salam displeasure, was a baddu

    as for the hadith re moon sighting which this mardood seems to be citing, more like casually distorting, (it could be another one, i'm no shaykhul hadith) it states 'we are an ummi people who do not read and write' rather than saying 'we're baddus'
     
  9. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Yes, you're right, actually. He said:

    'to Allah ne kya ayse nabiy ka intikhab kiya jo aysi qawm mein payda huwi ke jin mein aksar log likhna padhna nahin jaante the. kyun ke phir ye bhi ho sakta tha ke bhai qawm ke asaraat aaye hain...qawm bhi jahil.'
    Which implies, Allah sent RasulAllah ﷺ in an ignorant nation so that it can't be said RasulAllah ﷺ learned from them. They too were jahil. This last part is derogatory.
     
  10. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    at 0.16 he says: "qawm bhi jahil" and he equates this with "likhna padhna nahin jantay thay".
    because he said "bhi jahil" / his community was also jahil, which imples that...[al-iyadhu billah]!

    this is another kufr.

    and wa ma takhuttuhu bi yameenik - has been distorted. this murtad has totally stripped it out of context.

    la Hawla wa la quwwata illa billah. am at 21 seconds in the clip!

    the maa ana bi qa'ri is the remaining part of another post. we will deal with it there.

    at 0:40 he says: "hum ko kya padhayi likhayi say, hum to baddu log hain" / "what has reading writing got to do with us, we are bedouins".

    the murtadd khabees has been shaytan's plaything for years!
     
  11. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member



    Would it be insult to say baddu?
     

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