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Discussion in 'Smalltalk' started by Aqdas, Mar 3, 2017.
Or it/he could be dabbagh's jinn! one with some IT skills!
not just assumptions but what is observable and verifiable evidence.
regardless, we are against these people for principle. and you can dig this forum to learn that we were admirers of these people and praised them in the past.
Allah ta'ala knows best.
H92 could be dabbagh himself.
Nice sleuthing, aH.
Clearly H92 is from dabbagh's entourage. I had a similar feeling midway in the thread when he started posting gratuitous promotional materials and wouldn't take Noori's advice. H92 couldn't be bothered to use search function on the forum.
to hassan92, we have utmost respect for Mawlana Ilyas Qadri and other sunni ulemas. Same can't be said for Nazim, Ninowi, Yaqoubi, Habib Jifri, Tahir Jhangvi et al.
What are you talking about a few people from the Indian Subcontinent?
Habib Umar is from Yemen for example. The country has a population of about 24 Million - how many of them sunni? How many of then ulama? Some projections say approx half country is sunni (that includes - according to them najdis)
Karachi alone has an estimated population in 2014 of about 23 million.
i just find it strange that you know all these people and orgs, and yet don't have a clue on tahir and his minhajush shaytan, notwithstanding the fact that you have also been following dabbagh and his group closely (which is quite cozy with tahir)
Brothers you started by saying he is Deobandi now you are saying he had said few words in support of the work of a scholar. I have searched on the thread and found that almost all ulama in UK attended a big conference including Sunni ulama and in Pakistan the organisation representing Sunnis, Sunni ittehad council are with him. I have taken your advice to pursue personal research further. It seems you are against 99% Sunni ulama from west to east based on assumptions from Habib Umar to shaykh Nazim, Shaykh ninowi to
Shaykh yaqoubi. Even here in West Indies many ulama are against Moulana Ilyas as they are from Indian backround like myself and support Sunni Dawate Islami but I do not find anything wrong with Shaykh Ilyas Qadri or Habib Umar. I do not know of you are scholars because to give opinions about such personalities a mufti level knowledge is required. Otherwise you are or will become a tiny minority in the world whilst the the true Sunnis are in majority. It can't be that few people from subcontinent are the only Sunnis and the rest of the world is astray.
Anyhow I thank those who offered sincere advice according to their knowledge. I have nothing further to say.
for someone from the west indies, your english is very pakistaniized.
you have been following dabbagh's group regularly, yet you are not aware of his tours to tahir's minhajush shaytan, nor are you aware of tahir himself!
anyways, now that you have your answers that you wanted from forum members, you might as well take your own advice of meeting dabbagh personally or staying in seclusion like someone else suggested. no one here's gonna be bothered visiting a cheerleader for tahir and giving you feedback, even if you paid them.
what more you want from this thread? you already have all the answers you need. if you feel dabbagh's 'the man', go ahead, sell your property, pick up your life savings, take the next plane to the uk, and embark on your path of sulook.
I do not know what you are saying because recently not Ahmad Dabbagh but members of his group did a tour of West Indies, that is when I was really introduced to the teachings and since I have been following very regularly.
You can check that on their facebook. I do not think you have much more to say. Some brothers have given good suggestions as seclusion or meeting the person personally. When the members came to West Indies, some people from UK did send negative suggestion but the people here had first hand experience with the group, so they did not pay any heed because almost you can find something against everyone on the Internet.
curious and curiouser. i may be wrong but there are some strange coincidences.
hassan92 (H92) joined the forum on 20th Jan, 2015.
his first post was on the 4th of Feb, 2015
he has posted only on the ahmad dabbagh thread.
when he said that he didn't know tahir, i was intrigued. the ip logs show his access as follows.
jan 20, 2015: 18.104.22.168
feb 4, 2015: 22.214.171.124
Country: South Africa
feb 7, 2015: 126.96.36.199
State/Region:London, City of
feb14, 2015 onwards: 42.83.86.x
also feb16, 2015: 42.83.85.x
except feb20, 2015: 188.8.131.52
(between monday-tuesday: 16-17feb, we have hits from azad kashmir and lahore)
even if one is using an anonymiser, the consistency/correlation is somewhat startling.
so i said, let us check what ahmad dabbagh was doing on the these dates.
ahmad dabbagh was in lahore on 15th (and on facebook page there is a lahore event); H92 accesses are from lahore/kashmir
and he left to pakistan on 7th feb (see photos on facebook) and access on that day is from london. [i am not sure whether that is london airport]
oh, btw. on feb4 we have access from south africa, and interestingly dabbagh was in south africa at that time.
wait a minute. on jan20, hassan92 accesses from bangladesh - i am not floating any conspiracy theories, but dabbagh's facebook page shows that he was in bangladesh at that time.
conclusions: H92, though in west-indies is curiously following ahmad dabbagh. it is quite possible that he is unaware.
it is possible that his anonymiser follows the nearest internet connection to the shaykh
it is possible that he is in the same vicinity (showing karamah or the 'pull' towards the shaykh...)
it is possible that he is close to him
it is possible that he is with him
or even is himself without knowing.
...the maqam of fana fi'l shaykh.
Allah ta'ala knows best.
congratulations on your cricket team's 150 run victory against pakistan. you must be very happy and proud.
are you from Guyana or Trinidad? or Barbados or Grenada?
Sorry I have by mistake posted repeatedly. I am from West Indies.
btw, where are you from hassan92? i too am curious.
i'm fascinated at a person such as you who has traveled around 6 countries only to look for a decent shaykh and is even willing to sell his property to travel to serve a genuine shaykh of Ihsan in order to attain wilayah.
you really must tell us where you're from and what's your life story.
this is the kind of stuff Sufi poetry is based on.
Since you have reached such a state where you no longer have any desires left then the best thing for you to do is to act upon the hadith for the fitnah near the end of times (Sahih Muslim 4553.... similar versions can be found in Sahih Bukhari) which goes as
If you die in this state you will definitely reach Allah's proximity.
Considering that you are not related to any of the sub continent countries (considering that you haven't heard of Dr Padri) as well as none of the Arab countries that you mentioned (as brother Abu Hasan pointed out) I presume you must have already adopted seclusion in some distant land (or at least planning to do so).
This is sincere advice as unfortunately we are already living in these times. It doesn't take long for the "scholars" nowadays to change face extremely quickly (especially that we are measuring their scholarly capabilities by their media ranks/fame rather than by taqwa/adherence to shariah)
Good catch by aH. I suspect hassan92 could be just stealth promoting dabbagh.
tahir and his cronies are a SURE CUT alright - a sure cut to hellfire!
no one has any need to go meet this dabbagh if he is a cheerleader for tahir.
asking someone to go and visit him just to check him out and be sure, right after he has been exposed as a dajjal's admirer is like asking someone to take fingerprints from a door handle at murder scene, when the murderer has already confessed to his crime, and handed you the murder weapon.
do a search on the forum if you don't know who tahir is. if you're desi and live in this duniya and are switched on about Islamic matters, it's mind boggling that you don't know who tahir ul padri is.
that would suggest that you are not from any of those countries.
that would suggest that you are not in the UK.
that would suggest that you are not from pakistan. unless there are people in pakistan who can access the internet (which is certainly possible) who haven't heard of dr.tahirul qadri.
is it too much to ask where you are from?
All I can say is you've got a long long way to go yet if you are still unaware of Padri ex Qadiri and all the kufr statements his made, the resulting fatwa against him etc etc... search the forum threads about him, once you get your head around his lies & fitna then turn your attention to contemplating why your favourite guy mr dabbagh is promoting such a Dajjal
I am willing to take any step, even travel to UK or anywhere else. In past I have travelled to Iraq, Syria, YEMEN, Morocco, Quds, Jordan and some other countries and have analysed and followed some Shyookh but have not got anywhere because there was no syestemic path or sulook. This person from your country Ahmad Dabbagh's book and Lectutes on the path of SAYYIDUNA Abdul Aziz Dabbagh are the most comprehensive to date which I found. This is third time I am requesting, please visit this person and then give me your update. Not hearsay things and what the people say. When the person is alive, why not visit him. I have the money to travel but will face difficulty with accommodatin and expenses but if I am sure to benefit then I can sell my property and travel because I have no other desire left other than to reach Allah. I am not looking for short cut but for SURE CUT.