Who is Ahmad Dabbagh?

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  1. hassan92

    hassan92 Banned

    Our beloved Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him even did not call his donkey a donkey but named him ya'foor يعفور and Wadood and others who are using words like "poster boy" "scarred face" and "shaytaan" regarding Shaykh Yaqoobi hafizahullah and Shaykh Dabbagh, I do not think when these posts will presented to Prophet alihisalam, He will be happy that His great grand son who has taught knowledge all his life and now have migrated from Syria to Morocco and still is propagating is called such names because I believe according to a'la Hazrat that our Amaals are presented to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) Once the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) reprimanded another companion for calling Sayyiduna Bilal radiallanhu "son of a black lady"

    This thread is about who Honours the Prophet alihisalam and who is not strict on it. To honour the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) it is also include we honour the dogs of Madeenah. In my opinion if some one says bad things about the dogs of Madeenah whilst knowing in mind they have this connection is also against the adab lets side calling some one from his own ahlul bayt in such a way. According to my research even Ahmad Dabbagh is descendant of Imam of Imams, Hasan Basri Rahimahullah. We should discuss issues and opinions of personalities and not defame their personalities.

    People like Shaykh Yaqoubi, The Habaib of YEMEN, Molana Ilyas Qadri if are not Ahlusunnah and then who on earth are as if you look internationally it is these perople who openly present the teachings of Auliyah and defend ahlussunnah, as far as official records show, facebook, speeches, travelling to different countries and conveying the message of Auliyah I do not think Shaykh Dabbagh is doing less, considering he is youngest among them.

    Brothers I fear we will be harming our own Imaan and respect as one hadith indicates whoever spies and tries to uncover the faults of a believer, Allah will expose him whilst sitting in home. I am not a scholar but just educated wordly but I say those of you who have this attitude see how is your own life, honour and credibility in eyes of your spouses, relatives and local people.

    I will have to pursue my search personally and when I have resources and money I will pay personal visit to Shaykh Yaqoubi, Habayb and Shaykh Dabbagh and then decide who I want to follow in relation to the Path because non
    has provided any credible evidence against these personalities but have exposed themselves, rather.
     
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  2. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    I'm sorry that I asked this question and started this thread. I just wished to know if he from Ahlus Sunna or not.

    @Wadood: Really disappointed in your use of words.
     
  3. hassan92

    hassan92 Banned

    Abu hamza and kattar Sunni are right that wrong beliefs no matter from where and how old they are shoukd be abandoned and the Honour of the Prophets peace be upon them all is utmost importance as a person's iman is connected to it.

    After that the honour of the ahlul bayt, Sahabah, Imams and and Auliyah. Thereafter the honour of ulama and general Muslims. For this reason please read my posts on the thread and also of others and enlighten me because this individual is also a Muslim and I and many others do not want to tarnish honour or reputation of a Muslim as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) mentioned the honour of a Muslum is sacred then Ka'bah or to similar effect. Posters who are criticising and defaming Shaykh Yaqoobi and Ahmad Dabbagh on the thread are not providing any proof, that what they have done or said that you are saying Shaykh yaqoubi's face is scarred in a sychastic manner. I am scared to tarnish or disrespect a Muslim scholar. These people are such that their day and nights activities are obvious and I do not know about the criticisers that maybe they are not even scholars. Most people on the thread are not using their proper names and are using abstract titles but criticise others of using titles for which they have a spiritual or academic reason such as Azhari, Shadhuli, Attari, saqibi , Dabbagh, Jazooli, Rizwi, Ashrafi etc.

    Please read my previous posts as I do not want to repeat them.
     
  4. Abu Hamza

    Abu Hamza Hanafi-Maturidi

    @yasknowz - Or perhaps its not so important to you, you dont seem passionate about it. Allah guide you.
     
  5. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    In that case if someone becomes a Mutazili, and holds their beliefs, tell them to go back to Baghdad 1200 years ago.

    Deobandis are a modern reality that affect people's beliefs and produce terrorism as well.
     
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  6. hassan92

    hassan92 Banned

    Wadood your language is not appropriate
    Regarding a descendant of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, a scholar and an authentic Sufi, Shaykh Muhammad Yaqoobi hafizahullah. I am not his mureed but he is a scholar of AHLUSUNNAH. You using such language are showing your inside and adab. Sitting in the woods and around lakes peacefully has been the tradition of many Sufiyah. What is wrong with it. Even Prophet alihisalam would go and rest in gardens of dates sometimes. You have not provided any proof against Dabbagh rather your post shows you do not have anything concrete. You have done backbiting of Shaykh Yaqoobi by saying his scarred face.

    As far traveling is concerned most of the Auliya travelled for Deen in their lives.
     
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  7. Brother Barry

    Brother Barry Veteran

    @yasknowz

    I've already replied to your warped thoughts... you're really not worth any further replies so I bid u farewell
     
  8. yasknowz

    yasknowz New Member

    from my experience when the ignorant try and defend the honour of sayidina Rasoolullah peace and blessings be upon him it creates more problems then it solves. Leave that to the people of knowledge and hikmah.
    Brother I think you should go back to india if you want to continue your century old feud with the deobandis. People in the uk dont have time for this nonsense. Get with the times
     
  9. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    Are you in the business of taking the easy way out? Yes, to you suluk can come flying with a shaykh and tareeqah at your doorstep. Dont look around for diamonds to glitter your eyes simultaneously! Have some perspective and come out of your laziness. This is the exact thinking of keller mureeds. But even keller knows that it is not appropriate for him to become a poster boy of his tareeqa, so he acts settled with a school in jordan.

    brother, can you really gain suluk from a "sufi tariqah" whose shaykh and members advertise their tareeqa in the hope of gaining mureeds? by travelling around, making connections, using the internet? like Shaykh Yaqoubi, whose mureeds are automatons to whom shaykh yaqoubi edit mod (aqdas) is the most beautiful thing they have ever seen. what kind of a sufi shaykh moves around and advertises himself constantly, with pictures of him sitting peacefully in the lake district, and thus inviting others to come join him to the path of salvation? He is a poster boy. He even adopts a new family name "dabbagh". This is not a settled man. He is using mureeds to have vacations around the world.

    subHanAllah, WHERE IS THE CLARITY OF MINDS? Can't you see? Yes there is harm in keeping a wretched deobandi as a teacher TODAY. He cannot find a Sunni teacher?

    da'wate islami has such tendencies of advertising, but their shaykh doesnt advertise himself like this man, and doesnt travel around building a group and impressing others by sitting on a bench at the corner of the Lake District. This man is a typical punjabi jahil pir.

    How can you make a brochure on SUFISM and SULUK?? His brochures on Sufism look like Harun Yahya's ramblings to me. Is all of that his ilhaam? Where is the seriousness and etiquette/adab?

    Sufism and Suluk is NOT A MANUAL. He ought to be teaching from the works of our Sunni scholars and masters, which he cannot, being jahil. i dont think he is a sufi.
     
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  10. hassan92

    hassan92 Banned

    Totally agree with you Br A Qadir. I apologise to Moriarity as I am of the same opinion which you mentioned regarding fraudsters. Could you do a favour by looking into the individual known as Ahmad Dabbagh and give ME your opnion after reading his books, listening to his Lectutes and his facebook page "ahmad Dabbagh"
     
  11. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Moriarty is not against Sufi orders. he is a Sunni brother who is just against fraudsters and conmen running personality cults under the guise of genuine Sufi orders names. See his excellent contributions on the "cult mind control" thread to see where he's coming from.

    a lot of time the group might not be deobandi or wahabi per se but still it is just a tool to earn money and fame by the shaykh and offers no spiritual or knowledge based advancement to the members. such cults generally focus on keeping the students or mureeds ignorant and dependent on the personalities and all the hoo-haa around their names.

    real Sufi orders and real shaykhs on the other hand will help the student advance in knowledge, practice and understanding of the deen and such changes are visible to the students as well as those around him.

    PS. i'm NOT commenting for or against this Ahmad Dabbagh, be it as a Sunni or wahabi or as a real shaykh or a fraudster or anything. i don't know anything about him, neither have i been following this thread properly.
     
  12. hassan92

    hassan92 Banned

    Sorry Moriarty I did not ask for this input as it seems that you are not in favour of the great spiritual orders of Sufis and maybe you have labelled them as cults.

    I do not want to argue but just, I am in search of a path of Sufiyah which will take me further closer to Allah jalla'wa alaa. I am already convinced that the spritual orders of Ahlu Sunnah are truth like Qaadriyah, Suharwardiyah, Shadhuliyah, Mujaddadiyah etc. So if you
    are disapproving them, I do not need your advice as I have done me research. Now I am in search of selecting one of them. The individual in question has a unparalleled programme of Taxkiyah based on the Shaduliyah Tareeqah particularly of Shaykh Abdul Aziz Dabbagh rahimahullah. It seems you have not even read the book of the individual because in that he states visions and dreams are not the objectives but can be good or bad depending on their nature. The book is called "Journey to the closeness and pleasure of Allah" by Ahmad Dabbagh

    In AQEEDAH I am follower of SCOLARS like Imam Ahmad Rida khan rahimahullah of India. So I will prefer opinions of like minded brothers and sisters who has been posting on the thread.

    All I am after is some evidence that this individual is Salafi, Deobandi or just mainstream Sunni scholar because what I have read in his biography he has not been taught in UK but from his own family elders and in Morocco. Some people say he is student of a person called Allama Khalid Mahmood from Manchester but this is not true because I found out up to this day he has not established a Madrasah or regular classes in UK but just gives dars of Qur'an weekly. How can Ahmad Dabbagh be his student. Even if he was his teacher there is no harm unless he follows his Aqeedah as in Universities we have Christian teachers but that does not mean we accept their Aqeedah.

    Please I request again to my Sunni, Hanafi, Barelvi brothers to enlighten ME and provide some evidence from his books or hundreds of his lectures on the net or recommend another tazkiyah programme of that nature. I am not in the business of just doing Bayah, Halaqah Zikr and eating food, I am after proper sulook and proper teacher who can take me to the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him and to Allah, the Merciful.
     
  13. Moriarty

    Moriarty Veteran

    A group that emphasizes one charismatic leader as possessing something unique in this day and age must be investigated. Are they using deception behind all the fancy videos?

    This is further clothed with 'fanaa do shaykh' (annihilation in shaykh). This can be leveraged to the advantage of a narcissistic personality.
    http://m.youtube.com/?hl=en-GB&gl=GB#/watch?v=vOnrfVvWmpI

    Imagine you were shown this moronic behaviour before joining. You wouldn't have joined. All these groups are guilty of deception and switching the mind off.
     
  14. Moriarty

    Moriarty Veteran

    This is a typical sufi cult like other cults which somehow claim an exclusivity. While these groups may benefit to a degree, like the boys scout, the harm they do is greater.
    They give delusions of non orthodox beliefs.
    Once a person joins these type of groups and advances he will be told that the group has powers and visions. Many of these will not be told at the onset as this will deter people. They are only told once inside.

    This is very unlike orthodox Sunni Islam, where people are told everything from the onset so they make an informed decision. These sufi cults use undue influence. This is unlike the Sunni theologians.

    Once a person is in a tight cap is placed on the mind where a person cannot think outside the group. This is unlike orthodox Sunni Islam where people are given rational arguments to counter heresy.

    These groups can place people in induced states through all night vigils discussing their shaykh and his stories. Or through dancing and breathing claiming it to be dhikr. In hypnotic states people may believe a mystical, mysterious world around the shaykh or the group. This is unlike orthodox Sunni Islam where everything must be based on authority which can be verified.
     
  15. hassan92

    hassan92 Banned



    Please watch the attached link where a professor of Qarawiyeen university is giving view about him.

    In the picture you can see him sitting with one of prominent Sunni figure in Bangladesh national mosque. image.jpg image.jpg

     
  16. hassan92

    hassan92 Banned

  17. hassan92

    hassan92 Banned

    image.jpg image.jpg Masha'Allah brother Barry you are right to be cautious and also your opinion is well balanced compared to others.

    I am also of the same opinion but am caught in catch 22 situation because:

    1. One should avoid doubtful matters, that is why I am cautious about giving a bad opinion about an individual against who all negative views are doubtful because none is backed up by concrete proof directly from the individual. These people who are giving opinions are not known who they are and what credibility they have. I am following the information available like their website, facebook of the individual who's activities of everyday are updated. The prominent Sunni Ulama invite him and he invites them as it can be seen. Just yesterday another prominent and leader of Sunnis in Pakistan the famous Mufti Iqbal Chishti attended one of his programmes and praised him and then he invited Dabbagh for breakfast next morning. Shall I see and consider these Ulama who are the voice of Ahlusunah and Ala Hazrat rahimahullah or consider unknown people on the Internet who even are not disclosing their real identities.

    Lately just look at the post of Hamzahammad who have made a claim of DVD but there is no mention where it is whilst Dabbagh's all activities and literature and DVDs are available from their website. Allegations are nothing without proof as they were made regarding Prophets and pious in the history. If you look at our own maslak only Dawate Islami is labelled non Sunni
    by Sunni Dawate Islami, Peer A Qadir of London is labelled as Shia by some Sunni Ulama, Shaykh Hashmi Mia group is labelled as astray by some Rizwi ulama and vice a versa. Peer Karam shah and his followers are labelled as non Sunnis by Sayyid Irfan shah group etc.

    2. The other predicament is saving ones own Iman from doubtful people but allegations are made against many. I am a simple Sunni Muslim looking for proof because I have listened to this individual and read his book. In my opinion there will be very few programmes of Tazkiyah as he explains and presents but before I go to him to start the wonderful path of the Shadhuliyah and Sayyiduna ABDUL Al Dabbagh Rahimahullah I just want to reassure myself. Even people and scholars from Fez follow him and take instruction from him as facebook record and I'TIKAF documentary shows.

    Brothers please, evidence, proof, proof and proof what I want otherwise i do not want to deprive myself from the only individual I know who represents teachings of Shaykh ABDUL Aziz Dabbagh

     

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  18. hassan92

    hassan92 Banned

    Masha'Allah brother Barry you are right to be cautious and also your opinion is well balanced compared to others.

    I am also of the same opinion but am caught in catch 22 situation because:

    1. One should avoid doubtful matters, that is why I am cautious about giving a bad opinion about an individual against who all negative views are doubtful because none is backed up by concrete proof directly from the individual. These people who are giving opinions are not known who they are and what credibility they have. I am following the information available like their website, facebook of the individual who's activities of everyday are updated. The prominent Sunni Ulama invite him and he invites them as it can be seen. Just yesterday another prominent and leader of Sunnis in Pakistan the famous Mufti Iqbal Chishti attended one of his programmes and praised him and then he invited Dabbagh for breakfast next morning. Shall I see and consider these Ulama who are the voice of Ahlusunah and Ala Hazrat rahimahullah or consider unknown people on the Internet who even are not disclosing their real identities.

    Lately just look at the post of Hamzahammad who have made a claim of DVD but there is no mention where it is whilst Dabbagh's all activities and literature and DVDs are available from their website. Allegations are nothing without proof as they were made regarding Prophets and pious in the history. If you look at our own maslak only Dawate Islami is labelled non Sunni
    by Sunni Dawate Islami, Peer A Qadir of London is labelled as Shia by some Sunni Ulama, Shaykh Hashmi Mia group is labelled as astray by some Rizwi ulama and vice a versa. Peer Karam shah and his followers are labelled as non Sunnis by Sayyid Irfan shah group etc.

    2. The other predicament is saving ones own Iman from doubtful people but allegations are made against many. I am a simple Sunni Muslim looking for proof because I have listened to this individual and read his book. In my opinion there will be very few programmes of Tazkiyah as he explains and presents but before I go to him to start the wonderful path of the Shadhuliyah and Sayyiduna ABDUL Al Dabbagh Rahimahullah I just want to reassure myself. Even people and scholars from Fez follow him and take instruction from him as facebook record and I'TIKAF documentary shows.

    Brothers please, evidence, proof, proof and proof what I want otherwise i do not want to deprive myself from the only individual I know who represents teachings of Shaykh ABDUL Aziz Dabbagh.

     
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  19. Abu Hamza

    Abu Hamza Hanafi-Maturidi

    Subhan'Allah!! I didnt know defending the honour of Sayyiduna Rasul'Allah عليه افضل الصلاة و السلام constitutes as "nonsense", choose your words very carefully, if you dont know about the issue then dont comment!
     
  20. Brother Barry

    Brother Barry Veteran

    Firstly: FYI I'm not from india

    Secondly: This has nothing to do with feuding, my stance is one of precaution for the welfare of my Imaan as I am doubtful of the individual in question so I follow the advice of Rasoolullah (peace be upon him) to avoid that which is doubtful!

    Thirdly: You may deem keeping away from deviants as nonsense, You may deem their insults to Rasoolullah (peace be upon him) as minor things that you can overlook and get chumy with them because for you that was then & this is now.

    However praise be to Allah I don't follow your watered down way of thinking when it comes to who I follow, I would rather follow Ulama who I know to be Ashiq e Rasool with no doubts about their Aqeeda, rather than any individual who there is doubt about in his Aqeeda and position against any group of deviants.

    To be honest I think it was pretty foolish of you to pick out my comments to quote as my position was pretty restrained compared to others.
     
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