Whose Qualities are these?

Through conversation we are getting to the core of the issue, yes. I'm I bad person?

I'll get other opinions

Abu Hassan, Aqib, Inwardreflection and other brothers please reply to my post number 29

 

and this is your agenda.

 

now, you are revealing yourself, and your agenda.

 

Dearest brother, I am asking you to reflect. You say "..no need to take these couplets in absolute meanings" then you cite from similar couplets the principle of exaggerating (lying) upon the Messenger of Allaah SallAllaahu alaihi wa alihi wa sallam.

This is proof they are designed to get victims

 

and I am quoting it to then show the guluw

 

i quoted that to clear your confusion in an earlier post:

 

apprehensive
aprɪˈhɛnsɪv/
adjective

1. 1.
   anxious or fearful that something bad or unpleasant will happen.

May Allaah reward you

Yes I am concerned about guluw and apprehensive (hell fire is hot). Since Shaykh Asrar accused the sufis (a part of us) of Shirk and other Ahlus Sunnah shirk reports, I think it is upon us to be balanced in our religion and take a look at our direction. I believe Ahlus Sunnah is involved in the misguidance of the awaam


Yes brother the translation of end couplet is comforting

 

Perhaps yoy don't know what is your question/confusion.

 

it seems you are concerned about "gulow" or exaggeration. don't be apprehensive.

indeed, you cannot truly praise the Holy Prophet, as is his right. the best of scholars have already said that you can praise the Prophet as much as you can, except calling him "Allah" or "the son of Allah" (like the Christians did for Syeduna Eisa).

Ala Hazrat, the Reviver of Islam, says:-

Ay Raza khud Saahibe Quran hai muddaahe Huzoor,
Tujhse kab mumkin hai phir midhat Rasoolullah ki?
O Raza, the Owner of the Qur’an is Himself the Glorifier of the Prophet!
So how is it possible for you to rightfully praise Allah’s Apostle?

Ala Hazrat uses the word Kareem to explain the unfettered generosity of the Holy Prophet.

Mere kareem se gar qatrah kisi ne maanga,
darya baha diye haiN, durr be-baha diye haiN.
When someone has asked a drop from my generous prophet,
He has given flowing rivers, he has given priceless pearls!

Perhaps the following couplet may dispel your concerns, for he explains that Allah ta'ala is more generous than the Holy Prophet:-

Hum bhikaari woh Kareem, un ka Khudaa Un se fazoon
Aur naa kehna nahee aadat Rasoolullah ki!
We beg from him, the generous, and his God more Magnanimous than him,
And saying “No” to the beggar, is not the habit of Allah’s Apostle!

 

you are talking in riddles - i give up.

 

Brother Abu Hassan has already said ''...on the Divine Name al-Karim, qurtubi says in his al-asna something that is similar to the urdu lines quoted.''

So the door of the Christians is well and truly here

 

that's the opposite of me. I think if it wasn't for the couplets being pushed i wouldn't have a problem with it

 

Is the reality not good enough that we exaggerate? Exaggeration is lying



Is this intentional exaggeration really the policy of ASWJ?

 

There is no problem with kareem. The Prophet is kareem (sallAllahu alaihi wa alihi wa sallam)
The similarity i tried to cite with aalimul ghaib name prohibition was not done to deny kareem but to deny the definition of kareem in the couplet and its application upon the Prophet sallAllahu alaihi wa alihi wa sallam

 

i copied it from net and just noticed that ai'rab is incorrect, it should be qadrihi with kasrah on raa and dhamir haa due to preposition ila (harf jaar)

 

The word "Karim" has also been used for Prophets in the Holy Qur'an, but with the other meaning of 'honorable'

وَلَقَدْ فَتَنَّا قَبْلَهُمْ قَوْمَ فِرْعَوْنَ وَجَاءَهُمْ رَسُولٌ كَرِيمٌ

[Surah Dukhan; 44:17] And before them We indeed tried the people of Firaun, and an Honorable Noble Messenger came to them.

 

no need. just clarifying.

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the banner in itself, imho, is not inappropriate (assuming banner means those urdu lines).

website and campaign - you have a point. it is mimicking worldly campaigns - everyone recites as much durud as they wish and according to the love and khushu' they will get reward. a 100 durud recited with ikhlas and love cannot equal a 100,000 of a person who does it mechanically just to hit the counters. i do not like this kind of 'fund raising' as if someone is in need of those duruud and you have to meet that target.

al-iyadhu billah.

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as for "aalimu'l ghayb" you have cited the reason; and for "karim" - there is no objection. RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam is karim, just as all other anbiya are kareem, as said in the hadith:

yusuf ibn yaqub ibn is'Haq ibn ibrahim alayhimu's salatu wa's salam is al-kareem ibn al-kareem ibn al-kareem ibn al-kareem

bukhari, #3382:

 

there is no need to take these couplets in absolute meanings

imam busri rahimahullah has said

دَعْ ما ادَّعَتْهُ النَّصارَى في نَبيِّهِمِ - وَاحكُمْ بما شِئْتَ مَدْحاً فيهِ واحْتَكِمِ

وَانْسُبْ إِلىَ ذَاتِهِ مَا شِئْتَ مِنْ شَرَف - وَانْسُبْ إِلىَ قَدْرُهُ مَا شِئْتَ مِنْ عِظَمِ

فَإِنَّ فَضْلَ رَسُولِ اللهِ لَيْسَ لَهُ - حَدٌّ فَيُعْرِبُ عَنْهُ نَاطِقٌ بِفَــمِ

Discard what the Christians claim about their Nabi
Then decide and say what you wish in praise of him (Rasulullah Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam)

And attribute towards his personality whatever you wish of excellence
And attribute to his dignified status as mush greatness as you wish

For verily excellence of the Messenger of Allah has no (limits)
Bounds, that a speaker might (be able to ) express with his mouth

(translation is taken from here)

imam mubarrad rahimahullah has said that 'tu'azziruhu' means that you exaggerate in his respect

 

This I found in translation of al amnu

"... Therefore it is Makrooh to call anyone other
than Allah as ‘Ālim al-Ghayb. But there is no harm in saying that so
and so possesses the knowledge of the unseen after Allah has
informed him. This is the second precaution, which the scholars have
mentioned.."

pdf page 238

It is on these lines of thought i am complaining about the inappropriateness of the banner, website and campaign


I also ask for your forgiveness if i have said anything wrong

 

My apologies brothers I realise I have not been very clear. Just for clarity

Basically my concern relates to the contents of this nameless website http://sayyedunakareemun.com/
They are pushing the picture posted in post 2 as the definition of kareem quality of our Prophet sallAllahu alaihi wa alihi wa sallam
There is a summarised banner (6-8ft? high) of the linked page in one of the Mosques I have visited. It is placed in front of the worshippers just off the main front wall




I think;
This is an error, its an ahle kitab error.
These people are trying to misguide us