Qadiyanis are kaafir. They have been declared so worldwide. You have the quality of creating confusion and chaos. initially u make some statement, that many people will not understand. if someone does, u contradict him instead. Do not create confusion. Qadiyanis are kaafir, and have been declared so. if someone says no to this, he himself is Gumrah and kaafir.
does this then mean that you do not have a problem if the outside world calls the places of worships of the qadiyanis as 'mosques'? we are only talking about non-muslims here.
I completely understood his point. To the outside world the Qadiyanis too are considered as Muslims. But I was telling with respect to the pint of view of citizen as to who deemed them as Kaafir.
In holding certain beliefs a gruop is/is not deemed within the fold of Christianity-just as with any religious tradition. Hence, The Church of Latter Day Saints in holding that another Messenger came-Joseph Smith are deemed outside of Christianity-by a Christian consensus... Just as you can not reject the crufixition of Jesus & the blood sacrifice and still be Cristian(There are differing views on The Trinity and you can still be Christian and reject it) You can not be aMulim without accepting The Finality of The Last Prophet Muhammed (upon whom be peace)
Citizen, what is your problem. Either you want to create some sort of a commotion on this forum, or you seriously lack the basic knowledge of Aqidah. For your information. Qadiyanis, consider Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as the Prophet. Thus in this way they reject the "Finality of Prophethood" of Huzoor Sallallahu 'Alayhe Wasallam . They have been called Kaafir by the Entire Ulama-e-Ahl-e-Sunnat wa al-Jama'at. For example Huzoor Ala Hazrat Rahmatullah 'Alayh as well as many Sunni Ulama of Arab-o-Ajam have declared Mirza Ghulam ahmad and his followers (The qadiyanis) Kaafir. Citizen, post something knowledgable. If you debate whether Qadiyanis are Kaafir or not, It is your Imaan which will fall in Danger.
Friend, How can Ahmedi's be within the umbrella of normative Islam when they reject the basic tenet that Prophet Muhammed(upon whom be peace) was the 'hatim'(seal) of The Prophet's & as such there shall be no others after him. They can linguistically spin it as they will-as the Bahai's do vis a vis Baha'ullah but in believing in Miza Ahmed they fall outside of Islam as to do so is to infer that both the Quran & The Holy Prophet were/wrong.The finality of the Prophet was/is absolute. There is no/has been no ambiguity pertaining to it by any Scholar since the onset of Islam. Now the Ahmedi's themslves can believe they are within normative Islam until the cows come home-as I can sit here & believe if my flap my arms long enough I'll start flying...it however is not congruous with reality. If you are sincerely misunderstood of normative Sunni Creed please pick up a text regarding it-may I reccomend 'The Creed of Imam Al Tawawi' By Shiekh Hamza which highlights the basics of normative Creed.
Friend, To answer the initial question of why Ahmedi's refer to thier plaace of worship as mosque is quite simple-to create ambiguity & in so doing mislead people into thinking it is a sect of normative Islam. Citizen; Evey religious tradition has a normative tradition. Islam is very clear in that any person who cliams Prophethood after the Prophet Muhammed(upon whom be peace) is a liar & a false Prophet. There is no difference of opinion on this. In terms of Islamic Creed this is absolute. There are issues in which thier are indeed valid differing opinions. This IS NOT one. Just as Baha'ullah was a false Prophet, Elijah Muhhamed was a false Prophet so was/is The founder of Ahmedi's-atleast the Bahai's do not claim to be Muslim. Though this does not jstify blowing up thier places of worship bt it does mean they are not Muslim by consensus.
And you seem to have totally missed the point about the earlier post. All the different denominations I had mentioned have come from WITHIN christianity, but would you say ALL of them are christians or not?
And who are ALL muslims? Wahabies, Deobandies, Ismailis, Twelver Shias, Brohis, Sunnis, Bralvies, Salafies?
comparing apples to apples would be if you asked if i would label scientologists or budhists as christians? ALL muslims say the qadianis are kafirs.
As a Muslim who would you label as a Christian and who would you say is not a Christian? Whose definition of a Christian would you take to be as your reference point? Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Ethiopian Orthodox, Ethiopian Catholic, Coptic Orthodox, the various Protestant Churches such as the Anglican Church, the Baptists, the Methodists etc. How would you classify the Mormons (Church of Jesus of Latter-Day Saints), and Jehova's Witnesses?
What is wrong with these clowns, or do they deliberately do this to get up the nose of Muslims? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/10195474.stm The entire Muslim ummah deems these people to be kafir and that their places of worship are NOT mosques. Then why do they deliberately insist on calling them as a "faction" or "sect" of Islam and their hellholes as "mosques"? Do they know our deen better than us and are trying to teach us, or is it only to deliberately annoy and offend Muslims? Seriously, this is as blatant as deliberately offending a people gets.
