Woman calling her husband by his name

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  1. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    Not correct, Huzūr Tāj al-Sharīáh clearly have said the tie is religious sign of the Christians and not permissible no matter how common it becomes:

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    Also regarding wearing tie for the sake of a job then here is what they have said regarding this:

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    In fact, not only tie but also the wearing of other garments of English fashion such as trousers and shirts have been said to be impermissible by Huzūr Tāj al-Sharīáh and even wearing garments with the collar.
     
  2. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    We mention our parents by name so that others may recognise whose children we are, this does not mean we go home and start calling them by name though, these are 2 completely different things. Just by mentioning the husband's name does not mean they would address him as such.

    Rather, here is what is mentioned from the women of the Salaf regarding how they addressed their husbands:

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    The wife of Saýīd ibn al-Musayyib said:

    We did not address our husbands except like you address your Princes/Commanders (saying), "May Allah keep you rectified", "May Allah keep you safe".

    Ĥilyatu’l Awliyā’a, 5/198, #317
     
  3. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    However in these times where women have little respect for husbands anymore, especially among the Muslims in the West, then rulings such as these should be made well known. Many rulings in regards to how a woman should be towards her husband are unknown and thus we have the current situation.

    If a woman realises that her husband is not even to be called by his actual name by her then she would think twice before calling him some other disrespectful name or adjective. It is possible he would become seen as similar in rank as her parents, in fact he occupies a higher rank than her parents yet many women fail to realise this.

    I believe in times of disrespect as our own such rulings of respect should be indeed followed and propagated, perhaps this would help the situation of Muslims marriages in these times in which many seem to be coming to a quick end.
     
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  4. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    Okay Jazakallah Khair, would that also extend to the rulings on calling the father by the name and other things specified in the narration of Abu Huraira RadiAllahu Anho?
     
  5. Bazdawi

    Bazdawi Well-Known Member

    i asked 3 mawlanas and they all agreed regarding the fact that - in a place where the urf is that it is not rude or disrespectful for the woman to address the woman by her name, the urf will be taken into account and the woman will not be sinful.

    the entire reason for a woman not being allowed to call her husband by her name is due to it being looked down upon and considered rude in the subcontinent.

    the scholars also mentioned that: there are hadith where the female companions used the names of their husbands.

    may Allah be pleased with them all.
     
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  6. Umar99

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    Even when I was a Salafi I could not wrap my head around how they could do such things
     
  7. Bazdawi

    Bazdawi Well-Known Member

    of course there are āyaat and hadith prohibiting such but the wahabis are blind and therefore cannot see them.
     
  8. Bazdawi

    Bazdawi Well-Known Member

    one thing to note is the illat and sabab for this hadith. the reason and cause for disallowing such is because it is considered disrespectful - IF the custom of a people is that it is not khilaf e adab then would this change a ruling?

    there are many instances when the urf would be taken into account even if there are narrations outwardly disallowing it. and there are also instances when it would not be taken into account. i will try to post some things regarding urf and its different types for my own benefit and the benefit of others.
     
  9. Bazdawi

    Bazdawi Well-Known Member

    jazāk-Allāh - i will ask a scholar regarding whether the urf of a place [where calling a person by his name is not regarded as disrespectful] would be be considered or overlooked.
     
  10. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    We are commanded to respect, honour and treat them with good treatment, calling them by their names would be contrary to this command. We are also commanded to respect and honour the Quran yet we have Wahhabis/Salafis who will place the Quran on the floor next to their feet, raise their feet above the Quran, leave it open when not reading, even throwing juz amma (30th spara) and rolling it up to hit children with it, I have seen all this in a Salafi mosque and when you tell them not to do so they say where in the Quran and Sunnah does it say we cannot do such and such.

    Furthermore there is a narration which speaks against calling one's father by his name:

    حَدَّثَنَا حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو الرَّبِيعِ ، عَنْ إِسْمَاعِيلَ بْنِ زَكَرِيَّا ، قَالَ : حَدَّثَنَا هِشَامُ بْنُ عُرْوَةَ ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ , أَوْ غَيْرِهِ ، أَنَّ أَبَا هُرَيْرَةَ ، " أَبْصَرَ رَجُلَيْنِ ، فَقَالَ لأَحَدِهِمَا : مَا هَذَا مِنْكَ ؟ ، فَقَالَ : أَبِي ، فَقَالَ : لا تُسَمِّهِ بِاسْمِهِ ، وَلا تَمْشِ أَمَامَهُ ، وَلا تَجْلِسْ قَبْلَهُ " .

    الأدب المفرد للبخاري

    بَابُ : لا يُسَمِّي الرَّجُلُ أَبَاه وَلا يَجْلِسُ قبله ، ولا يمشي أمامه

    Hisham bin Urwa رحمة الله عليه narrated that his father رحمة الله عليه or other than him that Abu Hurayrah رضي الله عنه saw two men, so he said to one of them, "Who is this man in relation to you?" He said, "He is my father." He said, "Do not call him by his name, do not walk in front of him, do not sit down before him."

    Al Adab al Mufrad by Imam Bukhari رحمةالله عليه in the Book of: A man should not call his father by his name, and not sit before him and not walk in front of him.

    Source: https://library.islamweb.net/hadith/display_hbook.php?bk_no=141&pid=96413&hid=44

    So this shows that it is not right to call one's father by name and since the mother has more right over the child then this is extended to her also. Furthermore, the rights and rank of the husband over the wife is more than that of the parents.
     
  11. Bazdawi

    Bazdawi Well-Known Member

    is there an ayat or hadith prohibiting such?
     
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  12. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    So if a person is in a place where it is seen as okay to parents by their name as some kuffar do here then it is ok?
     
  13. Bazdawi

    Bazdawi Well-Known Member

    that doesn't prove or disprove anything. he is talking to Pakistanis and answering according to their customs
     
  14. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    http://www.dawateislami.net/gallery/10304
     
  15. Bazdawi

    Bazdawi Well-Known Member

    yes - so if two non-muslims were to convert to islam and then married each other, then i see nothing wrong with the wife calling her husband by his name.
     
  16. Umar99

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    But our urf says that calling someone with authority over you and elder is disrespectful, however in the urf of the Kuffar then even calling one's parents by name is fine and even staring into their eyes etc, our urf differs vastly from that of the Kuffar and many aspects of their urf are completely against Islamic teaching and Muslim culture.
     
  17. Bazdawi

    Bazdawi Well-Known Member

    It is also about the 'urf. if the customary practice and norm of a society deems it to be completely normal and do not view it as a disliked action then why would there be a problem with it?

    the reason it is disliked and therefore discouraged in the subcontinent is because they do not see it as respectful.
     
  18. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    How did you work the first one out? A man can also hit his wife, this doesnt mean she can hit him, the husband has a higher status over the wife and is in a position of authority over her.
     
  19. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    Yes of course, just as one would not address one's parents or any elder by their name then we know that the rank of the husband is geater than that of the parents to a wife to the extent that if anyone were to do sajdah to another human being it would be the wife to the husband.

    Well yes we see that Huzoor Taajush Sharia Rahmatullah Alayh also is of this view and writes as follows in Azharul Fatawa:

    http://www.taajushshariah.com/Fatawa/tie.html

    Well both my grandmothers have never mentioned or called my grandfathers by name.

    Also in Noor ul Irfan Tafseer under Quran 4:34 we find:

    From this verse a few issues emerge:

    1. It is incumbent upon the man to give financial support to the woman.

    2. To take care of the household affairs of the husband is the obligation of the wife.

    3. It is incumbent upon the wife to honour and respect the husband, therefore the wife should not address the husband by his name, nor make him do household chores.

    4. Earning the wealth by the husband, spending of these by the wife, is a means of receiving divine grace: man must not work with the spinning wheel and the wife, after acquiring a degree, should not go out to seek employment. If seeking employment was obligatory upon a woman, it would not have been the duty of the man to be responsible for her financial support

    Important for all women to read and men to inform their womenfolk, don't think many women these days would be happy with the above to be honest.

    English: http://s595909773.online-home.ca/KB/Noor-ul-Arfan(Kanz-ul-Emaan) 1/WQB.pdf

    Urdu: http://www.alahazrat.net/Al-Quran/Kanzul-Iman-With-Noor-ul-Irfan/index.php?page=131
     
  20. hayaa

    hayaa Guest

    I think the meanings of these Hadeeths has to be checked with a scholar. I've never heard an elder call their husband by his name before.
     

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