Yazid's son on hazrat muawiyah

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  1. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    hasanayn's post is calculated to sow misinformation, because most people in our time neither question, nor think.

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    1. is the citation of the speech of muawiyah ibn yazid from sharh sifr al-sa'adah? if so where?

    2. or is it just using hazrat abdu'l Haqq muHaddith dihlawi's name in a blatant attempt to befuddle things and give an impression that somehow hazrat abdu'l Haqq was against hazrat mu'awiyah? what exactly is the point of mentioning his name here?

    3. i know for a fact that the speech of muawiyah ibn yazid is quoted in sawayiq al-muHriqah of ibn hajar al-haytami; and it is this that is quoted in hasanayn's post. [i have pasted the full speech from the same version hasanayn has used.]

    no one will bother if yazid is called for what he is; but hasanayn's grouse is with hazrat muawiyah and this post is just a manifestation of his hatred.

    4. hasanayn's translation:
    maybe i didn't understand the arabic well. where does it say in the speech (cited by hasanayn). here i reproduce it in full, along with haytami's comments.

    fact check: he did not 'refuse' it; he abdicated it. he was khalifah for a few days.

    don't worry, we won't shoot before investigation.

    sawayiq, p601.jpg
     
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  2. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    let us investigate facts later, and even if you assume that ibn hajar al-haytami and shaykh abdu'l haqq dihlawi are quoted correctly, still the shia's argument is absurd and rather stupid.

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    apparently, muawiyah ibn yazid, merely by virtue of being a grandson gets the knowledge of ghayb and knows whether his immediate family member has gone to hellfire!
    which rule is this? that the best witness against anyone is 'his immediate family'? on what basis? moreover, where is the 'witness' part of it? it is just an opinion - because how did muawiyah ibn yazid 'witness' that hazrat muawiyah ibn abi sufyan went to fire?

    so it is his opinion, not witness.

    then, is muawiyah ibn yazid a prophet? nawazuddin shah on our forum cannot accept a sahih hadith coming from the prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam if it does not satisfy his sense of 'correctness', and brazenly rejects ahadith from siHaH - why should any report coming from muawiyah ibn yazid treated without criticism? when he is not even a SaHabi!

    only in the strange school and usul of abdul qadir of walthamstow, a sahabi is considered as a 'weak narrator'. this one goes even further - jarH and rejection of a SaHabi by a non-sahabi! nay, 'witness' that he is in fire. sub'HanAllah.

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    if at all muawiyah ibn yazid said that - he made a grave mistake and injustice by accusing a companion of the Prophet alayhi's salatu wa's salam as having gone in hellfire. al-iyadhu billah. in fact, sunnis are consistent with this principle and we do not say about yazid or even outright kafirs of our time that they have really gone to hellfire. this is ghayb and only Allah ta'ala knows - and by His informing, our Prophet SallAllahu alayhi wa sallam knows. beyond that nobody can say that a certain person is indeed in hell or heaven. wAllahu a'alam wa ilmuhu atam.

    but did he really say it? or is it just hasanayn's fanciful translation?

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    wAllahu a'alam wa ilmuhu atam.
     
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  3. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    adawat, jahalat, khiyanat, shararat...
     
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  4. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    As attached, it is Hasanayn shah.
     

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  5. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    which ignoramus posted this? is this his own research or a cut-n-paste-without-thinking act?
     
  6. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Here's the text:

    The person considered to be the first ḥadīth teacher of students who took the systematic knowledge of hadith to the subcontinent; Imam Ibn Ḥajr al-Haythamī al-Makkī authored the famous book al-Ṣawā`iq al-Muḥriqah in refution of the Shīah. About his weakening of some ḥadīth in the fadā’il of ahl al-bayt in that book, al-Shaykh `abd al-Ḥaq Muhaddith Dehlavī said in sharh sifr al-sa`ādah that ibn ḥajr makki was immensely biased for doing so. However, in that book, strangely, whilst authenticating it, he cites a sermon by the son of yazid whose name was muawiya; which he delivered when he refused to accept the bloodstained caliphate. In that sermon muawiya the son of yazid is very critical of his father and grandfather. Among other things, the following is what he said about his grandfather and father. I am merely quoting so don’t shoot the messenger. The best witness against anyone is his immediate family and here is what he says:---------“My grandfather Mu`āwīya fought unjustly with the rightful Caliph Ali ibn Abi Talib and for that he is burning in his grave for his sins, and my father Yazīd seized the government for which he was not suited and he persecuted the Family of the Noble Prophet صلى الله عليه و اله وسلم for which he is burning in his grave for his sins”
     
  7. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    A shia posted this on his Facebook.
     

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