Zakir Naik Promoting "SHIRK" and "BIDDAH" in Islam!!

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  1. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    Habib 'Ali has thrown Shafi'i fiqh out of the window to appeal to the 'modern' Muslims, in loving them and loving the kuffar.

    It is this love from these 'scholars' that gives support to yusuf islam to play the guitar again. keller's sunnipath approves his playing the guitar too. They use, not surprisingly, Imam al Ghazali raDyAllahu 'anhu as fiqhi evidence of allowing guitar string music [in the Shafi'i madhab??]
  2. sunnistudent

    sunnistudent Veteran

  3. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    I was informed of this verbally from trustworthy people. I am asking them for details. Google isn't very helpful today.

    Perhaps brother Suleiman Al-Muslim can help us.
  4. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    But from these pages it seems that the Sheikhs Al-Bouty and Al-Jifri were actually present at the events:
    Maybe. That is why I said that I was unaware of any differences of opinion although I knew him to hold this opinion, from his Daura-Sahih Bukhari in which he used the words "sometimes the revealation would come to me with a sound like that of ringing bells" as one of the daleels for music being permissible.
  5. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    What are these certain forms brother? Do you have the fatawa with you?

    Even if some scholars are on the board of trustees it by no means mean that they endorse certain types of performances. Most of these organisations use the names of scholars when they are formed (on a vision) and are given blessings by scholars.

    * Tahir is not Sunni so there is no reason to bring him into a discussion regarding Sunni scholars and their different stances.
  6. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    Assalamua'laikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wabarakatuhu. Brother AbdalQadir jazakallah for pointing out my improper statements and my ignorance. I had no inkling of any such fatwa by the Habaib and that's why I asked, " or am I missing something? ". I did not know anyone besides Dr. Tahir Qadri who held this position. Anyways, thanks for enlightening me about this difference of opinion. The reason for my impulsiveness was purely personal which I'll let you know soon. In that last statement the 'Sunnis?' was for the singers and I was'nt doubting the Shuyukh. Jazakallah. Wassalam.
  7. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Waleykum Salam brother Unbeknown.

    I apologize if I hurt a fellow Sunni.

    My comment had nothing to do with Sunnism or lack of it, and you did guess rightly, with the writing style - which I found to be quite impulsive and loaded. I'm not very adept at guessing styles, but I took a guess from what I have seen on this forum. (And I too know that brother Wadood is a fellow Sunni.)

    For someone who's against harshness, this really got to me:

    You're asking leading questions without first even ascertaining if music for nasheeds and so on is even a valid opinion amongst the Ahlus Sunnah, and I'll be honest and say that it is surprising that you didn't come across such an opinion frequenting many forums for many years.

    In any case, yes there are plentiful scholars who say that music accompanied with nasheeds, na3ts, qawwalis, etc. is allowed as at that moment and in such environments, it is not a means of decadence, but rather of uplifting the spirits. The Habaib have issued official fatawa saying certain forms of music accompanied by nasheeds, hadra's etc. are permissible. (I personally follow Ala Hazrat's opinion that it is forbidden.)

    Both sides respect each other. You could have asked if that is allowed from a fiqh pov, instead of jumping the gun with your leading questions, and this just put the cherry on it:

    You might call it harsh again, but "sincere students of knowledge" are patient and do not pass pre-emptive judgments if they do not have the knowledge they are seeking.

    Anyway, hope that settles that, anything else, we can discuss in PM. Again, my apologies.



    In other news, mr. faqeer khan bombarded me with three new emails containing youtube evidence against Barelwis, which in his view, will probably serve as the wikileaks against us - which I will forward to a few brothers by PM. I am not taking up his challenge to post them on here, only 'coz I don't want to derail the thread.
  8. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    Assalamua'laikum. Brother AbdalQadir I'm neither faqeerkhan nor Br. Wadood (I do'nt think br. Wadood needs to resort to such cheap tactics.) I wonder why your 'minimalist' nature could'nt keep you from getting into the 'forensics' of who's hiding behind what username. I am a Sunni Shafi from India, formerly an ardent admirer of Jahil Naik until his " Yazid radhiallahuanhu" gaffe jolted me to my senses, now an even more ardent admirer of Alahazrat(rahimahulla) and of every Barelvi in general, cause I think that in these times of fitan every Saheehul Aqida is a priceless gem. Few years back I had been active on the Marifah forums under the username 'T. . . .' but due to my studies I stopped posting there. If you do'nt mind being a 'maximalist' you can check the posters on there and I'm sure you'll find my 'crazy' posts soon enough. And let me tell you that Marifah forums was one of the cheif catalysts in 'Barelvizing' me and it's therefrom I developed respect for many Arab shuyukh such as Sheikhs Buti and Habib Ali and therefrom I was convinced that Maslake Alahadhrat is haqq .(strange. . . eh ?). I've purposely kept my identity 'Unbeknown' since when brothers like you get a bit harsh I do'nt want it to become an ego issue for me, which it most likely will if I put my actual name out there (you see I'm not THAT strong!). I've great respect for brothers on here : sunnistudent, abu hasan, absalih, nj etc. and faqir, Hamoudeh, irfanibnismail etc. on Marifah. Hope this much info satisfies you and you don't want to check my biodata and ID proof. Now, when I used to see ya all conjecturing about X actually being Y from forum Z I'd think that you must really be adept at analysing writing styles but now that it's happened to me, I know better: It hurts. You'll really scare away sincere students of knowledge if you keep being this harsh. Finally, will you be kind enough to point out the craziness in my post? Wassalam.
  9. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    I got this in my personal email from an id that apparently belongs to faqeer khan, after I posted the above:

    I don't remember giving him my personal email on the forum, or maybe I did mention it on some thread... bleh.

    With the greatest respect to all the brothers, what I find interesting is that he actually thinks random forum people like me and the others on here with brother abu Hasan being our leader - actually have an impact on the "sufi movement".

    This is really flattering and we really must be doing something right, if we're getting up the nose of the "sufi movement" of the sulah kullis. Or maybe, it's just an internet storm in a virtual teacup. In any case, yu3izzu man-yashaa' wa yudhillu man-yahsaa' :)

    As for the INTRA-Barelwi rifts, they exist in the deobandis too, specially with the recent firing of their vice-chancellor or something. I'm really not into the forensics and history and quoting who said/did what, when, where etc. amongst the deobandis. I'm really a minimalist, keep it simple kinda Sunni. All those forensics of who wrote the muhannad and why and what anwar shah kashmiri said in response to whom and so on are better taken care of by other people.

    /*tags Sunnistudent/abu Hasan to highlight the INTRA-deobandi rifts*/

    As for going defunct - it's NOT US who are singing the Burdah alongside the Ayrab and the Russian Sunnis, lobbying the "If Gangohi knew the truth about ibn 3abdul wahhab, he would never have spoken good about him" mantra to the Russians* on the one hand and putting garlands on them on the other hand. It's not us whose elders gave a "milad is bid3ah" fatwa a 100 years back and whose followers now half heartedly participate in milad's not just in the west and Arab worlds but also in India, with political motives. It's not our elders who equated reciting na3ts to "gaana gaana" and now, 'jhakk maar ke', are themselves reciting na3ts. It's not us who pray by tawassul in Yemen and come back and call it haram in India. It's not us who approve of Arab and Turkish ulema's fatawa on istighatha and come back to India and call other Sunnis "qabar pujari" or "mazar ke 3ood-daan" and so on. I think it's well and truly clear who's going defunct, even if only partially and with sinister intentions.

    I also find it interesting how and why he hasn't been able to hang abu Hasan's "academic fraud" out to dry. Surely, it couldn't have been that hard. It's quite simple to do it on the net really - set up a new forum or a blog-site or something and expose the bloody crook. In fact, why didn't he do it while he was a member on here.

    * I request the brothers to paste the url of that page into google translator and see what is said by mr. ibn adam al-kawthari, or just copy the text and translate it.
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  10. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    I really hope you're a new crazy poster Mr./Ms. Unbeknown. It would be really embarrassing if you turn out to be faqeerkhan or wadood perhaps. :)
  11. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    Sheikh Buti, Habib Ali and 'Islamic Music' ?!! And on their Board of Trustees are . . . ! Helloa! Whats the world coming to ? I have utmost respect for the two sheikhs and would never have expected this of them . . What happened to Fiqh and all ? Or am I missing something? Is anyone left out there who has'nt joined the 'Halal/Islamic' music bandwagon? (The motives of whoever doctored that video are apparent from his comments. He's trying to fault a Wahabi for the actions of . . . . er. . Sunnis?)
  12. Miraj Ahmad

    Miraj Ahmad New Member

    If by fake you mean that Zakir Naik had nothing to do with this event, then yes, it's fake. The video is a performance by Native Deen, a US based "Islamic" hip-hop group, at the Mahabba Awards in Abu Dhabi. I assume the two second clip of Naik was edited in by someone with unknown motives.

    Whatever we might think of this sort of thing, the Mahabba awards are not an event that Zakir Naik would ever attend. The programs are supported by a board of trustees that includes Habib Ali, Shaykh Abd al-Hakim Muran, and Dr. Ramadan al-Buti.

    This is the winner for best Arabic song in 2008:

    I can't imagaine Mr. Naik approving of it.
  13. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

  14. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    Can anyone please confirm if its real or fake ?
  15. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

  16. Assalamu Alaikum,
    Zakir Naik is a Ghair Muqallid wahabi.He says that doing Taqleed of Four Imams is Haram in Islam.He states that majority of Muslims are doing SHIRK and BIDDAH.
    But in this video we shall prove that he himself is a promoter of "SHIRK" and "BIDDAH".

    1.In this Video he is Promoting "SHIRK" by kissing the forehead of a SALAFI Wahabi Imam

    2. He promotes BIDDAH by stating that we need more movies like "The Message" i.e. the Movie in which the Great Sahaba (Radiyallahu Anhum) are protrayed by actors and doesn't quote any SAHIH HADITH to prove its permissible.

    3. He says that wearing Western costume in ISLAMIC Gathering is fine but no SAHIH HADITH is quoted in this case also.

    This video has replies by Allama Turab Ul Haq and Mufti Akmal to him.

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