Zubdah at-Tahqiq & Mola Ali RA - Pir Abdul Qadir Sahib

This is all going too far let the scholars deal with the issue between themselves. There is no point in getting emotional about the issue the Ahl al Sunnah wal Jama'ah 's stance is clear.

 

Well Ghulam, it seems as though your just as stupid as your cousin Muhammad Ali. In case you had not noticed the thread is about "tauba" and "MAZALLAH ASTAGFIRULLAH" regarding page 160 of the book.

I thought you'd feel some shame by now about your stupid exposed videos which do not expose anyone but only expose your own stupidity and jahalat.

In fact you have exposed Mashaddi Sahib more than anyone else. Your evil propoganda went in the wrong direction here.

You have made him look bad and lacking knowledge and you should regret that.

As for the question, feel free to open a new topic but what difference would it make anyway? You and your cousin Muhammad Ali are so jahil as you have shown here you cannot comprehend an argument anyway?? You can't even read any of the writings on the topic from any side and to some extent just rely on moulvis shouting their heads off about the topic or giving silly bayans without engaging on any kind of ilmi level.

You have an agenda fueled by two things: ignorant and hate so that pretty much disqualifies you on all accounts.

 

this thread will soon be locked.

 

Abu Fazl why are you dodging the question, please answer according to you are Tafzilis also Sunni?

 

You can go and ask the mureeds around him. I'm not really interested in that debate. If this Mufti Sahib was genuine then he would have challenged for a debate of this issue of afzaliat, not a nara.

But if the Mufti Sahib resembles similar stupidity to yours then I don't know what kind of debate it will be. More like the fitna stunts that you engage in is what is expected.

I think you should take a moment, reflect and think about how stupid you are and how stupid you look on this thread, if not let me remind you:

"MAZALLAH ASTAGFIRULLAH MAZALLAH ASTAGFIRULLAH MAZALLAH ASTAGFIRULLAH

Pir Sayyid Irfan Shah Sahib have said to him that he should repent from this"

 

Abdul Qadir Shah's Party ka Data sb Manazra On 05 May 2011:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28hBBBIZtR4

Mufti Sahib is still waiting for Pir Abdul Qadir to debate him. Mufti Sahib said he will debate him on this slogan and on any topic he wants.

 

Abu Fadl I am not going to waste my time from now on, on you. The reason why is because you haven't replied in the debate topic and have vanished. You haven't replied to many other topocs. You can take your nonsence somewhere else.

 

The fact of the matter is that Muhammad Ali continues to post stupid meaningless threads. I mean he has no idea what he is talking about but makes rubbish "exposed" videos saying Ma'azAllah but to who? Are you saying that to the quote of Imam Ibn Humam? That's what it says on the page. The truth of the matter is that you have probably never even seen page 160 and even if you wanted to do you probably could not as you do not know Urdu!

And in your attempt to make Ulama fight as much as possible you are actually not doing a good service for Mashaddi Shah Sb, in fact you are making him look bad and as if he has no idea about the masala of the kharijis, issuing calls tauba for things he has no knowledge of.

Before making such stupid videos you should at least consult someone before making our Ulama such as Mashaddi Sahib look so bad on the internet. Perhaps if someone made him aware of the masala he would not want that video published on the net and would have preferred to do rujoo?

 

Abu Fazl are Tafilis also Sunni?

 

wow! he REALLY does NOT get it. I have nothing more to add. I am also wasting my time. It's time to move on.

 

The thread actually has nothing to do with yazeed, I only responded to a totally off-topic question.

 

so many years, and i cannot believe that you STILL did not understand the concept. this is in spite of the fact that you are talking about blanket takfir. i don't want to engage with you for it is of little use - you are no better than our old friend faqeerkhan alias abuhussain alias etc. etc. etc.

 

Abu Fazl is Zubdah trying to tell us being a Tafzili means you are still a Sunni?

 

brother Abu Fadl, could you please define who a deobandi is and maybe we can then take it from there?

 

I am not exactly sure what you are alluding to but what's certainly ironic is that certain people who do blanket takfir of deobandis, shias and wahabis refuse to say Yazid is a kafir?

Something does not quite add up there.

 

it is ironic though is it not?

anyway, brother Abu Fadl, could you please define who a deobandi is and maybe we can then take it from there?

 

Is your opinion that all deobandis are kafir or the four (and those that agree with the four)?

 

Ironic, is it not, that Imam al-Ghazzali was chastised for refraining from the takfir of Yazid?

 

No Muhammad Ali it's not about that, I'm just stating the two sides. He takes the position that all wahabis, deobandis and shia are kafir (there are a few others of this view too) and the other argument is that we abstain from blanket takfeer of any group (of the ahl-ul-bida) and that's what the position in Zubdah is.

What the actual statement in Zubdah states, if you read it, is that when scholars have refrained from calling the khawarij kafir then people who do blanket takfir with a barrage of kafir kafir need to restrain their tongues (see video above).

 

Nice to see you adding videos of Qadiyanis on our Sunni Ulema. If you have a problem with Shah Sahib be brave and ring in his program on Ummah Channel!