mark hanson on isis
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Unbeknown
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good. so hanson doesn't like revolutions and says that the ulema have always discouraged it.
shaykh yaquobi should listen to him, after all his father asked him in a dream to give all ijazahs he had to hanson. and according to him hanson is al-faqih al-'azam and a mujaddid for the west.
so he should stop asking the west to arm revolutionaries in syria as that will cause more bloodshed.
wish he had consulted hanson before calling for 'jihad' as he himself has admitted that he was the first person to ask syrians to take up arms against assad.
shaykh yaquobi should listen to him, after all his father asked him in a dream to give all ijazahs he had to hanson. and according to him hanson is al-faqih al-'azam and a mujaddid for the west.
so he should stop asking the west to arm revolutionaries in syria as that will cause more bloodshed.
wish he had consulted hanson before calling for 'jihad' as he himself has admitted that he was the first person to ask syrians to take up arms against assad.
kattarsunni
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In the first clip in the first few minutes he mentions it is important to defend the hounour of the Prophet (sallAllahu a'layhi wasallam), but Hamza would have to reflect on why he would have taught books like Dante's 'Inferno' and recommend it to Muslims?
Wadood
Veteran
Mark is not being truthful. He is misleading people. These people [ IS ] are not the most heinous in Iraq. The most heinous in Iraq are the shia terrorist militias operating under the following names
a) Mahdi Army - Peace Army
b) Badr Corps
c) Asaib ahl al Haq
d) Hezbu Shaytan
..and their western and Iranian helpers responsible for countless crimes against Sunnis of Iraq, entire families. They too behead innocent Sunnis in Iraq without any mercy and more brutally than IS. Most innocent people killed in Iraq are Sunnis at the hands of shia terrorist militias.
IS would not have taken over much of Iraq if it were not for Sunni indifference to them and the sectarian shia terrorists sitting in Baghdad
a) Mahdi Army - Peace Army
b) Badr Corps
c) Asaib ahl al Haq
d) Hezbu Shaytan
..and their western and Iranian helpers responsible for countless crimes against Sunnis of Iraq, entire families. They too behead innocent Sunnis in Iraq without any mercy and more brutally than IS. Most innocent people killed in Iraq are Sunnis at the hands of shia terrorist militias.
IS would not have taken over much of Iraq if it were not for Sunni indifference to them and the sectarian shia terrorists sitting in Baghdad
abu nibras
Staff member
Why does everyone here call Hamza Yusuf as Mark Hanson ? despite differences which I know of well - unlike Keller who still uses that last name, I think it is not okay to refer someone with a name one gave up after coming to islam.
AbdalQadir
time to move along! will check pm's.
the below quotes from his buddhism epistle alone qualify as giving up on Islam itself - except by keller's standards where even explicit blasphemy or riddah is not really riddah until and unless you see the person's intention inside his heart!
mark hanson can dance around the syntax and what he wanted to imply and what the lexical origins of "import" and "theology" are, and all sorts of verbal acrobatics, but what he is saying is very clear - he is saying that Muslims can't say that kafirs will go to hell, and that this is a fundamental article of faith confirmed by many hadith and statements of the companions of the Prophet, 3alaihis salam (wal 3eyadhu billah).
there is no rule that says that it is absolutely impossible to leave Islam after coming to it, wal 3eyadhu billah.
other people can think what they want, but i believe in cases of explicit and open riddah like this below, a mufti or qadhi is not required to call a murtad a murtad. 5 year olds should be taught to do it. if Muslims don't call this riddah as riddah, then deen will go to dogs and we will leave a very deplorable legacy for our coming generations. yes, a new convert who doesn't know the fundamentals can be taught better, but this guy's supposedly a faqih al-a3zdham and a mujaddid.
i believe mark hanson is an enemy of Allah and the Prophet, 3alaihis salam, and a caller to disbelief and the gates of hellfire.
Unbeknown
Senior Moderator
disclaimer: I believe that HY has uttered/written statements which are kufr. But I am cautious about calling him a murtadd. In my opinion there is still ihtimaal since my only source of info about him is the internet. Unless a Mufti I trust issues an explicit fatwa of kufr against him I will withold from calling him a kafir. I refer to him as 'hanson' because it's his surname: HY Hanson and usually converts do maintain their family names. According to wikipedia his wife's name is still Liliana Hanson although sandala only mentions HY. I don't like to use his first name cause I dislike him.
abu nibras
Staff member
HY to me seems unfortunately part of the test of our times; where we are being tested for our iman and allegiance.
Not following or disliking him is fine; it has been clearly shown here where he blunders more than once. May Allah taala protect us all..
However what I don't like and have not liked in general is calling everyone one of these celeb list A-listers zindiq, kafir murtad etc especially if you are not demonstrating anything in your post to warrant such a label.
Your message is drowned in name calling. For the most I cannot go beyond a few lines in certain posts on here for the appelatives used therein.
I still make dua that Allah taala keep us and bring these people to the straight path more so because there are innocent sunnis who follow them. Ameen.
In this case not calling him shaykh or simply hy conveys your stance, for that matter now that you point out, Hanson is also ok of he uses it.
As far as I go, I think AHM HY is better to use for us commoners than Tim Mark....etc
Not following or disliking him is fine; it has been clearly shown here where he blunders more than once. May Allah taala protect us all..
However what I don't like and have not liked in general is calling everyone one of these celeb list A-listers zindiq, kafir murtad etc especially if you are not demonstrating anything in your post to warrant such a label.
Your message is drowned in name calling. For the most I cannot go beyond a few lines in certain posts on here for the appelatives used therein.
I still make dua that Allah taala keep us and bring these people to the straight path more so because there are innocent sunnis who follow them. Ameen.
In this case not calling him shaykh or simply hy conveys your stance, for that matter now that you point out, Hanson is also ok of he uses it.
As far as I go, I think AHM HY is better to use for us commoners than Tim Mark....etc
Wadood
Veteran
Brother, he does not use Hanson.
i was calling him Mark due to following the crowd; from now onwards i will follow your advice. Thank you.
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AbdalQadir
time to move along! will check pm's.
at that 30 min area, he says "one religion, my religion" deridingly
all of the Muslim ummah says "only my religion, Islam, is right". the problems with isis are other than this
it seems he's just cashing in on the isis thingy to push his agenda for perennialism, where he considers christianity as guidance. may Allah take this evil scholar of misguidance away from this world very soon.
all of the Muslim ummah says "only my religion, Islam, is right". the problems with isis are other than this
it seems he's just cashing in on the isis thingy to push his agenda for perennialism, where he considers christianity as guidance. may Allah take this evil scholar of misguidance away from this world very soon.
Unbeknown
Senior Moderator
simile for what HY's speeches are like (or even TQ's): delectable muffins laced with black widow spiders - you're safe only so long because you have no idea which bite may prove fatal.*
Nevertheless, HY need not be part of some grand conspiracy. Maybe he really believes that he is in the right just as Ibn Taymiyyah and his students did. No one, to the best of my knowledge, has accused the original taymiyyan circle of being minions of conspirators working to undermine the foundations of our deen unlike ibn sabah who has been accused of a deliberate attempt to divide the Muslim community, a conspiracy which resulted in the formation of the shi'a sect. Perhaps HY and his ilk are just under a stupor of intellectual elitism.
Allah('azzawajal) knows best.
*black widows are fatal only to the weak — usually to small children, the elderly, or the infirm. so also are HY's speeches, fatal to the layman.
Nevertheless, HY need not be part of some grand conspiracy. Maybe he really believes that he is in the right just as Ibn Taymiyyah and his students did. No one, to the best of my knowledge, has accused the original taymiyyan circle of being minions of conspirators working to undermine the foundations of our deen unlike ibn sabah who has been accused of a deliberate attempt to divide the Muslim community, a conspiracy which resulted in the formation of the shi'a sect. Perhaps HY and his ilk are just under a stupor of intellectual elitism.
Allah('azzawajal) knows best.
*black widows are fatal only to the weak — usually to small children, the elderly, or the infirm. so also are HY's speeches, fatal to the layman.
Wadood
Veteran
@Unbeknown
May be not divide the Muslim community but he did try to reform it due to which mini divisions occurred in the Levant and Egypt.
HY, unlike ibn taymiyya, is not in a Master / Student traditional relationship, because he is not a scholar, and those around him are on an equal status as him. Its a conglomerate of spider webs. No one is on top of another, and they all use Deen as a means of living. HY has been highly unsuccessful as admitted by him in this very speech because he claims to be at square 1 after 30 years of haphazard proselytizing a new Islam with air blown on the spot silly speeches. It seems like he was the cover boy, and now wants to be that again at old age.
HY can never lead a grassroots movement traditional to Islam like ibn taymiyya who engaged in jihad against the akhbari twelvers, nusayris in kesrawan, jabal nusayriya, and Aleppo. He also joined the fight against Mongols. He wasn't afraid of losing his life in the process.
HY, and his web is all about money laundering. Suhaib Webb, Yasir Qadhi, Ninnowy/Mokhtar Maghroui, Siraj Wahhaj all have joined the web.
May be not divide the Muslim community but he did try to reform it due to which mini divisions occurred in the Levant and Egypt.
HY, unlike ibn taymiyya, is not in a Master / Student traditional relationship, because he is not a scholar, and those around him are on an equal status as him. Its a conglomerate of spider webs. No one is on top of another, and they all use Deen as a means of living. HY has been highly unsuccessful as admitted by him in this very speech because he claims to be at square 1 after 30 years of haphazard proselytizing a new Islam with air blown on the spot silly speeches. It seems like he was the cover boy, and now wants to be that again at old age.
HY can never lead a grassroots movement traditional to Islam like ibn taymiyya who engaged in jihad against the akhbari twelvers, nusayris in kesrawan, jabal nusayriya, and Aleppo. He also joined the fight against Mongols. He wasn't afraid of losing his life in the process.
HY, and his web is all about money laundering. Suhaib Webb, Yasir Qadhi, Ninnowy/Mokhtar Maghroui, Siraj Wahhaj all have joined the web.
http://sheikhhamza.com/transcript/Rethinking-Reform
Tariq Ramzan has fallen out with them now.
Bayyah keep's on inventing new organisations after each one fails
Tariq Ramzan has fallen out with them now.
Bayyah keep's on inventing new organisations after each one fails
Wadood
Veteran
It could be because Tariq Ramadan has a different agenda of modernism or progressive Islam too quick for HY and his associates.
Unbeknown
Senior Moderator
you misunderstood me. It has nothing to do with the level of his scholarship or who he actually is but rather what he thinks and believes he is.
There are two categories of misguided people, those who are aware that they are wrong and knowingly conspire to beguile the masses (like abu jahl or the munafiq ibn 'ubayy) and those who think and firmly believe that they are on haqq (like the khariji who martyred the second caliph sayyiduna Umar (radhiAllahuanhu) who, as per talbis-iblis tried his best to not speak a word even when he was tortured because he wanted the shahadah to be the his final words before death. then there are these misguided 'jihadis' who believe that by killing or destroying tombs they will attain jannah - while their handlers higher up in the hierarchy may be well aware of their own misguidance, these youth who actually carry out the 'martyrdom' operations are actually convinced of their own righteousness).
Which of these two categories does HY belong to? Allah('azzawajal) knows best. My point is that he need not belong to the former in order to be hazardous to the iman of the gullible muslim youth.
I agree that this is one possibility.
which 'movement traditional to Islam' did he lead? are you trying to say that he led traditional, orthodox sunnis in the aforesaid military encounters? I ask because he is notorious for his unorthodox doctrines.
abu Hasan
Administrator
khawarij were named for their khuruj against mawla ali; and the khariji who martyred mawla ali (raDiyallahu `anhu) was abd al-RaHman ibn muljam al-muradi (may Allah taala give him what he deserves). whereas the second khalifah sayyiduna umar al-farooq raDiyallahu `anhu was martyred by a persian mushrik.
indeed in talbis iblis of ibn al-jawzi it is mentioned that he didn't utter a word when the (enraged) muslims cut off his hands, but was mortified when someone wanted to cut off his tongue - when asked, he said: "it prevents me from dhikr Allah; and uttering the kalimah before leaving this world".
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when you read the narrations of khawarij in this book, you can easily recognise the wahabi-salafi morons on forums and on battlefields today. may Allah ta'ala protect muslims and deliver us from the evil of these madmen.
abu Hasan
Administrator
abridgement is an euphemism these days for leaving out anything they find disagreeable. you should see albani's abridgement of shamayil sharif.
original: PDF
albani abridged: PDF - try reading this version with its many calibrations (when he mentions sahih near the number, it is the sanad; when he mentions near the matn, it means the matn saHiH with a different sanad and so on). and oh, yes; because of 'mukhtasar' he has the liberty to omit the comments of the author (imam tirmidhi) except what he (albani) thinks are worthy of mention.
have a look at both PDFs, the ordinary (full) version and the abridged, which is so confusing and al-iyadhu billah, a threatening version, that it is difficult to focus, in spite of it being such a beautiful subject. may Allah ta'ala give albani what he deserves, because i think under the guise of 'academic exercise' that vile man wanted people to keep away from shamayil.
paRhe khaak ho jayeN jal jaane wale
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original: PDF
albani abridged: PDF - try reading this version with its many calibrations (when he mentions sahih near the number, it is the sanad; when he mentions near the matn, it means the matn saHiH with a different sanad and so on). and oh, yes; because of 'mukhtasar' he has the liberty to omit the comments of the author (imam tirmidhi) except what he (albani) thinks are worthy of mention.
have a look at both PDFs, the ordinary (full) version and the abridged, which is so confusing and al-iyadhu billah, a threatening version, that it is difficult to focus, in spite of it being such a beautiful subject. may Allah ta'ala give albani what he deserves, because i think under the guise of 'academic exercise' that vile man wanted people to keep away from shamayil.
paRhe khaak ho jayeN jal jaane wale
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