Jumah in england

I have heard that the stance of Imam Ahmed Raza is that Jum'a Salah does not occur in Dar al-Harb but I have not read regarding this.
 
whether UK is dar al-harb?
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this question is pertinent for our times for the following regions:

- communist nations (china, north korea, vietnam)
- democratic western world (us, uk, europe, australia, etc.)
- add any other broader categories

Ala Hazrat identified british-india as Dar Al-Islam - in his times, when the british raj was going on in an un-partitioned subcontinent.

can we call the modern republic of india Dar Al-Islam now?

now, firstly, the territorial boundaries have been redefined. the "india" that Ala Hazrat gave a fatwa for, no longer exists, both by geographical boundaries and by governance. for all practical intents and purposes, modern india, ie bharat ganrajya, is pretty much the anti-thesis of the "Islamic republic of pakistan", that is, for all intents and purposes it is the "hindu republic of india". while i still hold that pakistan is an utterly failed state and a disgrace of a nation-state, an abomination against the collective Muslim populace of the subcontinent, and a more ill-fated anarchic and corrupt jungle than india where more Muslims die at the hands of their brethren than they do in india at the hands of hindu mobs, it also doesn't undo the anti-Muslim sentiment in india both at official and unofficial levels, and we would be fools to deny it. so we need to re-answer this question of dar al-harb in regards to present day india.

i've mentioned communist nations separately than the democratic ones coz of two key differentiating factors - freedom of religion and freedom of expression (in theory at least)

ok, so china's china.

but what about the modern west? yes they do grant freedom to practice Islam (which is now increasingly being infringed upon at various official and unofficial levels), but they are also openly involved in wars against Muslims and support of evil israel. so do they need to be called dar al-harb or something else perhaps?

what implications does it have for rulings pertaining to migrating there and/or staying there for those children of immigrants born there or their convert populations?

long time back, i had read somewhere that prior to Imam Mehdi's zuhoor, other than Makkah and Madinah, the entire planet would become dar al-harb or dar al-kufr, but don't remember very well now. can someone please clarify?
 
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AbdalQadir said:
this question is pertinent for our times for the following regions:
but what about the modern west? yes they do grant freedom to practice Islam (which is now increasingly being infringed upon at various official and unofficial levels), but they are also openly involved in wars against Muslims and support of evil israel. so do they need to be called dar al-harb or something else perhaps?

long time back, i had read somewhere that prior to Imam Mehdi's zuhoor, other than Makkah and Madinah, the entire planet would become dar al-harb or dar al-kufr, but don't remember very well now. can someone please clarify?
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بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

If my understanding serves me right in the west Muslims are able to practice their rukns (pillars), without persicution, so calling such a place harb (at war) is questionable and would require further attention, clarification and explanations. Where Muslims were/are not allowed to practice Islam freely such as parts of china, Thailand, parts of Burma, parts of the Indonesian archipelago, parts of Nigeria and Angola etc then there would be strong. basis to say those places were Dar ul Harb.

Regarding your comments about Dar ul Kufr, this is what I have being toying with for a while, take the 2 attributes, sovereign (sovereignty) and supreme, which according to my understanding (I could be wrong) Islamic history have always been associated with Allah, Allah's power being sovereign over all things and Allahs laws (share3ah) is supreme.

Now in our time and age, every country claims to be a sovereign state and their man made law courts are "supreme", each country has a supreme court (highest court of the land), where the final decisions are given by (in general) corruptible people. These 2 thing are going directly against Allah azza wa jal. In their endeavors to create a God-less society (novus ordo seclorum) they are trying to competing against the Almighty Creator, Allah azza wa jal, so "would you classify such a place as dar ul kufr?


Limanil Mulk Lillahil Wahidul Qahar’ – "it belongs to the ever-dominant One and only Allah.”

may Allah grant us to always be under the sanjak (Flag) of the Prophet sallahu alayhi was salam and in the circle (sohbet) faiz of the ahlullah,...ameen ya rabbi!!
 
Ala Hazrat identified british-india as Dar Al-Islam - in his times, when the british raj was going on in an un-partitioned subcontinent.
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This is because once Islamic Rule has been established and Islam ruled the land then that land becomes Darul Islam. Now it will always remain Darul Islam. This is why Ala Hazrat said this.
 
can you please bring a reference brother? does that apply until Judgment day? or is there a possibility that Dar al-Islam can become dar al-harb when kuffar conquer it or something?
 
The masala of an Islamic town being a condition for the validity of jumu'a is mentioned in Fatawa Ridwiyyah.

This masala concerning jumua and the two eid prayers can be found in "Fatawa Europe" of Mufti Abdul Wajid Al Qadiri

Also some of the following answers are in Urdu and some English:

http://www.jamiaturraza.com/component/option,com_ask/question_id,1669/view,question/


Date: Sunday 26th February 2012 - Language:
Kuch Loog Yahan Sri Lanka me kehte hai ke Ab Sri Lanka Darul Harb nahin raha, kyun ke yaha Musalmano ke liye Insaaf kiya jaata hai, Jaise Misaal bhi dete haike jab court mai case hota hai to Musalman ko uska haq milta hai aur kafir agar galat hai to usko saza milti hai, Huzoor kya ye baat sahi hai ke Sri Lanka is bina pe Darul Harb nahi raha?

http://www.jamiaturraza.com/component/option,com_ask/question_id,2218/view,question/

Date: Sunday 4th September 2011 - Language:
Huzoor mei South Africa se hoo. Meney aapke fatwe ki khabar sooni hai ke South Africa Darul Harb hai. Mujhe aap inki wazaahat farmaaye ke konsi wajah se Darul Harb hai, haalanke yahaa ke Wahaabiyat ulama ka fatwaa hai ke South Africa Darul Harb nahi hai lekin Darul Aman hai. Rehnumaai farmaay.

http://www.jamiaturraza.com/component/option,com_ask/question_id,8972/view,question/

Date: Sunday 27th March 2011 - Language:
HINDUSTAN dar ul harb hay ya Dar ul islam?

http://www.jamiaturraza.com/component/option,com_ask/question_id,8067/view,question/

Date: Sunday 19th September 2010 - Language:
Kuch Ulama farmate hain keh Holland Darul Harb nahin magar Darul Kufr ya Darul Amaan hai? Kya yeh sahih hai? Aur agar sahih to kya ahkaam badal jaate hai?

http://www.jamiaturraza.com/component/option,com_ask/question_id,6767/view,question/

Date: Sunday 28th March 2010 - Language:
Is UK Darul Harb or Darul Islam? Some Ulema say it is Darul Islam as Muslims are freely allowed to practice their religion?

http://www.jamiaturraza.com/component/option,com_ask/question_id,6969/view,question/

Date: Monday 10th May 2010 - Language:
Is Germany Dharul Harb? Do i need to perform Juma prayer or i need to perform zuhr?
 
but if that is the case, how come interest money from non muslims is allowed in india? You can read it here:

http://www.taajushshariah.com/Bank Interest.htm

I also don't understand the last part(one in bolds) properly:

Suppose that South Africa is still Darul Islam. The very rule of your issue remains. As I have said before, (refer to Fatwa on interest) that the condition for a profit to be considered as interest lies when there is a dealing between a Muslim and a Zimmi Kaffir. On the other hand, if there is a dealing between a Muslim and a Harbi Kaffir, it would not be considered as interest, but as profit and it would be legal for a Muslim despite the fact that the dealing takes place in Darul Islam. (http://www.taajushshariah.com/Darul Harb.htm )

so can a muslim receive interest money from a non muslim in india, despite the fact that it is darul Islam?
 
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