Attributing Zamaan, Makaan, Jism and Jihah to Allah

Brother Umar99, you need to ignore these salafis and shun their company; you will have 1000 questions that need answering!

Prophetic advice is to abandon the company of the people of biddah.

Regarding Imam Ashari and the so called book 'Al-Ibaanah' have a look at this link from GF Haddad.

http://www.livingislam.org/ashari_e.html

(Scroll half way down until you find the Title - The Corrupt Text of al-Ash`ari's al-Ibana)
 
Brother Umar99, you need to ignore these salafis and shun their company; you will have 1000 questions that need answering!

Prophetic advice is to abandon the company of the people of biddah.

Regarding Imam Ashari and the so called book 'Al-Ibaanah' have a look at this link from GF Haddad.

http://www.livingislam.org/ashari_e.html

(Scroll half way down until you find the Title - The Corrupt Text of al-Ash`ari's al-Ibana)

I cannot, my parents, family, everyone I know and am around are Salafi, they take me to their friends to explain things to me and this is what they say and I am unable to reply so I ask on here for answers.
 
OK sorry brother, my Bad!

Advice; Try using the 'Search' button, it has a powerful built in search which can find kew words on subjects you may be confused about.

In the other shab e baraat thread you wanted answers for 15th Shabaan fast; I've just done a search and the hadiths can easily be found.

If you've searched and genuinely didn't find an answer, then of course you can ask; it saves a lot of peoples time and effort if we all used the 'Search' function.

Hope that makes sense brother. Forgive me if you feel I've offended you; this advice if for me and then for everyone else who visits.
 
OK sorry brother, my Bad!

Advice; Try using the 'Search' button, it has a powerful built in search which can find kew words on subjects you may be confused about.

In the other shab e baraat thread you wanted answers for 15th Shabaan fast; I've just done a search and the hadiths can easily be found.

If you've searched and genuinely didn't find an answer, then of course you can ask; it saves a lot of peoples time and effort if we all used the 'Search' function.

Hope that makes sense brother. Forgive me if you feel I've offended you; this advice if for me and then for everyone else who visits.

JazakAllah Khair
 
ibn adam deobandi states here the following:

"As for the texts describing Allah to be in the heavens/sky and above His Throne – which are the real point of contention, and apparently go against the above core belief in Allah’s transcendence – one may adopt any of the following positions; and all of them are valid positions and none of them can be considered outright deviation:

a) Consigning their meanings and details completely to the knowledge of Allah. This position, known as tafwid, was chosen by the majority of early scholars (salaf), and by far the best and safest approach.

b) Affirming their literal meanings (tathbit) – with emphatic rejection of a similitude between Allah and His creation – and then consigning the modality (kayfiyya) of such texts to the knowledge of Allah. This position, chosen by scholars such as Imam Ibn Taymiya, can be risky for an average believer.

c) Interpreting such texts figuratively in a manner that befits Allah. This is known as ta’wil, and was chosen by some later scholars.
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He does not realize that affirming the literal meaning and consigning modality is the same as tashbih. In the following paragraph he states that Taqi Usmani has the same position.
 
He does not realize that affirming the literal meaning and consigning modality is the same as tashbih. In the following paragraph he states that Taqi Usmani has the same position.

See here:
"There is a third path which a group of the predecessors took, and al-Hafiz al-Dhahabi, ‘Allamah Ibn Taymiyyah and his student Ibn al-Qayyim (Allah Most High have mercy on them) preferred, and it is that the intended meaning of “finger” is its literal sense (ma’naha l-haqiqiyyah) but it is an attribute of Allah (Most High), is not a limb and is not like the fingers of creation, rather its kayfiyya (modality) is unknown."
 
ibn adam deobandi states here the following:

"As for the texts describing Allah to be in the heavens/sky and above His Throne – which are the real point of contention, and apparently go against the above core belief in Allah’s transcendence – one may adopt any of the following positions; and all of them are valid positions and none of them can be considered outright deviation:

a) Consigning their meanings and details completely to the knowledge of Allah. This position, known as tafwid, was chosen by the majority of early scholars (salaf), and by far the best and safest approach.

b) Affirming their literal meanings (tathbit) – with emphatic rejection of a similitude between Allah and His creation – and then consigning the modality (kayfiyya) of such texts to the knowledge of Allah. This position, chosen by scholars such as Imam Ibn Taymiya, can be risky for an average believer.

c) Interpreting such texts figuratively in a manner that befits Allah. This is known as ta’wil, and was chosen by some later scholars.
"


He does not realize that affirming the literal meaning and consigning modality is the same as tashbih. In the following paragraph he states that Taqi Usmani has the same position.


Astaghfirullah. It's really a shame that many Arab scholars aren't aware of the reality of Deoband. I think these Deobandis are more dangerous than regular Wahhabis.

At least a Wahhabi is open about his belief. But Deobandis claim to be Maturidi, Hanafi, Sufi.

May Allah protect us.
 
He's up for dishing out Christmas presents aswell. That was a reply from him to a question on a post he put up about Christmas. Guy should just get a job at a cathedral or something. Muslims can definitely do without clowns like him.
 

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and people get offended that we harshly refute such juhala.

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though he started well, he fell into sophistry and saying words and words as if they mean something.
and still the guy needs to learn a lot. (appears he been visiting our site).

incredibly stupid and self-contradictory.
 
He did not give any single reference from the aqidah books on his pov- which is certainly a bid'ah, neither did he provide tafaasir of the verses he quoted from the elder scholars.

He said that there is no proof that the aqidah of being everywhere is denied in books, which is totally incorrect; ulama clearly rejected the aqidah of affirming the time and space for Allah Subhanu wa Ta'ala; being above the throne, in the sky, in the heavens, on the earth, or everywhere, all of these words and phrases affirm space.

Also, the rule of something not forbidden applies in fiqh matters, not in the Aqidah, there should be authentic proofs from Quran, Sunnah, and Ijma'a (and rational proof) for something to be accepted as aqidah. He, instead of proclaiming that it is not denied anywhere (which is nevertheless a false statement), should have provided explicit statements from the books (aqidah, tafsir, hadith shuruhat) if fuqaha and mutakallimeen have stated it (that is Allah Ta'ala is present everywhere); is there any quote from early scholars?

as for the Quranic verses and prophetic narrations he quoted, a quick glance over the tafaasir and hadith explanations is enough to reject his deviant belief.

His belief is not only unproven naqlan, but it also has no bases aqlan because it is rationally impossible for anything to be confined in space and to be free from it at the same time (in fact, Allah Ta'ala is exalted from being confined within His creation, and a body cannot be free from space at any time). Where was He Subhanu wa Ta'ala when NOTHING was created? then why does he (tauqir sahib) need to prove that Allah Ta'ala is everywhere? is it wajib upon Him Subhanu wa Ta'la or is it mumkin from Him Subhanu wa Ta'ala to be everywhere? if it is wajib then He Subhanu wa Ta'ala is not mustaghni from His creation, and how did He Subhanu wa Ta'ala exist prior to His creation? and if it is mumkin then you affirm that Allah Ta'ala undergoes changes (al-iy'azu billah).

for us, i.e. ahlussunah wal'jama'ah, it is impossible (mustah'il) for Allah Ta'ala to be present in space or time because it is His creation, and he is mustaghni from everyting.
 
imam sanusi said in his muqaddimat that it is necessary to understand the fundamental principles of this science. these are basic tools.

only fools will attempt to climb a steep clip with sharp and jagged edges, without equipment, without provisions, without shoes even.

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nas'alu Allah al-aafiyah.

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imam sanusi explains this lucidly in his sharh al-muqaddimat.

he pulls up a strawman:
to say "Allah is not here or is not anywhere" then goes against a number of verses of (the) Quran.

who said not 'anywhere'?

we only said that Allah does not exist within His creation as it implies 'dependence'. so where does He exist? He exists beyond space and time.

how? it is here you give the answer: "we do not know how"

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as for the verses of the Qur'an. he did not get the memo. the golden rule concerning all the verses is that such descriptions are idiomatic usage.


how will you answer a hindu who says: "god exists in this idol, because you said He is everywhere. why do you call me a mushrik then?"

 
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Monkey brain has graced us with more of his wisdom

Where is Allah?

The Most High transcends His creation, He is above and beyond all things. This means He does not dwell in space nor have limits nor boundaries, rather Allah is above all of that and free from any resemblance with the creation or in-dwelling in it.

As is indicated by clear evidence, place is created. Allah is however uncreated. Before the creation of the heavens and the Earth there was nothing with Him, He was without space below Him and without space above Him and then He created the throne (creating place). This is what we are taught in a Hadith of Imam at-Tirmidhi's Sunan, Kitab at-Tafsir.

The scholars like Imam al-Bayhaqi also quoted the clear Hadith of Sahih Muslim, the Dua which mentions that there is nothing above Allah nor anything below Him. This same Dua also confirms His being beyond time. Regarding Allah's absolute aboveness there are so many other Ahadith such as the famous Hadith of the slave girl. In fact this doctrine is first and foremost found in the Qur'an, for Allah negates any resemblance between Him and anything else, meaning He cannot be like anything He can create (and He can certainly create any physical form). He also stated that His noble slaves fear Him above them.

The Heresy of Jahm bin Safwan

The Sahabah would even teach each other the Dua of Sahih Muslim to say before going to bed before every night. This was the firm creed of the Salaf.

Then came a man who was a student of a famous heretic who denied Human Choice. This was Jahm bin Safwan. He taught many heresies. He negated the attributes of Allah until it was clear he did not think his creator was anything. He did this evidently due to a desire to avoid falling into Tashbih (assimilating the Creator with His creation), but by doing so he fell into the opposite heresy of Ta'til (negation of the Creator).

He thought to himself, "Allah cannot be with limits and boundaries, therefore he is without limits," and this is correct. But he misunderstood this and took it to mean that the Dhat of Allah continues forever and is everywhere. So he believed his creator was everywhere, present in the creation, immanent.

The like of him today are the fools who in fear of Tashbih say Allah is everywhere without limits. Like Jahm they misinterpret certain unclear verses and in doing so deny other verses including clear ones.

This doctrine is Kufr. Jahm who held it was a Kafir. He was executed.

The Heresy of Muqatil bin Sulayman

Never does one form of misguidance take root, but some ignoramous will come along and attempt to refute it yet in doing so they will go beyond the Qur'an and Sunnah and innovate a misguidance themselves.

There came a commentator of the Qur'an who was also a well known story-teller. Disgusted at the teachings of Jahm bin Safwan, he opposed him and debated him. He believed he was defending the Sunnah, for Ahlus Sunnah used to say, "Allah is above the Throne" and "Allah is above the Heaven".

He therefore took to opposing Jahm's Ta'til, by instead being as explicit as possible in affirmation, till he went to an extreme in it, likening his Creator with his creation. It is even suggested that he fabricated reports to do this - certainly he is not taken from in the field of Hadith. He likened the attributes of Allah to his creation, until some report that he would affirm limbs for his Creator and even skin and blood, all whilst saying that in all of this, "He does not resemble the creation".

He thought to himself, "Allah is above the Throne as the people of knowledge say, His aboveness is explicit in the Quran and Sunnah," and this is correct. But he misunderstood this and took it to mean that the Dhat of Allah is in one particular place spatially confined above the creation. So he believed is creator is in one place, dwelling in the creation, immanent.

The like of him today are the fools who in fear of Ta'til say Allah is in one place with limits/boundaries. And some of them fearing that Ahlus Sunnah might make Takfir of them instead make Tawaqquf, saying the doctrine of the righteous Salaf to negate place for him is impermissible, and that they neither confirm nor deny place for him, like the earlier innovators who said, "neither is the Qur'an created nor uncreated". Like Muqatil they misinterpret the unclear verses and in doing so negate other verses including clear ones.

The doctrine of Muqatil is Kufr. Some of the Salaf wished to kill Muqatil, and evidently according to their view he was a Kafir.

Summary

Some might think regarding these ancient heresies that the Ulama of the past refute at length in their works are the sole preserve of Jahm, Muqatil, Ibn Manda and the like and that there are none of the present period who teach their falsehood. This "Shaykh" Tauqir Ishaq is a perfect example of them being mistaken. Amongst the most ignorant and extreme section of the pseudo-Salafis one also finds explicit Tashbih.

Here is a simple rule to remember:

To believe Allah is in every place is Kufr.
To believe Allah is in one place is Kufr.

The Sunnah is to believe Allah is above and beyond all things, above the Earth, above the Heavens and above the Throne. He is separate from his creation.
The Sunnah is to believe He is not in a place.

We believe in all of the Qur'an and do not make baseless interpretations of the Ayat al-Mutashabihat.

May Allah destroy the Jahmiyyah and the Muqatiliyyah.
 
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