Scholars & Pirs Praying Behind Saudis

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I was previously reading a post on sunnaforum by a brother called moon crescent on sunnaforum (before it went down)

The brother stated that he has seen Khaliphas of Sufi Riyaz Sahib/Sufi Muhammed Aslam Shadpur Sharif, praying behind Saudis and he had spoken to them and then they said its fine to pray behind the Saudis.
Likewise its very well known Sufi Arshad and his maureeds prays behind the Saudis with the intention of praying behind the Prophet peace be upon him him.
Also I have heard about Hafiz Zahid Sahib from Gulhar sharif doing the same and allowing his maureeds.

1) Any brothers heard heard about this?
2) are we allowed to make an intention like that?

Jazakallah
 
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None of those are scholars and therefore do not fit the conditions to guide people.

Sufi orders in the modern age are full of innovation. An educated person cannot take them serious.
 
Musafir said:
Who are the main representatives for kotli Sharif in UK? Don't seem to have any formalised setup in UK?
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Shaykh Muhammad Zahid Sultani doesn't have any representatives as far as I'm aware and neither does he waste his time visiting the West, he mainly associates himself with Arab & Turkish Scholars
 
Ghulam said:
Habib Zahid doing Hadra in Kotli. He is more Arab than the Arabs.
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Shaykh Muhammad Zahid Sultani speaking about the Name of the Prophet ﷺ displayed on Bread in Gulhar Sharif, Kotli


One the Early life of Pir Muhammad Sadiq Naqshbandi Rahimahullah of Gulhar Sharif, Kotli

their father supposedly met the Deobandi Scholar Sayyid Ata Ullah Shah Bukhari

 
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None of the Aslamis mentioned above are scholars, nor was Pir Aslam himself (or any of his kahlifahs as far as I know) nor is Pir Zahid of Kotli. So putting 'scholars' in the heading is misleading, better to put 'ignoramuses' instead.
 
kattarsunni brother,
the Turkish video of Hazrat Shaykh Bahauddin Adil - may Allah give him a long life -- at 2.15 has clearly been dubbed over by a mischievous person with an English song. I don't know why you would post such a clip on a Sunni forum.

There seems to be a lot of criticism of Sunni sheikhs on this forum. We need to be united against Wahhabism etc. not fighting amongst ourselves about minor differences of opinion or hadrah styles of zikr etc.
 
kattarsunni said:
None of those are scholars and therefore do not fit the conditions to guide people.

Sufi orders in the modern age are full of innovation. An educated person cannot take them serious.
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On what basis have you concluded that they are not scholars and do not fit the conditions to guide people?
The ignorance of some people on this forum baffles me.
Pir Zahid from Gulhar sharif is an alim, he has studied in shaam and various other countries. He teaches dars e nizami on a regular basis and gives a 6 hour dars every Wednesday to everyone who gives baya'ah to him outlining aqeedah and modern day fitnas on this topic.
 
Many of the Arab personalities these pirs associate with do not seem to think visiting the west is a waste of time. They seem to be regular in their visits.
 
Rumi786 said:
kattarsunni brother,
the Turkish video of Hazrat Shaykh Bahauddin Adil - may Allah give him a long life -- at 2.15 has clearly been dubbed over by a mischievous person with an English song. I don't know why you would post such a clip on a Sunni forum.

There seems to be a lot of criticism of Sunni sheikhs on this forum. We need to be united against Wahhabism etc. not fighting amongst ourselves about minor differences of opinion or hadrah styles of zikr etc.
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I've not posted any video on this thread.

Modern sufi innovators are the number one reason people turn to Wahabism.

Our disputes with them are due to the danger they pose.
 
ahlusunnah786 said:
On what basis have you concluded that they are not scholars and do not fit the conditions to guide people?
The ignorance of some people on this forum baffles me.
Pir Zahid from Gulhar sharif is an alim, he has studied in shaam and various other countries. He teaches dars e nizami on a regular basis and gives a 6 hour dars every Wednesday to everyone who gives baya'ah to him outlining aqeedah and modern day fitnas on this topic.
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He does not teach and has not studied. That is his nephews who studied. Sons of Haji Pir.
 
Where did the Shaykh graduate in Dars Nizami? Any details about his teachers in pak and shaam? Does the tareeqa have ulama in the UK?
 
Hafiz Ibn Hajar writes after praising mawlid as a good innovation:

The bad innovation is that which opposes it clearly or by its essence. It is that which finishes at prohibition sometimes and dislike at others.

From the first is attribution to a group claiming alTasawwuf. Yet they oppose that which the shaykhs of alTasawwuf were upon from abstinence, piety and other famous perfections of theirs.

Many of these claimants allow everything and do not prohibit the haram because of the deception of Satan upon them regarding their ugly state.
They are more deserving of the name of transgression and disbelief than alTasawwuf and poverty. (See Hafiz Ibn Hajars alFath alMubin)
 
kattarsunni said:
He does not teach and has not studied. That is his nephews who studied. Sons of Haji Pir.
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kattarsunni said:
He does not teach and has not studied. That is his nephews who studied. Sons of Haji Pir.
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He does teach on a regular basis at gulhar sharif. And has studied from a young age. Many of the ulama from pakistan and uk regard him as a scholar including mufti muneeb ur rahman, mufti monawar, pir saqib, shaykh asrar to name a few
 
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