My sloppiness that I can't check my own post number. I don't need a certificate of honesty from anybody, Allah is the witness. Come to the point and shed some light on the fatwa background.
Again? Brother, its not about your being sloppy( twice) in quoting post number. It is about your attributing me the complaint about " post order". It is simply not there in any of my post. Please look carefully. Its not there.
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Shame
1)Lets not pass fatwa here, unless we are certified Muftis! People didn't notice the difference between the fatwa quoted in the istifta of Obaidullah Azmi and the one uploaded by inquisitive.They didn't notice the over writing/ tahreef, in the fatwa uploaded by inquisitive. There are other shortcomings in the fatwa uploaded by inquisitive, which in sha Allah we will discuss later. Remember Obaidullah Khan is still alive.
2) Those who are analyzing the kufr present in the speech of Obaidullah Azmi, should ask a simple question to themselves, why did those who issued the fatwa of kufr, pinpoint only one kufriya sentence? As per people on this thread, there are "many" kufriya statement present in the speech of Obaidullah Azmi. So why did they mention just one? We will discuss each and every point raised concerning those "kufr", later in sha Allah. As of now it is clear that these words were said by Obaidullah Khan. We wait for a specific fatwa of Kufr on Obaidullah Khan. Wanna be muftis should read about the difference between the two cases.
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Now I will start discussion concerning the fatwa uploaded by Inquisitive.
Inquisitive uploaded a fatwa of Kufr upon an individual and said:
Post No 4
The signature of Mufti Akhtar Rida is on this
Post No 10
Yes. I can vouch for this with my life - that Taaj al-Shariat has signed the Fatwa.
Post No 25
Abu Hasan, I don't think you are aware of what is happening in India. If this was a one off case, it would be excusable but this is a recurring thing. I know for certain that Mufti Nizam has heard the entire speech of obaidullah.
Post No 36
My teacher said wonderfully - 'Think twice before issuing a fatwa but think 10 times before signing someone elses! Why put yourself in deep water for someone elses mistake?'
Post No 46
It's better not to go off topic but my final word being that, to judge such books and articles, you have to have knowledge of background events otherwise things will seem skewed.
Post No 56
Some People even removed Taaj al-Shariats name from some images
Post No 57
In one it says "Tareef Karna" and in another it says "Izzat Dena".Nevertheless, don't think it makes a big difference.
Post No 69
One version was never meant to be uploaded and the other version was changed with the consent of all the Muftis. They chose to use a word similar to Fatwa e Ridawaiyya, instead of a synonym.The correct one is the one with Taajush Shariahs signature.You can't blame the Muftis for someone uploading it before permission.
A couple of Noori's post. His other posts will be highlighted as and when required, unless our brother uses his moderation right and makes changes later.
Noori's post
Post No 28
mufti nizam sahab should clearly state whether he has listened to uka's speech in full or not?
Compare this with post no 25 by inquisitive.
Post No 97
if you know something then don't play hide and seek game, and post it honestly in full
Post No 104
by putting the two versions side by side i can easily tell that right side image is the first version. there is no pen editing and, there is no signature of hazrat taj'ush shari'ah; whereas on the left side copy the same paper has folding signs on it and pen editing with taj'ush shariah's signature (if it is his signature). assuming that the signature on the left copy is indeed by taj'ush shari'ah, then it is quite possible that before signing the copy he might have asked to correct fatawa razawiyyah quote.
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Noori, would you be kind enough to answer these questions?
1) The fatwa was uploaded by inquisitive. Then why are you not asking him about the detail story of this fatwa? Why are accusing me of playing hide and seek game?
2) A fatwa was uploaded on a web forum, which you are moderating. You do not have minimum qualification to compare that fatwa with the reference it contains, then why do you discuss this issue?
3) Now that we have seen ( and you have agreed) that there is a tampering in the fatwa, why are you "assuming" things? Why ' ifs' and "might"? Don't you know that the basic necessity is to inquire about the authenticity of the fatwa?
Open Request to Noori and all those who have actively participated in this thread.
Please tell me the true story as to how the fatwa changed ? What ever story you will tell me , I am going to accept it, but please make sure that it is a correct one ( verified from inquisitive , because he is the one who uploaded it ) . Please tell me , when was the first fatwa signed ? When was it found that the reference to fatwa ridawiya is wrong? Who found the mistake? Who corrected it and when did Tajusshariah sign it?
Please remember if you all are sincere ( Abu Hasan,unbeknown, aqib , chisti raza ) then, tell me these simple things about this fatwa. Why are you all not asking inquisitive? I assure you that whatever story you are going to tell me regarding how the fatwa changed from version 1 to version 2, I will accept. Just make sure, you stick to it. Tell me the entire process of how fatwa changed ?
Academic discussion
After the above query regarding fatwa is answered, we will move to the academic discussion about the fatwa. Unfortunately, people do not know the difference "tareef karna and izaat dena" , people do not know the difference between " sareeh kufr and kalma e kufr" and want to be mufti here. More interestingly, Unbeknown and Aqib sahab are quoting " Tahseen" text from Fatwa Ridawiya and making their decisions. In sha Allah, we will discuss all this and I hope no one leaves this thread.
