Indian Muslims vs Pakistani Muslims

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That's where I am getting confused can you plz explain that we are aallowed or not to do friendship with non Muslims.

I thought my previous post was clear enough; anyway, it is not allowed to be "friends" with disbelievers.

مُّحَمَّدٌ رَّسُولُ اللَّهِ ۚ وَالَّذِينَ مَعَهُ أَشِدَّاءُ عَلَى الْكُفَّارِ رُحَمَاءُ بَيْنَهُمْ ۖ

Mohammed (peace and blessings be upon him) is the Noble Messenger of Allah; and his companions are stern with the disbelievers and merciful among themselves (Surah Fath: 48:29).

I suggest you read the book TAHFEEZ UL IMAAN (in English)
 
Brother Ghulam e Mustafa: These (and others) were brother Wadood's words - in what he thought was "praise" of Keralite Muslims (which I made bold and italics) - whereas they contained offensive words. So my comments to him were actually in support of Keralite Muslims, NOT against them.

Now coming to the particular phrase that you chose to pick (while leaving out other openly offensive ones); brother Wadood should not have written "excellent relations with ...." for that is against the teachings of the Holy Qur'an (see reference Surah Mujadelah given below) and that of our Master the Holy Prophet (Allah's blessings and peace be upon him). I know very well that Keralites are mild mannered, peace loving and live in harmony with others. So brother Wadood should have written something like "The Keralite Muslims live in peace and harmony even with christian and hindu countrymen." It is easy to spot the difference.

لَّا تَجِدُ قَوْمًا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ يُوَادُّونَ مَنْ حَادَّ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَلَوْ كَانُوا آبَاءَهُمْ أَوْ أَبْنَاءَهُمْ أَوْ إِخْوَانَهُمْ أَوْ عَشِيرَتَهُمْ ۚ أُولَٰئِكَ كَتَبَ فِي قُلُوبِهِمُ الْإِيمَانَ وَأَيَّدَهُم بِرُوحٍ مِّنْهُ ۖ وَيُدْخِلُهُمْ جَنَّاتٍ تَجْرِي مِن تَحْتِهَا الْأَنْهَارُ خَالِدِينَ فِيهَا ۚ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ وَرَضُوا عَنْهُ ۚ أُولَٰئِكَ حِزْبُ اللَّهِ ۚ أَلَا إِنَّ حِزْبَ اللَّهِ هُمُ الْمُفْلِحُونَ

You will not find the people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, befriending those who oppose Allah and His Noble Messenger, even if they are their fathers or their sons or their brothers or their tribesmen; it is these upon whose hearts Allah has ingrained faith, and has aided them with a Spirit from Himself; and He will admit them into Gardens beneath which rivers flow, abiding in them forever; Allah is pleased with them, and they are pleased with Him; this is Allah’s group; pay heed! Indeed it is Allah’s group who are the successful. (Surah Mujadelah - 58:22)


i have to defend my self because i have shame and ghayrah. so listen please brother. Before you jump to conlcusions, it might be better to ask what i meant by "excellent relations with..." .

your argument in support of keralites is a twist by you.
 
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I thought my previous post was clear enough; anyway, it is not allowed to be "friends" with disbelievers.

مُّحَمَّدٌ رَّسُولُ اللَّهِ ۚ وَالَّذِينَ مَعَهُ أَشِدَّاءُ عَلَى الْكُفَّارِ رُحَمَاءُ بَيْنَهُمْ ۖ

Mohammed (peace and blessings be upon him) is the Noble Messenger of Allah; and his companions are stern with the disbelievers and merciful among themselves (Surah Fath: 48:29).

I suggest you read the book TAHFEEZ UL IMAAN (in English)

who in this thread is asking for Muslims to be "friends" with Disbelievers ?? me ?? i dont think so.

The English translation from the Ayah Kareema above uses the word "stern".


"stern" means


adjective, sterner, sternest.
1.
firm, strict, or uncompromising:
stern discipline.
2.
hard, harsh, or severe:
a stern reprimand.
3.
rigorous or austere; of an unpleasantly serious character:
stern times.
4.
grim or forbidding in aspect:
a stern face.


i think it is a very apt word to use when Muslims deal with Disbelievers.
 
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@Wadood that talk is specifically in the context of proselytizing that call people to Islam/Sunniyat with good manners.

of course in this day and age, merely correcting a mistake or disagreeing with the status quo or stating the politically incorrect obvious is considered bad adab by the enlightened "Muslims" of the west, much more than the kafirs. there's a different hikmah to deal with that.
 
who in this thread is asking for Muslims to be "friends" with Disbelievers ?? me ?? i dont think so
I don't think anyone accused you of that, brother Wadood.

...i think it is a very apt word to use when Muslims deal with Disbelievers.
Fine, we are all on the same page.

i have to defend my self because i have shame and ghayrah. so listen please brother. Before you jump to conlcusions, it might be better to ask what i meant by "excellent relations with..." ..
that is why, in my reply to brother Ghulam I wrote that brother Wadood should have written "the Keralite Muslims live in peace and harmony...." . It would have been unambiguous.

PS: i am NOT from Kerala.

your argument in support of keralites is a twist by you.
No it ain't. I did find the words used by you as offensive, and not describing the Keralite Muslims in proper light. And you have already acknowledged your slip. so there is no point in just dragging this further.

@Ghulam e Mustafa
Shaykh Ilyas 'Attari Qadiri on how to deal with non-Muslims in Islam, because we are a missionary people
surely, having a lofty character is one of the best ornaments of a Muslim, whether he is a missionary or not.
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I think all of us are on the same page, and have well understood these simple things.
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before anyone thinks that this is a "personal spat" between forum members, I suggest that the mods pin this thread.
 
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