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You may have come across arguments, articles, and fb posts by several deobandi scholars [1] that they have nothing to do with Wahhabism and Salafism. This argument is just a bait to lure sunnis into their trap. It is true that Deobandis disagree on some points with Wahhabis and Salafis just like Salafis have several splinter sects (Madhkhalis, Haddadis, Qutbis, Ikhwanis, Yasir Qadhi, Hatim Awni, et cetera)
Deobandis, Wahhabis, Salafis and various strands of mutations all agree and have a common theme, which is their claim of Shirk, Bidah and Kufr. This post is about Deobandis and Tablighi Jamaat. Here I will show you some examples to prove my argument. I am also ready for a debate with any of the Deobandi Molwis either live debate, paltalk, forums, message or through email.
The beliefs of Sayyid Muhammad Alawi al-Maliki al-Shadhilli
Sayyid Muhammad Alawi al-Maliki needs no introduction. His biography is posted everywhere as well as his beliefs. There is no difference between his beliefs and sunni beliefs which are:
1. Isthighatha through Prophets, Awliya and Salihin
2. Building structures over graves
3. Various Sufi practices such as Hadra
Now, if Deobandis were not wahabis or salafis then they would have no objection labeling the above 1-3 as shirk, kufr and bidah.
Here is the proof that Deobandis label the above as Shirk, Bidah, and Kufr.
If you want to verify yourself what Deobandis have written you can see here
Like any other heretic sects, who engage in treason, lies, deception and manipulation, please save all the posts for future references. You can never trust heretics, they delete, hide posts and even delete the whole websites. [2]
This what Saad Khan, wrote
Question goes these Deobandis [3] who have taken Ijaza from Shaykh Sayyid Muhammad Alawi al-Maliki, how dare you don't follow your elders or were your elders wrong ?
Notes
[1] Zameelur Rahman aka Muzammil Husayn, Mohammad Yasir "al-Hanafi" al-Deobandi, Abul Hasan Hussain Ahmed, Deobandi "Hanafi" Fiqh Channel Molwis, et cetera
[2] Please see the other post: The deception of Deobandis
[3] Please see point #1
You may have come across arguments, articles, and fb posts by several deobandi scholars [1] that they have nothing to do with Wahhabism and Salafism. This argument is just a bait to lure sunnis into their trap. It is true that Deobandis disagree on some points with Wahhabis and Salafis just like Salafis have several splinter sects (Madhkhalis, Haddadis, Qutbis, Ikhwanis, Yasir Qadhi, Hatim Awni, et cetera)
Deobandis, Wahhabis, Salafis and various strands of mutations all agree and have a common theme, which is their claim of Shirk, Bidah and Kufr. This post is about Deobandis and Tablighi Jamaat. Here I will show you some examples to prove my argument. I am also ready for a debate with any of the Deobandi Molwis either live debate, paltalk, forums, message or through email.
The beliefs of Sayyid Muhammad Alawi al-Maliki al-Shadhilli
Sayyid Muhammad Alawi al-Maliki needs no introduction. His biography is posted everywhere as well as his beliefs. There is no difference between his beliefs and sunni beliefs which are:
1. Isthighatha through Prophets, Awliya and Salihin
2. Building structures over graves
3. Various Sufi practices such as Hadra
Now, if Deobandis were not wahabis or salafis then they would have no objection labeling the above 1-3 as shirk, kufr and bidah.
Here is the proof that Deobandis label the above as Shirk, Bidah, and Kufr.
The above was taken from this site
If you want to verify yourself what Deobandis have written you can see here
Like any other heretic sects, who engage in treason, lies, deception and manipulation, please save all the posts for future references. You can never trust heretics, they delete, hide posts and even delete the whole websites. [2]
This what Saad Khan, wrote
Assalam o 'alaykum,
Hafiz Safaraz Hassan Khan - ustad at Jamia Madania Bahawalpur, grandson of Imam Ahl al-Sunnah ‘Allamah Sarfaraz Khan Safdar (may Allah have mercy on him) writes,
"It is known to all that my grandfather (may Allah have mercy upon him) used to have strong attachment and association with the maslak of Ahl al-Sunnah wa al-Jama’ah. He did not tolerate minor flexibility in this regard and was a perfect embodiment of “la yakhafuna laumata layim” (who do not fear the accusation of the accusers). An Arab from Makkah, Muhammad bin 'Alawi Maliki Sahib (who is by maslak a Barelwi), wrote two books namely Al-Zakhayir al-Muhammadiyyah and Hawl al-Ihtifal bi Zikra Mawlid al-Nabwi al-Sharif. Many of the contents of these books were objected by Shaykh Abd Allah bin Sulayman bin Mani’, member of Ulama Board of Saudi Arabia and Qadhi of Makkah Mukarramah, and he published a book in his refutation in 1403 named Hiwar ma’a al-Maliki fi rad Munkaratihi wa Dhalalatih. After the publication of the book, when the supporters of Alawi published Islah-i-Mafahim the Urdu version of Mafahim Yajibu an Tusahhah, it struck the Ahl Haq that the innovations (bid’ahs) and polytheism (shirk) is presented as pure religion. So, the elder scholars raised objections and warned the people in their articles, fatawas and letters against it that ‘Islah-i-Mafahim’ is a collection of beliefs and practices based on polytheism and bid’ah which was cunningly labeled with tawhid and sunnah. As per his custom and taste, my grandfather sided with haq and the Ahl Haq and distanced himself from Islah-i-Mafahim and other false ideas mentioned in the books of Alawi. Once I asked him about Alawi Maliki Sahib, he said: 'I have the same views which Hadhrat Qadi [‘Qaid Ahl al-Sunnah‘Allamah Qadi Mazhar Hussain, khalifa mujaz of Shaykh al-Islam Mawlana Madani, may Allah have mercy on them] had.' Then, I read for him a treatise of Dr. Mufti Abd al-Wahid (Mufti of Jamia Madaniyyah, Lahore) namelyMuhammad Alawi Maliki kay ‘Aqaid unki Tahrirat kay Ayine main [Beliefs of Muhammad Alawi Maliki in the light of his works]. Having listened some texts, he spoke out: 'He is more bid’ati than Ahmad Raza Khan Barelwi'.
'Ulama of Deoband warned against some of his books in particular Mafahim. Many scholars of Ahl al-Sunnah wal Jamah Deoband wrote refutation of numerous 'aqaid and masa'il in Mafahim. All that was published together in a book called Tahqiqi Nazar. This book was compiled by Mufti Muhammad Abu Bakr Alawi, a graduate of Dar al-Ulum Karachi, at the instructions of Mawlana Muhammad Ismail Badat Madani, khalifa of Shaykh al-Hadith Mawlana Zakariyya (may Allah have mercy on him). It was published by Madrassah Khuddam Ahl al-Sunnat, Lahore.
‘Ulama of Deoband wrote detailed refutation of ‘aqiad of Muhammad Alawi Maliki mentioned in Mafahim and his other books; declared him mubtadi and outside the fold of Ahl al-Sunnah wal-Jamah because of the beliefs he promoted in his books.
Those scholars who wrote detailed rebuttal include:
1. ‘Allamah Qadi Mazhar Hussain, Chakwal.
2. Shaykh Muhammad Yusuf Ludhianwi Shahid, Karachi.
3. Mufti Sayyid Abd al-Shakur Tirmidhi, Sargodha.
4. Mufti Abd al-Sattar, Khayr al-Madaris Multan.
5. Dr. Mufti Abd al-Wahid, Lahore.
After Mufti 'Abd al-Sattar, head of Majlis Tahqiqati Islami Pakistan (Islamic Research Academy), wrote refutation of Muhammad Alwi Maliki following scholars signed the document and fully agreed with Mufti 'Abd al-Sattar.
1. Mufti Jamil Ahmad Thanwi, Jamia Ashrafiyyah Lahore
2. Mufti Taqi Usmani, Karachi.
3. Mufti Rafi Usmani, Karachi.
4. Dr. ‘Allamah Khalid Mahmud, U.K.
5. Shaykh Sayyid Nafis Shah al-Hussaini, Lahore.
6. Mawlana Amin Safdar Okarwi, Khayr al-Madaris Multan.
7. 'Allamah Abd al-Qayyum Haqqani, Dar al-Ulum Haqqania Akora Khattak.
8. Mufti Sher Muhammad Alawi, Jamia Ashrafiyya Lahore.
9. Mawlana Ashiq Ilhaqi Bulandshahri, Madina.
10. Mufti Muhammad Farid, Akora Khattak.
11. Mawlana Muhammad Ismail Badat Madani, Madina.
12. Mufti Nazir Ahmad, Jamia Imdadiyya Faisalabad.
13. Mufti Abd al-Salam Chatgami, Banuri Town Karachi.
14. Mawlana Muhammad Akbar, Qasim al-Ulum Multan.
15. Mawlana Faidh Ahmad, Qasim al-Ulum Multan.
16. Mawlana Abd al-Ghani, Jamia Madania Lahore.
17. Mawlana Jamal Ahmad, Dar al-Ulum Faisalabad.
18. Mawlana Javed Hussain Shah.
Fatwa of Mawlana Ludhianwi on Muhammad Alawi Maliki.
Some people had spread a rumor that Mawlana Ludhianwi have given bayah to Muhammad Alawi Maliki. At this Mawlana Ludhianwi wrote that I have never seen the face of Muhammad Alawi Maliki nor do I ever want to. I still consider him a mubtadi.
Some of the isses that 'ulama of Deoband refuted Muhammad Alawi Maliki for:
1. Belief that it's permissible to call those in graves for help and when called upon they do tasarruf and help us. Making dua to the creation and asking them for things that are above the means (ma fawq al-asbab) is permissible.
2. Holy Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) is hazir nazir or in other words witnessing and aware of every single thing that goes on anywhere in the World at all times.
3. Holy Messenger has complete knowledge of 5 things including exact time of the Hour; Holy Messenger has been given complete (kul) knowledge of unseen from the first day till the last.
4. Belief that the keys of the World and Heavens have been delegated to the Holy Prophet.
5. Authority to give Paradise, Hell and distribute rizq (sustenance) has been given to the Holy Prophet.
6. It is permissible to take oath by the name of Holy Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace).
7. Doing batil interpretation Qur'an and ahadith.
8. Discussion on miracles, khalaq and kasab.
9. Using weak ahadith in the matters of ‘aqaid and fiqh. Bringing forth proofs that have nothing to do with the claim thus causing confusing and deceiving the laymen.
10. It is a polytheistic thinking to refer to Prophets as only bashars (humans)!
There are many other fiqhi issues discussed in the book Tahqiqi Nazar by these scholars. Please refer to that book for complete refutation and discussion.
assalam o alaykum,
Muhammad Alawi Maliki wrote these books after the death of Mufti Muhammad Shafi and Shaykh al-Hadith Mawlana Zakariyya (may Allah have mercy on them).
Did you know that Mawlana Yusuf Ludhianwi, Mufti Abd al-Sattar, Mawlana Ismail Badat are khalifas of Shaykh al-Hadith? They know their shaykh better than me or you.
Did you know that Mufti Abd al-Shakur Tirmidhi was a khalifa of Mufti Muhammad Shafi? I am sure you were not aware. Regardless of the relations he wrote refutation of Muhammad Alawi Maliki.
Mufti Taqi and Mufti Rafi both signed the refutation written by Mufti Abd al-Sattar and contacts of Muhammad Alawi Maliki with their father didn't stop them from doing so.
What you have posted means nothing in front of beliefs.
Assalam o alaykum,
Did you know that some of Deobandi 'ulama signed the book Mafahim without reading it. Once they found out they were shocked that he has such beliefs. They took back their support and said that had we known his bid'ati beliefs we would have never backed this book.
One such scholars was Shaykh Sayyid Nafis Shah al-Hussani (may Allah have mercy on him). He signed the book Mafahim reading without a word. They assumed that Muhammad Alawi Maliki belongs to Ahl al-Haq and trusted him. Later on he said I make ruju and he signed the refutation of Mufti Abd al-Sattar against Muhammad Alawi.
Question goes these Deobandis [3] who have taken Ijaza from Shaykh Sayyid Muhammad Alawi al-Maliki, how dare you don't follow your elders or were your elders wrong ?
Notes
[1] Zameelur Rahman aka Muzammil Husayn, Mohammad Yasir "al-Hanafi" al-Deobandi, Abul Hasan Hussain Ahmed, Deobandi "Hanafi" Fiqh Channel Molwis, et cetera
[2] Please see the other post: The deception of Deobandis
[3] Please see point #1
