Tafdeel means Shia or Rafidi - Bidah
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basirqadri786
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add this to anothet list of falsehood by abu hasan. brother why do keep making wrong statements. this is another lie.
can you kindly standup and tell the reader that all the quotes which you have posted here are not from pdf file and you have read the books from cover to cover albeit with your incompetence and proven comprehension issues with arabic.
please be honest about before making claims on other or you are just show maker here on the forum instead of admitting your mistake about definition of rafidism from your own quote from ibn hajar now you move to another game, trying to define shiaism? what happened to rafidism that moved from rafidism to shiasm. Yet once again the snippet you presented from ibn hajar do you even understand it ?
or you are posting here to show others you understand what is happening and by calling my stupid or are you really that low?
whatever happened to the main issue?
giving tafdeel is against ijma so how is it slight bidah, abu hasan. your claims show you have huge gaps in knowledge just like you ottoman khilafate while any kid who studied basic texts knows khilafa is for quresh. then your problem with comprehension arabic language as shown in this and other threads. work on yourself before you call or imply others stupid.
IslamIsTheTruth
sunniport user
@basirqadri786 give up, your making yourself look like a fool.
Surely you must have something better to do.
Surely you must have something better to do.
basirqadri786
Banned
why suddenly you care so much about me? you should be advising the people who bad mouth, abuse, mock and taunt others, and then claim to be sunni writing in defense of sunni aqaid. they don't have any adab or manners.
what they accuse others must be true about themselves.
yeah ok Ottomon Khilafate.
if the man had real knowledge he wouldn't be on the run like he did a cut and paste from bajuri and when asked is Jibril alayhis salam considered a sahabi - unable to answer.
so did Prophet sallahu alayhi wa sallam took Quran from Sahabi Jibril.
this is one sample of his cut and paste.
more examples can be given, but i am not here for that task. someday he will realize that he was wrong in foul mouthing others.
Nawazuddin
sunniport user
In Ṭabaqāt al-Ḥanābilah by Abū Ya`la it states: Abdullah ibn Ahmed Ibn Ḥanbal said: I asked my father about who is a rāfiḍī? He replied: a rāfiḍī is the one who curses/reviles Abū Bakr and Umar (raḍi Allah anhumā).
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In manāqib al-Shāfa`ī by al-Bayhaqī and manāqib al-Shāfa`ī by al-Rāzī it states: Abū Dā’ūd reports from Aḥmed ibn Ḥanbal that Yaḥya ibn Ma`īn called Imam al-Shāfa`ī a shīah. So Ibn Ḥanbal replied: you are saying this about an Imam of Muslims? Ibn Ma`īn replied: I have read the chapter of bāghīs/rebels in his book and from begining to end and he takes Alī Ibn Abī Ṭālib as a proof. Ibn Ḥanbal replied: I am surprised at you; who else would al-Shāfa`ī justify his rulings against the bāghīs/rebels other than Alī? He was the first to have encountered by the bāghīs. Alī is the one whose sunnah we have about the rules of engagement with rebels. It is neither reported from Rasūl Allah ﷺnor from the example of earlier Khulafāh. After hearing this Yaḥyā ibn Ma`īn became ashamed.
Never mind al-Shāfa`ī, see for example, tahdhīb al-tahdhīb of al-Asqalānī. Ḥaḍrat Abū al-Ṭufayl Āmir ibn al-Wāthilah was ṣaḥābī who accompanied Rasūl Allah ﷺ for eight years yet it is strange that muḥadithūm would say that he was shī`ī and ‘authentic’ in transmission of ḥadīth. Strange how these people treat those who love the ahl al-bayt. What about all ṣaḥābah are `udūl in ḥadīth transmission. There is no discussion on their authentIcity but we have these scholars entertaining this discussion and saying he was thiqah...and labeled him as shī`ī.
It seems to me that being a shī`ī is arbitrary and people have vented their anger at those who loved the ahl al-bayt dearly to the extent of accusing them. The truth is that in the earlier ages those who loved the ahl al-bayt were called a shī`ī in the sense of shiān e Alī and shīān e muāwīyah. Imam Shāfa`ī was called shiah for declaring those who fought Imam Alī as bāghīs whereas it is ahl al-sunnah. A ṣaḥābī is accused of being a shī`ī for his love for ahl al-bayt. On the other hand, we have them reporting from those who sent curses upon Imam Alī such as ḥarīz ibn uthmān, imrān ibn khaṭṭān but not reporting from the grandson of Imam Hasan al-Mujtabā Al-Hasan ibn ẓayd ibn al-Hasan ibn ali ibn abi talib or husayn ibn zayd ibn ali ibn al-Husayn...see tahdhīb.
abu Hasan
Administrator
i posted a translation of shaykh bajuri's text - and it was not a cut and paste.
someone asked about the definition, and i quoted/translated from a reliable text. if you have objections on it, please state them and also state your position. you hardly answer any objective questions and even when you answer it is mostly whataboutery.
if you are interested we can discuss this one issue and reach a conclusion, but it should be focused and objective.
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d-uh. does it require a disclosure note now? anyone can tell that it is from a PDF.
but PDFs can either by typed-out by volunteers without editorial oversight; or images of published books (many which are supervised by scholars and are proofread; in spite of the few mistakes that creep in). so an image-PDF is as good as a book, unlike typed-PDFs and typed text online. to be on the safer side, one should always refer to a book (regardless of its being in printed or PDF form) for proper context. this would require one to actually place the cited text and provide a proper reference.
on the other hand, searching for and copying chunks of text from websites is relatively easy, but will have reliability issues. even if you find a text online, it is always safer to compare it in printed versions.
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you need to read the cited passages to understand.
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it is a detailed answer, which you can look up relevant books.
i am citing alahazrat and other authorities - who perhaps knew more about ijma'a and hadith than you. same with bajuri. given bajuri's opinion and your dissent, i prefer bajuri to your opinion.
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in sha'Allah.
abu Hasan
Administrator
didn't understand this accusation quite. please elaborate or jig my memory.
basirqadri786
Banned
bhai log: abu hasan, noori, agent-x, islamisthetruth, I don't have time for your mirch and masala talk. Like i mentioned before i am not into street talk. if you have something to contribute on the topic post.
@Nawazuddin
Nawazuddin, interesting post. If you have the document PDF or Word, can you upload it, i like to read it.
@Nawazuddin
Nawazuddin, interesting post. If you have the document PDF or Word, can you upload it, i like to read it.
abu Hasan
Administrator
i asked you about what is this thing about caliphate that you accused me.
and if you are really sincere, i am willing to discuss all of your issues that you allege that i am running away from. but not in the haphazard manner you work. you don't answer objective questions, just whataboutery.
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in sha'Allah, for the benefit of other members who don't read arabic, i will try to explain what i have quoted and inferred.
wa billahi't tawfiq.
I wonder why you hang out over here if you are not into "street talk". If you are here to show off your knowledge, then I (and probably most over here) are not even least bit impressed (even without any comparable depth of knowledge, I can see from your methods/methodology how shallow you are). "Fanboys", if that's how you want to call, are unlikely to be swayed by your hit and run tactics.
So what exactly are you doing here? Did anyone invite you on sunniport that you are finding it so hard to quit? I suspect only reason you have managed to continue without being banned yet, is that aH wants to expose you even further. I doubt that someone as full of oneself like you will get the message or be ashamed. You seem to have taken it upon yourself to avenge some of earlier slight/insult. That is evident from the history of your posts. Since none of us know you in person, you may happily quit than dig yourself a bigger hole.
Unbeknown
sunniport user
please do that in a separate thread and keep it locked so it's clean of troll phlegm.
Believing Sayyiduna Abu Bakr is afdal (superior) amongst the sahabah is from the necessities of Ahlu's Sunnah.
It isn't only jumhur (majority), rather there is ijma'a (scholarly consensus) on this.
Therefore, a denier of the superiority of Abu Bakr is a deviant, out of Ahlu's Sunnah.
Some people are opening the door to tafdil (believing others are superior to Abu Bakr) by saying: 'oh, we believe he is superior but it's fine to believe otherwise. Tafdilis are also Sunni.'
Wrong. Here is a summary of the Sunni position:
1. Abu Bakr is superior.
2. Whoever believes he isn't is a deviant.
3. If Zayd believes Abu Bakr is superior but those who don't are also Sunni, this itself means Zayd is committing bidah.
Know this well.
رضي الله عنه
It isn't only jumhur (majority), rather there is ijma'a (scholarly consensus) on this.
Therefore, a denier of the superiority of Abu Bakr is a deviant, out of Ahlu's Sunnah.
Some people are opening the door to tafdil (believing others are superior to Abu Bakr) by saying: 'oh, we believe he is superior but it's fine to believe otherwise. Tafdilis are also Sunni.'
Wrong. Here is a summary of the Sunni position:
1. Abu Bakr is superior.
2. Whoever believes he isn't is a deviant.
3. If Zayd believes Abu Bakr is superior but those who don't are also Sunni, this itself means Zayd is committing bidah.
Know this well.
رضي الله عنه