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totally missed this last time. fascinating...
Asim Yusuf on Imam Ahmad Rida Khan
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totally missed this last time. fascinating...
Unbeknown
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not accusing you of anything but would like to know which rule of ethics forbids discussing works on forums or social media, even if it goes no further than that? Are forums some inherently evil things?
It is the first step, to highlight the issue. Nowadays, that happens through forums and social media first and then perhaps other channels.
It would be great someone took time out to write a response. But there's no need for a curfew on discussing it on other platforms.
If criticizing a book on social media is unethical then why shouldn't praising it be unethical? Nobody says that, including you. So please lets not lose sight of the context and the times we live in.
wa's salaam
When he reads the Hadith at 15:38 he reads the word يرحمكم with jazm and then nasb!
Whereas it should be with jazm (based on jawab ul sharT) and raf' (based on isti'naf)?
Also at 21:20 he makes the error of making feminine the nisbah of Imam ibn Ataaillah (he says السكدرية instead of السكندري)
How can someone whose discussion on one hadith is riddled with so many errors dare to raise objections at the Hadith knowledge of the Imam who would flawlessly quote hundreds of Hadith as evidence for one point!?
Inwardreflection
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Anyway, it is well known that the Faqih is above the Muhaddith in rank. So how can a Mujtahid like Imam Ala Hazrat ( RehmatUllah Alai) who was a masterful Jurist not be strong in Hadith. How can you derive rulings if you don't know Hadith?
abu Hasan
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we all make mistakes in proper names, and particularly names foreign to us or ones which we might not have heard often. sometimes, mistakes happen due to following others on the assumption that the person they are following might have got it right.
even giants like imam bukhari have misspelled names or mistaken appellations. it is anyway an insignificant issue and is not the measure of someone's knowledge. the only reason i felt commenting, is that ibn Hajar is a hadith master and any student of hadith would have heard or read his name hundreds of times - IF one is a serious student of hadith. but it is also true that we keep making the same mistake over and over, without realising it until someone points it out. so let us cut some slack and give dr. asim benefit of doubt.
as for the comment on alahazrat's knowledge of hadith. it is a lenghty subject.
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abu'l hasan nadawi poisoned the pond; in his nuzhatu'l khawatir, he said that alahazrat had very little knowledge in hadith.
our ulama took this up long ago and demonstrated the lie of this jealous and inimical biographer and his pernicious comments. various articles were written to debunk this slander. mawlana muhammad hanif baraylawi has compiled a 10 volume compendium, with takhrij of ahadith mentioned in fatawa riDawiyyah, which has been linked below by janab aqib sahib.
shaykh hanif says that the number of books alahazrat from which alahazrat has cited in his fatawa are more than 400.
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a few years ago, i started a comparison of books/fatawa of deobandi elders with those of alahazrat, to examine this patent lie brazenly dished out by nadawi. i started writing an essay on this topic "the jealous biographer", but have been sidetracked due to other important things. moreover, it is a time consuming activity and i hope to complete it some day, in sha'Allah.
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for example, take the case of sujud al-taHiyyah. this is a book which the nadawi, in spite of his acrimony, couldn't withhold his praise.
'this work demonstrates the depth of his knowledge and the strength of his argument'
the hatred in nadawi's heart couldn't stay bottled up; he vents his spleen: "...he had very little knowledge of hadith and tafsir"
it is easy to throw statements. there are a number of lies in this biographical notice, and unfortunately, many sunni ulama among arabs have been deceived by this kazzab - may Allah ta'ala give him his just recompense.
now, on this subject of prostration, thanawi also wrote a fatwa, the first question in hifz al-iman. he stated just one hadith from mishkat in this matter, and mentioned a couple of mufassirin. as an aside, it is also in this short work, that thanawi committed a blasphemy! another aside, is that in this fatwa that thanawi says that the life of RasulALlah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam is "barzakhi" which khalil denied without blinking in his muhannad.
hifz al iman, thanawi:
hifz al iman, thanawi:
alahazrat also wrote a fatwa on sujud al-taHiyyah and he compiled an arbayin - 40 hadith that prohibit prostration of greeting/respect. apart from being an original compilation on a specific topic, the hadith also has takhrij which only a hadith scholar is capable.
please remember that alahzrat was using books that did not have extensive indexes and cross-referencing that we have in our time, nor did he have access to tools such as computer-search across compilations. plus he has comments on rijal, textual accuracy, cross referencing from numerous other books.
let us take the hadith which thanawi also cited: "hadith in mishkat from abu dawud".
alahazrat says about this (#16)
after the narration, he comments:
not only alahazrat collected all the narrations, he also mentioned the statuses of the hadith and comments by hadith masters. in a footnote for the very first hadith of this compilation, he says:
here, alahazrat's footnote says:
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thereafter, concerning the objection of those who permit such prostrations, in which they cite the case of angels prostrating to sayyiduna aadam alayhi's salam, or the prostrations to sayyiduna yusuf alayhis salam, thanawi just wrote a few lines. whereas alahazrat cites numerous mufassirin from many places in their tafasir.
nadawi was either blind to all this, or most likely in his jealousy and hatred wrote "did not have much knowledge of hadith and tafsir".
i dare deobandis to show any of their teachers and elders such skill in takhrij - and this is not just one risalah. hundreds of them are printed and available - even on topics where ulama like abul hasanat lucknawi said he didn't know any narration, alahazrat shows hadith in which that information is implicit.
one can say in defence of thanawi, that he wrote only a mukhtasar risalah and did not compile a hadith work. fine, but alahazrat WROTE a huge risalah with compilation of hadith. HOW can you say he didn't know hadith?
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i also stumbled on this old article by shaykh monawwar ateeq: http://scholarspen.blogspot.ae/2005/08/hadith-huffaz-major-hadith-authorities.html.
in this he mentions another short work of his, which can be found here:
http://www.alahazrat.net/islam/imam-ahmad-raza-mastery-in-hadith-sciences.php
and a PDF here.
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Allah ta'ala knows best.
even giants like imam bukhari have misspelled names or mistaken appellations. it is anyway an insignificant issue and is not the measure of someone's knowledge. the only reason i felt commenting, is that ibn Hajar is a hadith master and any student of hadith would have heard or read his name hundreds of times - IF one is a serious student of hadith. but it is also true that we keep making the same mistake over and over, without realising it until someone points it out. so let us cut some slack and give dr. asim benefit of doubt.
as for the comment on alahazrat's knowledge of hadith. it is a lenghty subject.
---
abu'l hasan nadawi poisoned the pond; in his nuzhatu'l khawatir, he said that alahazrat had very little knowledge in hadith.
our ulama took this up long ago and demonstrated the lie of this jealous and inimical biographer and his pernicious comments. various articles were written to debunk this slander. mawlana muhammad hanif baraylawi has compiled a 10 volume compendium, with takhrij of ahadith mentioned in fatawa riDawiyyah, which has been linked below by janab aqib sahib.
shaykh hanif says that the number of books alahazrat from which alahazrat has cited in his fatawa are more than 400.
---
a few years ago, i started a comparison of books/fatawa of deobandi elders with those of alahazrat, to examine this patent lie brazenly dished out by nadawi. i started writing an essay on this topic "the jealous biographer", but have been sidetracked due to other important things. moreover, it is a time consuming activity and i hope to complete it some day, in sha'Allah.
----
for example, take the case of sujud al-taHiyyah. this is a book which the nadawi, in spite of his acrimony, couldn't withhold his praise.
'this work demonstrates the depth of his knowledge and the strength of his argument'
the hatred in nadawi's heart couldn't stay bottled up; he vents his spleen: "...he had very little knowledge of hadith and tafsir"
it is easy to throw statements. there are a number of lies in this biographical notice, and unfortunately, many sunni ulama among arabs have been deceived by this kazzab - may Allah ta'ala give him his just recompense.
now, on this subject of prostration, thanawi also wrote a fatwa, the first question in hifz al-iman. he stated just one hadith from mishkat in this matter, and mentioned a couple of mufassirin. as an aside, it is also in this short work, that thanawi committed a blasphemy! another aside, is that in this fatwa that thanawi says that the life of RasulALlah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam is "barzakhi" which khalil denied without blinking in his muhannad.
hifz al iman, thanawi:
hifz al iman, thanawi:
alahazrat also wrote a fatwa on sujud al-taHiyyah and he compiled an arbayin - 40 hadith that prohibit prostration of greeting/respect. apart from being an original compilation on a specific topic, the hadith also has takhrij which only a hadith scholar is capable.
please remember that alahzrat was using books that did not have extensive indexes and cross-referencing that we have in our time, nor did he have access to tools such as computer-search across compilations. plus he has comments on rijal, textual accuracy, cross referencing from numerous other books.
let us take the hadith which thanawi also cited: "hadith in mishkat from abu dawud".
alahazrat says about this (#16)
abu dawud in his sunan, Tabarani in his mu'jam al-kabir, Hakim and bayHaqi narrate from qays ibn sa'ad...
after the narration, he comments:
abu dawud indicated that was hasan by not commenting on it, Hakim explicitly said it was SaHiH and dhahabi in his talkhiS validated Hakim's assertion. as it is mentioned in it'Haf.
not only alahazrat collected all the narrations, he also mentioned the statuses of the hadith and comments by hadith masters. in a footnote for the very first hadith of this compilation, he says:
jamiy of tirmidhi, SaHiH ibn Hibban, SaHiH mustadrak, musnad bazzar, sunan of bayhaqi reporting from abu hurayrah raDiyAllah anhu.
here, alahazrat's footnote says:
i have seen this in jamiy of tirmidhi; and in durr al-manthur, it has been attributed to bazzar, Hakim and bayhaqi, mentioned under the verse: "men have authority over women.." [surah nisa, v34].
in (chapter on) nikah, in targhib (wa't tarhib) and appendix (dhayl) of jamiy al-saghir, attributing to ibn Hibban; and he sufficed only with the marfu' narration as is the context of his book.
and in kanz al-ummal, he indicated (in abbreviation) that it is nasayi by mentioning nuun, but that is a typo (taS'Hif); for it is taa for tirmidhi.
in (chapter on) nikah, in targhib (wa't tarhib) and appendix (dhayl) of jamiy al-saghir, attributing to ibn Hibban; and he sufficed only with the marfu' narration as is the context of his book.
and in kanz al-ummal, he indicated (in abbreviation) that it is nasayi by mentioning nuun, but that is a typo (taS'Hif); for it is taa for tirmidhi.
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thereafter, concerning the objection of those who permit such prostrations, in which they cite the case of angels prostrating to sayyiduna aadam alayhi's salam, or the prostrations to sayyiduna yusuf alayhis salam, thanawi just wrote a few lines. whereas alahazrat cites numerous mufassirin from many places in their tafasir.
nadawi was either blind to all this, or most likely in his jealousy and hatred wrote "did not have much knowledge of hadith and tafsir".
i dare deobandis to show any of their teachers and elders such skill in takhrij - and this is not just one risalah. hundreds of them are printed and available - even on topics where ulama like abul hasanat lucknawi said he didn't know any narration, alahazrat shows hadith in which that information is implicit.
one can say in defence of thanawi, that he wrote only a mukhtasar risalah and did not compile a hadith work. fine, but alahazrat WROTE a huge risalah with compilation of hadith. HOW can you say he didn't know hadith?
----
i also stumbled on this old article by shaykh monawwar ateeq: http://scholarspen.blogspot.ae/2005/08/hadith-huffaz-major-hadith-authorities.html.
in this he mentions another short work of his, which can be found here:
http://www.alahazrat.net/islam/imam-ahmad-raza-mastery-in-hadith-sciences.php
and a PDF here.
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Allah ta'ala knows best.
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Unbeknown
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the method of alahazrat. the OP is relevant.
Was this essay ever completed?
abu Hasan
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no.
It seems that link is broken, please see here:
http://www.ahlesunnat.net/media-library/downloads/regularupdates/razahadeethsciences.htm
http://www.ahlesunnat.net/media-library/downloads/regularupdates/razahadeethsciences.htm
Dr Asim speaks on Alahazrat, Deobandis, and Barelwis.
I only watched around 10 minutes but so many howlers
He claimed that Alahazrat (and Barelwis) a Chishtī Niẓāmī, just as Thanawī was (while it’s true that Alahazrat held asānīd in the Chishtī ṭarīqah, to assert that he was formally functioned within that ṭarīqah shows his unfamiliarity with Alahazrat).
He refers to Ismāʿīl Dihlawī as a shahīd.
But perhaps the most laughable moment was when he attempted to name al-Imām Faḍl al-Rasūl al-Badāyūnī. He initially mangles it as “Bayāyūnī,” and then again as “Bandyālawī”.
In fact, he doesn't even say Faḍl al-Rasūl. He says Faḍl al-Raḥmān Bayāyūnī