Book: maslak e ikhtilal

Rizvi_Qadri said:
Also brother, some advice, the passage you have highlighted regarding 200 years ijma, is taken from Fatawa Rizawiya and the reference, given in Shaykh Saqib's book. Therefore, it would be best if you did not speak out against it.
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I do not see the benefit of commenting further on this subject when people who have not read the book are criticising Shaykh Saqib and not realising that in reality, they are criticising the passages from Fatawa Rizawiya of Ala Hazrat ra.
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you have avoided direct questions because you have blind faith in saqib shami.

I knew that the reference is from FR - so what? one can draw any conclusions from it?

Rizvi_Qadri said:
Brother Unbeknown, I would request you to read the book again, and for those who have not read it but are passing judgements already (perhaps propelled by their personal vendetta against Shaykh Saqib), please read the book in its entirety.
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i have read the book with a sunni mufti. so relax.

Rizvi_Qadri said:
If you do not understand certain aspects, or feel that certain rulings are against the frame works of Ahlus Sunnah, go and meet with Shaykh Saqib, the way I did – I had no problem in meeting with him on several occasions to discuss the book, seek clarification from the author, after all it is a specialist subject. Failing that, you can seek a fatwa from a Mufti against him?
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ah the person who doesn't listen to reason - must we reason with him? he is not even a scholar - an orator with a hunger for fame.


Brother 'unbeknown' I am dumbfounded by your response. Raza Academy, Mumbai, published 1000 copies of this book. Before publishing, the book was presented to Hazrat Taj ush Sharia - Perhaps you know better than the specialists, that belong to this field?
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this is the same raza academy who have invited saqib shami multiple times to bombay, it's no surprise if they are promoting his book.

where is the proof that it was reviewed by hazrat? obviously, it must have been read to him. how much of it?

you can believe in hearsay - you want to believe that your peer is right. I can't help it.

We have people claiming all sorts of things about huzur taj al shariah. doesn't mean we will believe them.

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I know a lot more things. please don't suppose I'll shy away from speaking when I feel the need for it.
 
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when they feel that the wind is in their favor - alahazrat, taj al-shari'ah suddenly become the touchstone who cannot be wrong. and when they feel like it - their's is just one opinion - doesn't mean everyone must follow them.
 
Let us see how much you value the opinions of huzur taaj al-shari'ah:

http://jamiaturraza.com/session/11Jan15/51.mp3


huzur taj al shari'ah says that the claim that buzurgan-e-deen allowed mazameer is an iftira upon them:

Q: Qawwali ya Simaa Mazameer (Aalaat-e-Mosiqi) k sath Jaiz nahin. Jo sama buzurgaan-e-deen mein raaijtha uski kia soorat thi aur kia aaj iss zamanay mein wesa sama mun'aqid kia jata hay?

A: http://jamiaturraza.com/session/31Mar13/4.mp3


Q: mahfil e sama kya hai, phle kaisi hua karti thi, or ab kaisi hona chaie silsila e chistiya ke hisab se or hwale ke sath btaie?
A: http://jamiaturraza.com/session/11Sept11/7.mp3


Q: Kya Khwaja Gareeb Nawaz Radi Allahu Ta'ala Anh Mehfil e Sama mein shirkat karte thay? Agar haan to kaisi Mehfil e Sama?
A: http://jamiaturraza.com/session/31Mar13/4.mp3


Q: Zaid mazamir k sath qawwali sunta he. Kya wo gunahgar hoga? Jabki kai khanvada e ashrafiya k Buzurgan e deen bhi (jese ki Huzoor ashrafi miya) mazamir k sath qawwali sunte the. Islah farmaye
A: http://jamiaturraza.com/session/31Mar13/4.mp3

so where does he say - it is halal for those who follow ashrafi miya?

Q: Qawwali Sunna aur parrhna kesa hay?
A: http://jamiaturraza.com/session/26Nov08/19.mp3
 
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AbdalQadir said:
according to Waqarul Fatawa (volume 1, pg 167), a prayer behind someone who listens to qawwali is makrooh and must be repeated.
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this is not a general fatwa - this is about a specific person.
 
abu Hasan said:
for the sake of argument, even if you ignore the poor mr.harmonium and make it halal, does the maslak e iytidal permit the rest of the samaa (atmosphere) in the so-called majlis-e-sama'a?

fussaq who sing fasiq poetry otherwise, become devout naat-singers with mr.harmonium of course. so under the guise of (regardless of its being a contention) permitting mazameer, they permit the whole thing.

all that remains is break-dance that tahir permitted as raqS.
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What is considered fusiq poetry?
Is it by genre or content forms of poetry, or songs (sung).
I am quite fond of such love poems/songs(just the lyrics) of both ishq majazi and ishq haqiqi.
 
Rizvi_Qadri said:
Before publishing, the book was presented to Hazrat Taj ush Sharia - Perhaps you know better than the specialists, that belong to this field?
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You’re throwing a lot of stuff around. Do you have proof of this? Being presented a book and being asked to endorse a book are different things completely. You expect us to believe that Huzur Tajush Shariah (hafizahullah) was presented this book and he agreed with its contents?
 
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qawwali and sajadah to a "peer":

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can saqibists prove that the above is haram or fisq while still adhering to the principles laid out in the book?

one could claim, that as per the book, the above is jaiz. in other words, saqib shami permits sajdah e tazimi. [note: not my accusation, but that is the implication of the book].
 
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ridawi said:
You’re throwing a lot of stuff around. Do you have proof of this? Being presented a book and being asked to endorse a book are different things completely. You expect us to believe that Huzur Tajush Shariah (hafizahullah) was presented this book and he agreed with its contents?
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just an update; Hazrat does not peruse through books any more (since 5 plus years) because of the impairment; sometimes he listens to parts being read to him, especially if someone wants to ask him a question regarding it - that's all.

and nowadays he is too busy with other, far more important works.
 
Aqib alQadri said:
add the following:-

men wearing gaudy embroidered clothes, looking like women: everyone does it - they still look like men!
men wearing dupattas: so what, he still looks like a man!
photography (youtube, TV et al) even when not forced by law: hey, there is ikhtilaaf on this - that digital is NOT considered a photo!!!
banners and posters with photographs - not digital: this is the need of the times; let's forget the hukm of the hadeeth for the noble cause!
spending 2 hours doing make-up to appear before TV; aw - come-on! this is part of the job!.
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the list is growing:-

prostration to the pir sahab: bro, there is ikhtelaf in this too!
free mixing of sexes in religious gatherings: check history - women were allowed to come to mosques earlier!
 
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Aqib alQadri said:
the list is growing:-

prostration to the peer sahab: bro, there is ikhtelaf in this too!
free mixing of sexes in religious gatherings: check history - women were allowed to come to mosques earlier!
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now since we have a long list of masaael that scholars differ about, I wonder - for example - if these can be done INSIDE THE MOSQUES:-

# 1. setting up a barber's shop INSIDE THE MOSQUE, to shave off people's beards (or let's say, shorten them).
# 2. have a grand qawwali program INSIDE THE MOSQUE, with beardless, cap-less, non-praying singers, shrieking out syllables accompanied with the orchestra (even if the Kalaam is not faulty).
# 3. add to # 2 - musicians clapping like eunuchs (actually this is necessary part of the orchestra)
# 4. add to # 2 - throw in a bit of "raqs" (dance).
# 5. have a few women attend the occasion.
# 6. seat the pir sahab on the minbar, (YES, THAT'S INSIDE THE MOSQUE) and do sajdah e taazeemi.
# 7. film the whole thing - of course - for our children to have evidence of jawaaz.

please don't open the Pandora's box.
 
I missed this last time. Excellent exposition:

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This was posted by brother @kaydani1 in this thread.


Every word is worth hanging on to. It is a very potent refutation of saqib and his hallucinations which he calls 'maslak-e-itidaal'.

Anyone who had any doubts that saqib is opposing explicit verdicts from fataawa razawiyyah shareef - this must dispel it altogether.
 
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reply to the claim that Alahazrat is alone in declaring fist-full beard wajib:

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The front page of this book is an affront to the upright jurists of Islam:-

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TRANSLATION:
This book (maslak e i'tidal) is an eye opener - that shakes up the issuers of decrees (muftis / jurists) who are duped by the devil, and that invites the serious honorable jurists to ponder.

In short, those who give fatawa of fisq are actually duped by the devil; and those who allow such things are serious and honorable.

We ask them to kindly list the names of these 2 types of jurists. That will certainly be an eye-opener.
 
Does anyone know where / by whom saqib shami has studied? How long has he studied? Is he a qualified Mufti?
 
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