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Ridawi78692

Hanafi Maturidi Qadri


Can the learned brothers on here such as Abu Hassan, Noori, Aqdas etc please refute this Jahil.

This video is on youtube and many brothers are watching this and because he has the prints of the books he is referencing, it is possible that a layman who isnt well versed in regards to the matter/issue could become misguided. Therefore with the intention to save the faith of muslims who are weak a refutation would be neccessary.

Eventhough this matter has been discussed at length by our learned brothers, he makes some claims in this clip which havent really been dealt with especially towards the last 20 minutes of the video.

Zahid "Shah's" son Hasnain "Shah" acting like his say on this matter is Harf e akhir eventhough he cant even read the ibarats from the books correctly.
 
The silence on this forum regarding the slogan ‘bey ghuna bey khata’ is deafening.

Quite the opposite reaction to the slogan of tahqiq, when Pir Abdul Qadir Shah proposed the reply of ‘Haq Sab Yaar’ to include Sayyiduna Amir Muawiyah in the group of ‘haq’

Over the years I have come the realisation that certain sections of the Ahlusunnah in South Asia have absolutely no tamyeez for the haq, but only speak up when it suits them and their interests.

It really is a shame and saddening that the Ahlusunnah has come to be defined by cheap slogans and half baked scholars having digs at each other on forums such us these and social media. Is that really the Islam we want to pass onto our children?
 
Abdul Rehman Butt said:
The silence on this forum regarding the slogan ‘bey ghuna bey khata’ is deafening.
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i don't know why it is a major issue.

plus it appears you have an axe to grind with this forum.

Abdul Rehman Butt said:
It really is a shame and saddening that the Ahlusunnah has come to be defined by cheap slogans and half baked scholars having digs at each other on forums such us these and social media. Is that really the Islam we want to pass onto our children?
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no.

but who said ahlu's sunnah is defined by cheap slogans? or half baked scholars having digs at each other?

if you have something troubling your heart against anybody here, pour your heart out - so long as you are not abusive, we will hear you out. but just as you are entitled for your opinion, so are others.

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i wanted to post here to dispel one false notion: that everybody is aware of everything at all times, and is obliged to answer instantly without any delay for every issue that is raised anywhere in the world.

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what exactly is your point, post the rant?
 
Abdul Rehman Butt said:
The silence on this forum regarding the slogan ‘bey ghuna bey khata’ is deafening.
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The difference is Mawlana Ilyas Qadri retracted. He explained that what he meant by khata was khata e ma'siyat NOT ijtihadi. Anyways he said he will give up the slogan all together because of the confusion. As for haq sab yaar, I'm not aware of anyone opposing it to be honest.
 
mufti sahib hits the nail on the head:
[disclaimer: below is paraphrased, even adding a few clauses to clarify/emphasise mufti sahib's idiomatic usage. please note that it is not a verbatim translation]

"...more than the slogan itself, it is just that people who had hatred against muawiyah raDiyAllahu anhu and were suppressing it with great difficulty, lest people come to know of it, found a convenient way to pour out that hatred. and began to jump up and down on this issue.

the actual error of such a slogan is not as serious; the main issue is that people who have deep hatred against muawiyah just brought it to the fore - and the slogan was an excuse."​

 
This jamaat of Zahid "Shah", his to be inheritor in ignorance, Hasnain, as well as that Abdul Qadir of Walthamstow are amongst the most ignorant on the planet. So many utter blasphemies towards not only the sahabah but also the Prophets come out of their dirty mouths for which till date there has been no retraction whatsoever! And then these guys just sit out on any slip up made by the Ahle Sunnah even though it had been unintentional.

Hasnain - has your dad till date retracted on his statement that kufr came from within Adam Alaihi Salaam? Or does he intend to die in this state without taubah? Not to mention the numerous other blasphemies against the sahabah. And also can you remind the members of this forum the videos you made (if any) in the past refuting your very own dad's blasphemies?

And BTW Hasnain just repeatedly videoing yourself in the middle of a whole lot of books won't make people believe that you have become any more smarter!

Regarding the followers of this group, they are amongst the stupidest on the planet. I remember when Abdul Qadir of Walthamstow got his toddler son in one of his mehfils the followers were addressing the toddler as "Peer". Well what kind of guidance can a toddler impart to a grown up to be given such a status! This group is totally brainwashed and ignorant, and that's what happens if you make ignorants as your religious guides - they will only lead you further astray!
 
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hasanayn shah and his citations are always a hassle for me. i have still not completed shah abdulaziz dihlawi's snippet he cited last.

i watched some from the last minutes from his 3 hour marathon, and i must say that he is as careless as ever. check @3.03.00

imam hakim passed away in 405. is his book ma'arifah really the first book on usul-hadith that is with us? i am sorry for nitpicking, and this ain't a big issue, i agree; but it nags me. hence:

but does anything precede him? check this: https://archive.org/details/FP7801
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how do we know ramahurmuzi preceded hakim in his book on usul al-hadith?
well, anyone who has read a beginner text on usul al-hadith such as 'nuz'hatu'n nazar' would know...


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The first to write in this subject (i.e. uşūl al-ĥadīth / principles and terminology of hadith) was Qāđī Abū Muĥammad al-Rāmahurmuzi in his book Al-Muĥaddith al-Fāşil; but it was not comprehensive. Thereafter came Ĥākim Abū Ábdullāh al-Nīsābūrī, but he neither categorised (terms) nor organised (his book in a specific order). Abū Nuáym al-Aşbahānī followed him after that, and reorganised his book, but yet left plenty (to do) for those who came after him.

And after them came Khaţīb Abū Bakr al-Baghdādī and wrote a book on the rules concerning the science of narration and named the book: “Al-Kifāyah” and on the etiquette (and best practices) of narration, which he named: “Al-Jāmiý li Aādāb al-Shaykh wa’l Sāmiý”. There is hardly any branch of ĥadīth science in which he has not written a dedicated book (on the topic); and he was, in the words of Ĥāfiż Abū Bakr ibn Nuqţah: “Anyone who examines this matter without prejudice, will surely acknowledge that every ĥadīth scholar who came after Khaţīb is dependent on his books”.
 
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Couldn’t the same be said for people who gave precedence to the slogan of tahqiq over the centuries-old slogan of haydar?

People had hatred against Sayyiduna Ali radi Allahu anhu and were suppressing it with great difficulty? People suppressed the terminology of the ‘panj tan paak’ and came up with novel terms such as ‘panj-tin paak’, all because they couldn’t stomach the love of the Ahlulbayt amongst the awam.

We had ‘Pirs’ from the UK suppressing kalam being recited in favour of Sayyiduna Ali radi Allahu anhu, calling it the poetry of Shiah, all while claiming to be Sayyids?!

People living in palaces of glass shouldn’t throw stones.


I could go on....


abu Hasan said:
mufti sahib hits the nail on the head:
[disclaimer: below is paraphrased, even adding a few clauses to clarify/emphasise mufti sahib's idiomatic usage. please note that it is not a verbatim translation]

"...more than the slogan itself, it is just that people who had hatred against muawiyah raDiyAllahu anhu and were suppressing it with great difficulty, lest people come to know of it, found a convenient way to pour out that hatred. and began to jump up and down on this issue.

the actual error of such a slogan is not as serious; the main issue is that people who have deep hatred against muawiyah just brought it to the fore - and the slogan was an excuse."​

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Abdul Rehman Butt said:
I could go on....
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...and remove all doubt that you are stupid.

Abdul Rehman Butt said:
Couldn’t the same be said for people who gave precedence to the slogan of tahqiq over the centuries-old slogan of haydar?
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could be, but did anyone say the slogan 'naarah e haydari' is wrong? besides, mufti sahib clearly says that the slogan about hazrat muawiyah is wrong and advises dawate islami to retract and mawlana ilyas has already retracted. ergo, the same cannot be said about those who said 'narah e tahqiq'. in any case, i personally thought that the slogan issue was a non-issue.

Abdul Rehman Butt said:
People had hatred against Sayyiduna Ali radi Allahu anhu and were suppressing it with great difficulty?
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can you please point out who made a 3 hour video to disprove the greatness of mawla ali, or hunt any ambiguous statement in books and forcefully try to malign mawla ali?

Abdul Rehman Butt said:
We had ‘Pirs’ from the UK suppressing kalam being recited in favour of Sayyiduna Ali radi Allahu anhu, calling it the poetry of Shiah, all while claiming to be Sayyids?!
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i don't know who, but if a sunni scholar has called it poetry of shiah, it must be it then. go ahead and post examples for us to examine whether it is ghuluww or not. just saying 'suppressing kalam in favour of mawla ali' won't do. WHAT kind of praise was it?

we are taught not to condone ghuluww of RasulAllah SallAllahu alayhi wa sallam and many such verses have been called out for being incorrect even though they claim to be praise of RasulAllah SallAllahu alayhi wa sallam. same goes for all others below him - saHabah or awliya.


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at least we now know that you are a closet tafzili - why else would you burn?

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Abdul Rehman Butt said:
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glad that at least you have recognised this truth. hopefully, you will tell that to your tafzili/rafidi friends.
 
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now this:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1863028643997746&id=100008718844905&fs=0

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before this snowballs in another controversy, let us assess this:

mufti ashraf sahib in his short speech said:

if i were in that time, i would be with mawla `ali raDiyAllahu anhu, and raise my sword in the army of mawla `ali, and fight alongside ali against the army of hazrat amir muawiyah​

mufti aslam sahib objects that a person in this age cannot say this, because:

and facing you is a sahabi, a person of our time saying that "i would fight with a sahabi.."

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the latter implies that a person in our time cannot say this.

but if you think about it: if mufti ashraf sahib would indeed be in the time of those battles, he would be a contemporary of the sahabah NOT a person from our time. and by all rights, he SHOULD have been with mawla ali, because that was the most appropriate thing to do. else we would be talking of a certain 'ashraf' who did not aid mawla ali!

and mufti aslam sahib's citing imam shafiyi is also proper but in a different sense:

Allah has saved your hands from being stained by their blood; safeguard your tongues from being stained too​

that is, it would be a difficult choice - and it would be quite probable that we would be fighting a sahabi (al-iyadhu billah) and hurt them, which would be a great enormity. so it is a relief that we were spared such a choice.

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conclusion:
mufti ashraf sahib is only emphasising that "mawla ali was on Haqq; he was in the right; and it was only appropriate that we should have aided him in his battles". in saying so, he is expressing his desire to support the Haqq and his love of mawla ali raDiyAllahu anhu.

but mufti aslam sahib is also right: "praise Allah, that you were spared the difficult choice of fighting a saHabi, EVEN if you were in mawla ali's camp".

besides, who knows where would we be? what if we (al-iyadhu billah) were ignorant of mawla ali's greatness and did not know that "aqDakum ali" and decided to support OTHER sahabah, thereby fighting mawla ali's army?

RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam has said:

"do not be (eager to or) wish to meet the enemy (in a battle) - ask Allah ta'ala to give you safety" [sahih muslim, #1742]

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Allah knows best.

نسأل الله العافية
 
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