devbandi debates from 100 years

This jahil doesn't even realize that the elders of the so-called Ulama of Deoband have not called AlaHazrat rahmatullahi alayh a kafir (See Fatawa Fareediya) yet this idiot has the audacity to attack AlaHazrat and make claims against AlaHazrat
 
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that idiot was keeping in suspense those works/words they claim are blasphemies. if these shameless liars have really something, what are they hiding? let them post it here. mawlana asrar should not respond with any acceptance UNLESS these scoundrels make public what the charges are. if you are so sure, then be like men and show us your accusations. show us those 'proofs' that we did not even dream about.

we have openly displayed the passages of your elders - which you shamelessly call as forgeries. by Allah, can you stand in a masjid amid muslims and swear to Allah that these books, passages were not written by devbandis? if they were not, then why the hundred and one justifications your lying maulvis wrote?

zara hum bhi dekhen ke in na-hinjaroN ke phaTey aur khaali daman meiN hai kya. aur kis muNh se ye dushnam-dihanda log ham peh uchaltey haiN. tumhari jama'at ke maulviyon meiN jhoot aur makkari ke ilawa rakha kya hai.

if you have material that you claim is blasphemy, then why hide it? post them in public and let us see what exactly is it.

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looks like the devil's dogs get bitten and bark madly when the blessed month of rabi'y al-awwal shines forth.
 
my hunch, they won't make their claims public. they will try to call mawlana asrar to a debate and make a ruckus. and then claim that they defeated shaykh asrar.

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here is my pre-emptive strike: if indeed, alahazrat (al-iyadhu billah) committed a blasphemy, why were your elders sleeping? or were they stoned? why did not thanawi write a refutation? where were all your musketeers and knights hiding all these years? remember one thing: if they were indeed blasphemies, and you cannot produce fatawa of your scholars FROM BACK THEN - that will rebound on your maulvis too, who kept silent.

what an idiot!
 
i don't understand why the secrecy? if this is a matter of common interest, let them make their accusations and table their evidence against us. let them not act like wolves in hiding, attempting to ambush us.

if you do that in a designated place, and it is some new trumped up charge, we may not have the time to respond immediately. then you will claim that you have made us speechless. that won't work. unlike, your filthy madh'hab of disrespect and worshipping of your elders, we are objective and will examine the charges.

what can you expect from the (intellectual) progeny of such shameless liars as khalil ambhetvi and husayn ahmad tandwi?

as my good friend aqdas remarked, the 100th urs has caused heartburn to deos. this is followed by the blessed mawlid sharif and shayaTeen cannot tolerate the heat...

ghayz meiN jal jayeN be deenoN ke dil
ya RasulAllah ki kasrat kijiey
 
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abu Hasan said:
i don't understand why the secrecy? if this is a matter of common interest, let them make their accusations and table their evidence against us. let them not act like wolves in hiding, attempting to ambush us.
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Hmm. I don't recall the jealous biographer mentioning anything about this.
 
Let me note a few references since Maulwi Deobandi over here has m ade a claim that AlaHazrat rahmatullahi alayh committed blasphemy, astaghfirullah.

Will he then put fatwa on his own Ziya al-Rahman Faruqi who called "Alahazrat" with that title and used rahmatullahi alayh after his name?

See here

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https://archive.org/details/Tareekh...-ur-Rehman-Farooqi-www.ownislam.com/page/n113

Also Maulwi Farid in Fatawa Deoband Pakistan states that Barelwis (Ahl us Sunna) are not kafir (see https://archive.org/details/FatawaFareediyaByShaykhMuftiMuhammadFareed/page/n153)

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In Fatawa Deoband Pakistan volume 2, p. 138 (non-online edition) it is mentioned that it is incorrect to call Mawlana Ahmad Rida Khan or his mutaliqeen kafir.
 
[10/08, 21:32] Mohamed Shah: TRUTH SPEAKS: Ashraf Ali Thanvi: Analysis

http://letsknowtruth.blogspot.com/2010/01/ashraf-ali-thanvi-analysis.html?m=1
Why the Differences?-Sunni Barelvi & Deobandi-Kaukab Noorani Okarvi - OKARVI


http://www.kaukab-noorani-okarvi.com/why-the-differences--ref-11-20.html
Salafi Aqeedah: YOU JUDGE !

http://salafiaqeedah.blogspot.com/2010/12/forefathers-of-deobandi-tableeghi-sect_21.html?m=1
Salafi Aqeedah: The Forefathers of Deobandi & Tableeghi Sect - 1

http://salafiaqeedah.blogspot.com/2010/12/forefathers-of-deobandi-tableeghi-sect.html?m=1
Refuting Deobandi Mufti: Part 3 - IslamiEducation

http://www.islamieducation.com/refuting-deobandi-mufti-part-3/
From Allah Sahab to Allah Ta'ala - IslamiEducation

http://www.islamieducation.com/from-allah-sahab-to-allah-taala/
Refuting Deobandi Mufti: Part 1 - IslamiEducation

http://www.islamieducation.com/refuting-deobandi-mufti-part-1/
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https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-U-t88bT0MSM/ThA1XAZ1iGI/AAAAAAAADMM/VRCFixghGHc/s280/Deoband-Master.png

https://www.google.co.za/search?client=ms-android-samsung&source=android-b6874

http://salafiaqeedah.blogspot.com/2009/12/wahhabi-tree-part-6.html?m=1
TRUTH SPEAKS

http://letsknowtruth.blogspot.com/?m=1
TRUTH SPEAKS: Mulla Hussain Khabbaz

http://letsknowtruth.blogspot.com/2009/03/mulla-hussain-khabbaz.html?m=1
Blogger: User Profile: muslim

https://www.blogger.com/profile/01423906392751339763
TRUTH SPEAKS: deobandi mufti

http://letsknowtruth.blogspot.com/2009/03/deobandi-mufti.html?m=1
TRUTH SPEAKS: SCAN 4

http://letsknowtruth.blogspot.com/2009/01/scan-4.html?m=1
Salafi Aqeedah: Part 5 - The Crown

http://salafiaqeedah.blogspot.com/2009/12/wahabi-tree-part-5.html?m=1
[10/08, 21:36] Mohamed Shah: http://salafiaqeedah.blogspot.com/2010/12/forefathers-of-deobandi-tableeghi-sect.html?m=1

http://salafiaqeedah.blogspot.com/2010/12/forefathers-of-deobandi-tableeghi-sect_21.html?m=1

http://salafiaqeedah.blogspot.com/2010/12/forefathers-of-deobandi-tableeghi-sect_22.html?m=1
[10/08, 21:37] Mohamed Shah: Main sources...now ill send the scans of the original texts
[10/08, 21:52] Mohamed Shah: http://www.islamieducation.com/refuting-deobandi-mufti-part-1/

http://www.islamieducation.com/refuting-deobandi-mufti-part-3/

http://www.kaukab-noorani-okarvi.com/why-the-differences-ref-1--10.html

http://www.kaukab-noorani-okarvi.com/why-the-differences--ref-11-20.html

http://www.kaukab-noorani-okarvi.com/the-20--40-references-part-2-why-the-differences.html

*http://www.islamieducation.com/category/library/refutation/*
[10/08, 21:53] Mohamed Shah: http://letsknowtruth.blogspot.com/2009/01/scan-4.html?m=1
[10/08, 21:53] Mohamed Shah: http://letsknowtruth.blogspot.com/2009/03/deobandi-mufti.html?m=1
[10/08, 21:54] Mohamed Shah: http://letsknowtruth.blogspot.com/2009/03/mulla-hussain-khabbaz.html?m=1
[10/08, 21:55] Mohamed Shah: *http://letsknowtruth.blogspot.com/2010/01/ashraf-ali-thanvi-analysis.html?m=1*
[10/08, 21:56] Mohamed Shah: http://letsknowtruth.blogspot.com/?m=1

This is an important page
[10/08, 21:57] Mohamed Shah: http://letsknowtruth.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2009-01-19T10:14:00-08:00&max-results=7&m=1
[10/08, 21:57] Mohamed Shah: http://letsknowtruth.blogspot.com/s...08:00&max-results=7&start=7&by-date=false&m=1
[10/08, 21:58] Mohamed Shah: http://letsknowtruth.blogspot.com/s...8:00&max-results=7&start=14&by-date=false&m=1


Someone should check out all these scans
 
So these devbandis are claiming now that after 100 years they have proof against Ala hazrat...this is absurd...we need the Ulema of barelvi like Mufti Zia ul Mustafa sahib, sheikh abdul hadi sahib, sheikh hamid palmer sahib to be on this team
 
The Deobandis are hurting. The Awaam is rapidly finding out about their filth thanks to the many English literature available for people to read and the 100th URS has deepened wounds.

People on the ground level should distribute the Sunni-Deobandi posters to all those who are sitting on the fence. Make them aware of their deception.

Wo Raza ke neze ki maar hai,

ke adu ke seene me ghaar hai,

kise chaara-joyi ka waar hai,

ke ye waar waar se paar hai
 
subject: anecdotal description of deobandis' sense of shame & integrity, and their crocodile tears

salam alaikum

in the somewhat recent past, on our company's whatsapp group some deobandi uploaded this tan tan tana tan "na3t"

https://www. youtube.com/watch?v=4SGfL7JLLdc

he did it specifically to tick me off, and kept posting it again and again hoping to poke fun and/or get an abrupt reaction from me

after about six or seven times of his posting various conmedic enactments of that tan tana tan na3t, some superimposed on bollywood movie scenes, i had enough of this guy

being the incredibly mellow person i am, i posted this little nugget of wisdom from mr. ashraf ali thanvi - with a full english translation, and a footnote on the esteemed status of ashraf ali in deoband, just so the neutral mallus too grasped the full extent of it and all appreciated it equally well

the person's posting obviously stopped and for the next one week he didn't even look me in the eye in the office or respond to my whatsapp messages on the group

about a fortnight later, the admin of the group, a true deobandi who always dons a namaz cap and never lies or engages in any underhanded dealings, ever - and the closest friend of the guy who posted the "na3t" - who simply couldn't swallow such an exposition of his hakeemul ummat - calls me out on this issue when we're having an argument about another issue - and he says "last week aap ne hazrat thanvi ki kitab se woh topic post kiya tha! aap ne woh mazak udane ke liye aur fitnah paida karne ke liye post kiya tha na? idhar woh post karne ki kya zaroorat thi? don't you know some of us follow deobandi maslak?" to which, in the heat of the moment, i replied, "ji bilkul mazak udane ke liye hi post kiya tha. us se pehle [other deobandi] ne woh tan tana tan wali na3t bhi isi liye post ki thi. doesn't he know some of us follow the Barelvi maslak?" (i admit, i should have said, "maine to aapke hakeemul ummat ki kitab se pura topic jun ka tun post kiya tha. ab agar aap apney hakeemul ummat ki tasanif padh kar sharmsar hotey hain to mera kya kusur?!") the other deobandi had to interject after my comment and said, "[AbdalQadir] bhai, woh real incident hai, maine mazak nahin udaya aur aapke apney barelvi maulanaon ne us na3tkhwan se tawba bhi karwai hai." i replied to that by, "to maine bhi to aapke hazrat thanvi ki real kitab se real topic copy kiya tha. it is not fiction!... and the translation is also correct. if it is not real or if my translation is wrong, please prove it and i will apologize in front of everyone"

from that day onwards we have a rule - that the informal, unsanctioned, deobandi-run 'company' whatsapp group is for work-related matters only, no religious topics, jokes, bollywood, picnic invites etc. obviously, i quit it myself with my head high.

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i concur with abu Hasan - Shaykh Asrar should release a similar video on youtube/social media (as this monkey did) and

1) ask him to first of all list out all the alleged blasphemies that Ala Hazrat supposedly uttered - with references
2) when, where and how did the "magnificent akabir" of deoband respond to those blasphemies

without that there's no point giving this dog of hellfire the attention he is craving.

he is just trying to divert the limelight from Mawlid celebrations to the devils of deoband.

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Tālib ul-Haq said:
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The dimwit says that they have not initiated anything against ahlussunah for the sake of the bigger picture, for the sake of the grand scheme of things, and the grand scheme of things is the qadyaniyah. .., and then he mentions manzur na-maani at the end. The dolt does not know that manzur na-maani considered brailvies a greater fitnah than qadyaniya.read here, and he acknowledged a forged publication saif un naqi from deoband.

naya bachcha hay, wants some marketing.
 
ramiz.noorie said:
look at this new post by zameel rahman

https://barelwism.wordpress.com/201...-allegations-of-kufr-against-deobandi-elders/

we should reply to this deobandi manipulator
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I was recently forwarded this link by one of Zameel's friend. We had a discussion last month on the topic whether deobandis and Shah Ismail Dehlvi were influenced from the dawah of MIAW Najdi. Whilst discussing Istighatha, I had refuted his understanding of the word 'Istiqlal' from their own deobandi scholars and I quoted one of Muzammil's article (Zameel's pseudonym?) on friendsofdeoband.wordpress.com where the stance of Murtaza Chandpuri is mentioned.

Now that article has been deleted by deobandis. ; ) Here is the broken link. So, I would suggest you to keep your refutations on hold till the debate or else, they will simply delete the article and take note of your arguments before the debate. If you wish to go ahead with it, make sure you save the screenshots of the original article.

PS: The debate was fruitful and he agreed that certain deobandi scholars like Sarfaraz Khan Safdar, the 'Pride of Deoband', were reckless in their Takfir where they labeled Istigatha without the belief of 'istiqlal' as Kufr.
 
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Ibn Rida Safdar said:
he agreed that certain deobandi scholars like Sarfaraz Khan Safdar, the 'Pride of Deoband', were reckless in their Takfir where they labeled Istigatha without the belief of 'istiqlal' as Kufr.
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Just reckless? while doing takfir of the entire ummah from the time of the sahabah riDwanullahi alaihim till now?

Also, the halfwit mentioned their refutation of wahabiyyah, how shameless liars they are, they invite wahabi imams to deoband, and other madaris, render utmost respect to them as if they are their shuyuk of the top ranks. yet they claim they are against wahabiyyah.

Again, the dullard mentions manzur na-maani, yet forgets that he wrote a book in defence of ibn abdulwahab najdi and took a complete u-turn in the book from the very clear and strict stance of his elder scholars like rashid and khalil, to gain benefits from the then polotical situations, only to get their share from petro-dollar to spread whabiyyat.
 
Noori said:
Just reckless? while doing takfir of the entire ummah from the time of the sahabah riDwanullahi alaihim till now?
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Agreed. The fact that they accepted Sarfaraz Khan to have been influenced with the Wahabi Takfir is not because they are fair-minded rather they seem to be under pressure to prove their sunniyat. The debate challenge reaction to Shaykh Asrar's rebuttals also seems to be have been caused by this complex.

Ibn Rida Safdar said:
Here is the broken link. So, I would suggest you to keep your refutations on hold till the debate or else, they will simply delete the article and take note of your arguments before the debate.
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The deobandi messaged me again a while ago mentioning the above post here and sent a link to another article by Zameel. It is amusing to see that they seem to following this thread more keenly than the sunnis. Given the timing of this new post on barelwism.wordpress about their defence of their 4 elders, my speculation seems to be right that it's been done to get a reaction from people here. Although, they have challenged Shaykh Asrar for the debate, they seem to be scared of Abu Hasan : )
 
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