Fadak and khatā

ON THE ONGOING DEBACLE CONCERNING DR ASHRAF & HIS DISRESPECT FOR THE BELOVED DAUGHTER OF THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم SAYYIDA TAYYIBA FATIMA ZAHRA رضی اللہ عنھا

1. Dr Ashraf used the word KHATA (Error/Sin) for an act of Sayyidah Fatimah رضي الله عنها. He used this word on several occassions with great courage and disturbing body language.

2. The word Khata in Common language (Urf) when used unrestrictedly means 'Gunaah' [Sin] or 'Jurm' [Crime].

3. No person in Islamic history has used this word unrestrictedly for Sayyida Paak.

4. He has made the excuse that he used this word in response to The Rawafidh in defence of Sayyiduna Abu Bakrرضی اللہ عنہ

5. No scholar in 1400 years has used this term for Sayyida Fatima رضی اللہ عنھا when refuting the Rawafidh Shia. Dr Ashraf is not the 1st person to refute The Rawafidh.

6. He tried to use the text of Pir Syed Mehr Ali Shah Golarwi in his defence but failed as Pir Sahib has never used this term himself or anything similar to it. Why did Dr Ashraf find it necessary to use the words that Pir Mehr Ali Shah Sahib did not when explaining Fadak & when answering the Shia in his famous book Tasfiya Ma Bayn Sunni wa Shia.

7. A day after his initial statement he changed his view to 'Be Khata, Be Gunaah - Sayyida Zahra' [Free from Error, Free from Sin, Lady Zahra]

8. A day later to that he further changed his view, that his initial statement referred to 'Khata Ijtihadi' [Error of Judgement]

9. Those who have jumped on a bandwagon to say that once Dr Ashraf has clarified his view then that is sufficient, maybe need to study more.

10. When clarification is given of an earlier statement then that earlier statement should be abandoned. However Dr Ashraf after his clarification still defends his initial statement to date and has repeated it on several occassions.

11. He has created 3 stages for his clarification.
Stage 1 - Discussing the life of Sayyida Fatima - The word Khata can not be used
Stage 2 - When praising Sayyida Fatima - The word Khata can not be used
Stage 3 - When answering the Rawafidh on Fadak the word Khata CAN be used

12. This 3 stage format in no way allows someone to make this statement. It should be known that Ashraf Ali Thanwi mentioned the exact same 3 stage process for the derogatory words he used for Rusool Allah صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم, saying i used these terms of Comparison to only answer those who believe The Messenger صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم unseen knowledge is equal to Allah. [Bast ul Banaan]

Even after his clarification he was still ordered to retract and make Tawbah from his initial statement. The Fatwa of Kufr on him is for his initial statement. Him remaining adamant and persisting with defence of his statement.

13. Dr Ashraf even after clarification is still persisting & defending his initial statement and has not made an official retraction.

14. Those who say the word KHATA has 'even' been used for Prophets عليهم السلام are very much treading on the boundaries of Shariah. The Prophets of Allah علیھم السلام are free from error. If a Prophet can make an error then that weakens our religion, The Quran & The message as there is now scope for error. Where a Prophet of Allah علیہ السلام during his educational & nurturing period makes a mistake that is between him and his Lord. No human being is allowed to make judgement on the issue.

15. The example used continuously of Sayyiduna Adam علیہ السلام eating from the tree and then deducting the same for Sayyida Paak رضی اللہ عنہ is utter ignorance. This event occured firstly in Paradise, It was between Allah (Teacher) & his student (Adam), The negative command of 'Do not go near this tree' was from Allah & No other human being had yet been created so how can a ruling be deducted from this & then be fitted on to human beings or used as an example.

16. Indeed KHATA IJTIHADI is not a sin and is rewarding but that is not the issue here.

17. Those who can not give an answer are continuously diverting the issue elsewhere.

18. Dr Ashraf has also used another seriously disrespectful statement towards Sayyida Paak in saying 'By asking for Fadak she was asking for Haraam wealth from which Sayyiduna Abu Bakr Saved her' Astaghfirullah.

19. These statements and the manner in which they have been addressed are seriously disrespectful.

20. Those Ullema & Mashaikh who addressed Dr Ashraf to retract were labelled Rafidhis which again is a sign of ignorance.

21. Dr Ashraf was approached by a group of Senior ullema 5 days after his statement asking him to retract and end this Fitna but instead he verbally disrespected them and asked them to leave his premises.

The Senior Ullema who attended were:

- Dr Ashraf's Murshids Son Hazrat Mufti Syed Naveed ul Hassan Shah Sahib Mash'hadi
- His main Ustadh Allama Mufti Zahoor Ahmed Jalali from whom he studied 8 years
- Ustaz ul Ullema Allama Mufti Abdus Sattar Saeedi (Jamia Nizamiya Lahore)
- Allama Pir Syed Muzaffar Hussain Shah Sahib (Karachi)
- And many others. However they were all disrespected and turned away.

22. Hazrat Mian Jaleel Ahmed Sharaqpuri (Astana Aaliya Sharaqpur Sharif) was appointed the 3rd person to liase and arrange for a discussion between Hujjat ul Islam Pir Syed Irfan Shah Mash'hadi & Dr Ashraf. After a week of waiting that offer was rejected.

23. Then Mian Sahib approached Dr Ashraf in order to arrange a debate between Shah Sahib Qibla who is Dr Ashrafs teacher and taught him for over 5 years. This was also rejected.

24. With no other option and after a month of failed efforts for an amicable solution A Shar'i verdict [Fatwa] was issued on him of being misguided from senior ullema. The writer being One of his teachers, A teacher at Jamia Muhammadiya Bhikhi Sharif for 32 years and on the board of Ifta for 20 years Ustaz ul Ullema Allama Mufti Jameel Ahmed Siddiqi. This has been endorsed by over 150 Ullema & Mashaikh.

25. There are certain arrogant people who refer to these Sunni Ullema & Mashaikh as Shias, Tafdeelis, wrong & Ignorant yet themselves do not have a single qualification of deen to show. Some can not even write a 3 word sentence in Arabic. It is easy to sit behind hidden ID's, Pen names on key boards & Fb and issue valueless verdicts. This is a matter of Deen and should only be discussed by qualified Ullema.

26. Ample evidence has been presented for over a month to Dr Ashraf to reconsider and take back his initial statement. But he has rejected.

27. A single statement of retraction would have saved this ummah from another Fitnah but arrogance, pride & ignorance has once again divided us.

28. The sad result of this is that in defending The Sahabah some of our Sunnis have become prone to Kharijism & Nasibism. This cancer has crept into our lines. Others have become Tafdeelis in trying to praise the Ahlul bayt. A balance is required.

We have been taught by our elders to never defend the Ahlul bayt by slandering the companions, This is the way of the Rawafidh Shia and do not ever defend the companions by slandering the Ahlul bayt, This is the way of the Khawarij & Naasabis.

The Ahlusunnah is balanced, we have love for both and defend both without degrading any.

29. We demand Dr Ashraf retract his statement and make Tawbah in The majesty of Allah عز و جل، The Messenger of Allah صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم & Sayyida Fatima Zahra رضی اللہ عنھا and end this Fitnah once and for all.

30. May Allah keep the faith and Iman of our Sunnis safe and grant us Love & respect for both Aal & Ashaab of Rusool Ullah صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم و رضی اللہ عنھم اجمعین

Khadim e Ahle Sunnat
Mohammed Nabeel Afzal Qadri via FB
 
ON THE ONGOING DEBACLE CONCERNING DR ASHRAF & HIS DISRESPECT FOR THE BELOVED DAUGHTER OF THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم SAYYIDA TAYYIBA FATIMA ZAHRA رضی اللہ عنھا

Mohammed Nabeel Afzal Qadri via FB

Will you relay the responses back to Nabeel Afzal or are you here only to post his message?
 
Nabeel Afzal Irfani (not Qadiri), will you have some ghayrat and tell us your fatwa on Mawlana Ghulam Rasul Saeedi rahimahullah and on Muhaddith e Kabeer Allamah Ziya al Mustafa Hafizahullah who is the ustadh of Mawlana irfan shah mashadi?

You claim people jumped on a bandwagon (#9) , are you willing to own up to the fact that you yourself are insulting Muhaddith e Kabeer hafizahuLlah?

You claim that Allama Jalali used the term "impermissible" for Sayyida Fatima radhiallahu anha. This was used by Allama Ghulam Rasul Saeedi rahimahullah. Your fatwa please....

You claim that using Khata e ijtihadi or Khata for anbiya alayhim al-salam is weakening the religion. What then is your fatwa on Mulla Ali al-Qari rahimahullah?

Answer these questions.
 
@Abul Hasnayn ... Are you just going to be a publicist for Nabeel Afzal and gonna just post press releases and run, or are you willing to discuss too? If it's just the former, I'm sure we all have YouTube to see the pro and anti comments.

Just the same, I'm really curious for this here 2 things.

Ample evidence has been presented for over a month to Dr Ashraf to reconsider and take back his initial statement. But he has rejected.
With no other option and after a month of failed efforts for an amicable solution A Shar'i verdict [Fatwa] was issued on him of being misguided from senior ullema. The writer being One of his teachers, A teacher at Jamia Muhammadiya Bhikhi Sharif for 32 years and on the board of Ifta for 20 years Ustaz ul Ullema Allama Mufti Jameel Ahmed Siddiqi. This has been endorsed by over 150 Ullema & Mashaikh.


Are that fatwa and ample evidence available as a PDF or book or something?

The ummah can all benefit from this ample evidence and the fatwa issued.
 
ON THE ONGOING DEBACLE CONCERNING DR ASHRAF & HIS DISRESPECT FOR THE BELOVED DAUGHTER OF THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم SAYYIDA TAYYIBA FATIMA ZAHRA رضی اللہ عنھا

1. Dr Ashraf used the word KHATA (Error/Sin) for an act of Sayyidah Fatimah رضي الله عنها. He used this word on several occassions with great courage and disturbing body language.

2. The word Khata in Common language (Urf) when used unrestrictedly means 'Gunaah' [Sin] or 'Jurm' [Crime].

3. No person in Islamic history has used this word unrestrictedly for Sayyida Paak.

4. He has made the excuse that he used this word in response to The Rawafidh in defence of Sayyiduna Abu Bakrرضی اللہ عنہ

5. No scholar in 1400 years has used this term for Sayyida Fatima رضی اللہ عنھا when refuting the Rawafidh Shia. Dr Ashraf is not the 1st person to refute The Rawafidh.

6. He tried to use the text of Pir Syed Mehr Ali Shah Golarwi in his defence but failed as Pir Sahib has never used this term himself or anything similar to it. Why did Dr Ashraf find it necessary to use the words that Pir Mehr Ali Shah Sahib did not when explaining Fadak & when answering the Shia in his famous book Tasfiya Ma Bayn Sunni wa Shia.

7. A day after his initial statement he changed his view to 'Be Khata, Be Gunaah - Sayyida Zahra' [Free from Error, Free from Sin, Lady Zahra]

8. A day later to that he further changed his view, that his initial statement referred to 'Khata Ijtihadi' [Error of Judgement]

9. Those who have jumped on a bandwagon to say that once Dr Ashraf has clarified his view then that is sufficient, maybe need to study more.

10. When clarification is given of an earlier statement then that earlier statement should be abandoned. However Dr Ashraf after his clarification still defends his initial statement to date and has repeated it on several occassions.

11. He has created 3 stages for his clarification.
Stage 1 - Discussing the life of Sayyida Fatima - The word Khata can not be used
Stage 2 - When praising Sayyida Fatima - The word Khata can not be used
Stage 3 - When answering the Rawafidh on Fadak the word Khata CAN be used

12. This 3 stage format in no way allows someone to make this statement. It should be known that Ashraf Ali Thanwi mentioned the exact same 3 stage process for the derogatory words he used for Rusool Allah صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم, saying i used these terms of Comparison to only answer those who believe The Messenger صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم unseen knowledge is equal to Allah. [Bast ul Banaan]

Even after his clarification he was still ordered to retract and make Tawbah from his initial statement. The Fatwa of Kufr on him is for his initial statement. Him remaining adamant and persisting with defence of his statement.

13. Dr Ashraf even after clarification is still persisting & defending his initial statement and has not made an official retraction.

14. Those who say the word KHATA has 'even' been used for Prophets عليهم السلام are very much treading on the boundaries of Shariah. The Prophets of Allah علیھم السلام are free from error. If a Prophet can make an error then that weakens our religion, The Quran & The message as there is now scope for error. Where a Prophet of Allah علیہ السلام during his educational & nurturing period makes a mistake that is between him and his Lord. No human being is allowed to make judgement on the issue.

15. The example used continuously of Sayyiduna Adam علیہ السلام eating from the tree and then deducting the same for Sayyida Paak رضی اللہ عنہ is utter ignorance. This event occured firstly in Paradise, It was between Allah (Teacher) & his student (Adam), The negative command of 'Do not go near this tree' was from Allah & No other human being had yet been created so how can a ruling be deducted from this & then be fitted on to human beings or used as an example.

16. Indeed KHATA IJTIHADI is not a sin and is rewarding but that is not the issue here.

17. Those who can not give an answer are continuously diverting the issue elsewhere.

18. Dr Ashraf has also used another seriously disrespectful statement towards Sayyida Paak in saying 'By asking for Fadak she was asking for Haraam wealth from which Sayyiduna Abu Bakr Saved her' Astaghfirullah.

19. These statements and the manner in which they have been addressed are seriously disrespectful.

20. Those Ullema & Mashaikh who addressed Dr Ashraf to retract were labelled Rafidhis which again is a sign of ignorance.

21. Dr Ashraf was approached by a group of Senior ullema 5 days after his statement asking him to retract and end this Fitna but instead he verbally disrespected them and asked them to leave his premises.

The Senior Ullema who attended were:

- Dr Ashraf's Murshids Son Hazrat Mufti Syed Naveed ul Hassan Shah Sahib Mash'hadi
- His main Ustadh Allama Mufti Zahoor Ahmed Jalali from whom he studied 8 years
- Ustaz ul Ullema Allama Mufti Abdus Sattar Saeedi (Jamia Nizamiya Lahore)
- Allama Pir Syed Muzaffar Hussain Shah Sahib (Karachi)
- And many others. However they were all disrespected and turned away.

22. Hazrat Mian Jaleel Ahmed Sharaqpuri (Astana Aaliya Sharaqpur Sharif) was appointed the 3rd person to liase and arrange for a discussion between Hujjat ul Islam Pir Syed Irfan Shah Mash'hadi & Dr Ashraf. After a week of waiting that offer was rejected.

23. Then Mian Sahib approached Dr Ashraf in order to arrange a debate between Shah Sahib Qibla who is Dr Ashrafs teacher and taught him for over 5 years. This was also rejected.

24. With no other option and after a month of failed efforts for an amicable solution A Shar'i verdict [Fatwa] was issued on him of being misguided from senior ullema. The writer being One of his teachers, A teacher at Jamia Muhammadiya Bhikhi Sharif for 32 years and on the board of Ifta for 20 years Ustaz ul Ullema Allama Mufti Jameel Ahmed Siddiqi. This has been endorsed by over 150 Ullema & Mashaikh.

25. There are certain arrogant people who refer to these Sunni Ullema & Mashaikh as Shias, Tafdeelis, wrong & Ignorant yet themselves do not have a single qualification of deen to show. Some can not even write a 3 word sentence in Arabic. It is easy to sit behind hidden ID's, Pen names on key boards & Fb and issue valueless verdicts. This is a matter of Deen and should only be discussed by qualified Ullema.

26. Ample evidence has been presented for over a month to Dr Ashraf to reconsider and take back his initial statement. But he has rejected.

27. A single statement of retraction would have saved this ummah from another Fitnah but arrogance, pride & ignorance has once again divided us.

28. The sad result of this is that in defending The Sahabah some of our Sunnis have become prone to Kharijism & Nasibism. This cancer has crept into our lines. Others have become Tafdeelis in trying to praise the Ahlul bayt. A balance is required.

We have been taught by our elders to never defend the Ahlul bayt by slandering the companions, This is the way of the Rawafidh Shia and do not ever defend the companions by slandering the Ahlul bayt, This is the way of the Khawarij & Naasabis.

The Ahlusunnah is balanced, we have love for both and defend both without degrading any.

29. We demand Dr Ashraf retract his statement and make Tawbah in The majesty of Allah عز و جل، The Messenger of Allah صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم & Sayyida Fatima Zahra رضی اللہ عنھا and end this Fitnah once and for all.

30. May Allah keep the faith and Iman of our Sunnis safe and grant us Love & respect for both Aal & Ashaab of Rusool Ullah صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم و رضی اللہ عنھم اجمعین

Khadim e Ahle Sunnat
Mohammed Nabeel Afzal Qadri via FB
I have never been an admirer of jalali sahab, but whoever, regardless of the length of his turban, has issued the fatwa of kufr or deviance on him should study dars-e-nizami from the start. I cannot consider that person an alim or have respect for him at all. such person can only be a rafzi, tafzeeli, or a sell out molvi.
 
Another question for "Mufti" Jamil Ahmad Siddiqui Bhikkwi, head of "fatwa", Jami`a Muhammadiya Nooriya Bhikki Mandi Bahauddin Punjab Pakistan, since he is the one who put forward a "fatwa" calling Jalali sahib mal`un (wa iyadhubillah) and kafir (astaghfirullah)

Where did your ehtiyat go? The same ehtiyat you used in not calling Mawlana Muhammad Sa`id Ahmad As`ad a kafir or gumrah even though he held the same position that you refuted from Mawlana Ashraf Siyalwi marhum**? See here:
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=756778944739673

Was it that you were under pressure? or did you forget your usul? if it was one of these or both, you should resign and hang your head in shame and not call yourself a "Mufti"

** Note I do not call Mawlana Ashraf Siyalwi marhum as a kafir or mubtadi`/gumrah. He holds a marjuh position
 
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Here is "Mufti" Jamil Ahmad Siddiqui sahib at the urs of the father (Rahimahullah) of Mawlana Ashraf Asif damat barakatahum, the same Mawlana Ashraf Asif about whom Irfan Shah sahib said "harami bacha":


Here is an expose of "Mufti" Jamil Ahmad Siddiqui:

 
Siddiqui sahib! when you debated Mawlana Ashraf siyalwi you said you respected them on a personal level! That was about what irfan shah sahib called "inkar e nabuwwat"


but on this you are calling Allama jalali sahib mal`un and kafir! wah wah aysay usul ko salam ho!
 
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As for irfan shah sahib, where is his ihtiyat? he said not to do jald-bazi in fatawa here and to save the person first from takfir:


see 17 mins onwards (specifically 17:15)
 
Will Nabeel Afzal and his followers like Abul Hasnayn respond to my questions or will there forever more be deafening silence on their part?
 
21. Dr Ashraf was approached by a group of Senior ullema 5 days after his statement asking him to retract and end this Fitna but instead he verbally disrespected them and asked them to leave his premises.

The Senior Ullema who attended were:

- Dr Ashraf's Murshids Son Hazrat Mufti Syed Naveed ul Hassan Shah Sahib Mash'hadi
- His main Ustadh Allama Mufti Zahoor Ahmed Jalali from whom he studied 8 years
- Ustaz ul Ullema Allama Mufti Abdus Sattar Saeedi (Jamia Nizamiya Lahore)
- Allama Pir Syed Muzaffar Hussain Shah Sahib (Karachi)
- And many others. However they were all disrespected and turned away.

22. Hazrat Mian Jaleel Ahmed Sharaqpuri (Astana Aaliya Sharaqpur Sharif) was appointed the 3rd person to liase and arrange for a discussion between Hujjat ul Islam Pir Syed Irfan Shah Mash'hadi & Dr Ashraf. After a week of waiting that offer was rejected.


This is a lie. They refused to offer Mawlana Jalali even the semblance of a fair discussion which is why this ended up the way it was. They wanted "ruju" without even explanation.

Furthermore, is it not the way of A`lahazrat radhiyallahu anhu to give as many chances as possible? So why takfir and a fatwa of gumrahi after one chance?
 
@AR Ahmed. I think you should speak to Shaykh Nabeel. He is a sincere person, I've just spoken to him for an hour. He has cleared a lot of things up, especially about Shah Sahib's efforts. I am no longer commenting on this issue further, until the reality becomes clear.

I humbly request the brothers here, instead of looking at various clips and making conclusions, speak to the likes of Sh Nabeel, who is a representative of Shah Sahib to at least find out the ground reality of Shah Sahib's efforts. Let's wait for how this issue comes to head and then we will see. In sha Allah, the hope is, we might see more unity in the ranks of Sunnis

With regards to the swearing, shaykh Nabeel did not try to justify it but provided a context. I don't agree it should be used. However, the implications of the language used should be treated as a separate issue, because they don't reflect Shah sahib's beliefs

Overall, I feel content that Shah sahib is working in the interest of Sunnis. That's what matters.
 
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@AR Ahmed.
I humbly request the brothers here, instead of looking at various clips and making conclusions, speak to the likes of Sh Nabeel, who is a representative of Shah Sahib to at least find out the ground reality of Shah Sahib's efforts. Let's wait for how this issue comes to head and then we will see. In sha Allah, the hope is, we might see more unity in the ranks of Sunnis
We haven't seen any sharayi daleel yet from this camp about whether using the term khata against a non Prophet counts as blasphemy. If they are so clear on their stance why not publish it rather than have people phoning them up for clarification?



Again, what context makes it jayaz for him to swear in such a manner? All I can see is excuses from his camp. Ask Nabeel to issue written evidence.

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However, the implications of the language used should be treated as a separate issue, because they don't reflect Shah sahib's beliefs

Overall, I feel content that Shah sahib is working in the interest of Sunnis. That's what matters.
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So Irfan Shah spills out things from his mouth without thinking that do not necessarily reflect his beliefs? Any other tawil his camp has for what he has done?
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Furthermore, if Nabeel Afzal was sincere, he would not blind follow his pir sahib on this issue. Also he would answer our questions without referring to us as "wastemen" as he did with Aftab Qadri (a commentator on his page).
 
Some people on Nabeel's page are quoting the following from Fatawa Ridawiyya Sharif

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Few reasons this ibarat from Fatawa Ridawiyya Sharif does not apply here

1) The Irfan shah sahib camp must prove without a doubt that khata or khata ijtihadi comes under the category of lack of ta`zim.

2) This la`nat is not specific to any one person whereas Munawwar shah bukhari almost made it obvious he meant Allamah Jalali sahib in his la`nat.
 
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Nabeel's justification from the hadith for Shah sahib's swearing
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Again, can Shah sahib and his followers prove without any ihtimal or a shadow of a doubt that Allamah Jalali committed blasphemy in the court of Sayyida Fatima al Zahra radhiyAllahu ta`ala anha?

If not, this does not apply
 
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@AR Ahmed. I think you should speak to Shaykh Nabeel. He is a sincere person, I've just spoken to him for an hour. He has cleared a lot of things up, especially about Shah Sahib's efforts. I am no longer commenting on this issue further, until the reality becomes clear.

I humbly request the brothers here, instead of looking at various clips and making conclusions, speak to the likes of Sh Nabeel, who is a representative of Shah Sahib to at least find out the ground reality of Shah Sahib's efforts. Let's wait for how this issue comes to head and then we will see. In sha Allah, the hope is, we might see more unity in the ranks of Sunnis

With regards to the swearing, shaykh Nabeel did not try to justify it but provided a context. I don't agree it should be used. However, the implications of the language used should be treated as a separate issue, because they don't reflect Shah sahib's beliefs

Overall, I feel content that Shah sahib is working in the interest of Sunnis. That's what matters.
Ok, let's say Sayyid Mash'hadi has some sort of plan.

Why does that need him to boycott a Sunni scholar, say he has done kufr, call him la'nati, call him harami, issue a fatwa against him and say he is out of Ahl al-Sunnah?

So is he trying for unity with shiah supporters by ousting our own?

If he had tried to bring those people back without attacking Jalali sahib, it could be understood. But mixing up masum/mahfuz and giving credence to Minhajis like Taslim Sabri isn't the way.

So what's being said is, we can't see the wisdom behind what Sayyid Mash'hadi is doing and just have to wait and see whilst Jalali sahib gets called all sorts by that camp.
 
In regards to the opening points of Nabeel Afzal, I have to say that these are so ridiculous and absurd!

2. The word Khata in Common language (Urf) when used unrestrictedly means 'Gunaah' [Sin] or 'Jurm' [Crime].

3. No person in Islamic history has used this word unrestrictedly for Sayyida Paak.

4. He has made the excuse that he used this word in response to The Rawafidh in defence of Sayyiduna Abu Bakrرضی اللہ عنہ

5. No scholar in 1400 years has used this term for Sayyida Fatima رضی اللہ عنھا when refuting the Rawafidh Shia. Dr Ashraf is not the 1st person to refute The Rawafidh.

Let me apply his very own logic about his peer, Irfan Shah, whom he appears to so blindly worship. We are all aware that a few years ago Irfan Shah attributed the word "gaali" to Allah ta'alah. I am just rephrasing his opening points.

1. The word gaali in Common Language (urf) when used unrestrictedly is much more harsh and significantly more severe than the term 'khata' which basically in common terms means an error/mistake. And it is common knowledge that an error/mistake does not necessarily imply a 'sin'.

2. No person in Islamic history has used this word unrestrictedly for Allah Ta'alah.

3. We all know the excuses Irfan Shah made in the video that I posted earlier in this forum when he attributed the word gaali to Allah!

4. No scholar in 1400 years has attributed the term gaali for Allah Ta'alah under any circumstance.


Any say on this Nabeel Afzal? How many more can of worms are you going to open in your blind worship for your peer?
 
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14. Those who say the word KHATA has 'even' been used for Prophets عليهم السلام are very much treading on the boundaries of Shariah. The Prophets of Allah علیھم السلام are free from error. If a Prophet can make an error then that weakens our religion, The Quran & The message as there is now scope for error. Where a Prophet of Allah علیہ السلام during his educational & nurturing period makes a mistake that is between him and his Lord. No human being is allowed to make judgement on the issue.

i sincerely recommend the brother to read books of aqidah by imams of kalam - irfan shah sahib is only muddling the issue, omitting key details and misrepresenting the view of ahl al-sunnah.

don't forget that irfan shah first said that using 'khata' with anbiya without qualification is kufr. and when pointed out that imam azam's ibarat was shown, he made adjustments and spoke of the terminology of earlier generations etc. (i might have mixed up some things as i watched a few clips and an interview with a lot of half-hearted explanations. feel free to correct me.)

the point that using khata with anbiyaa has been permitted; and relatively, non-prophets are also included.
thus, anyone who says khata with sayyidah fatimah raDiyAllahu anha - has not committed gustakhi, has not insulted her regardless of the actual even being a khata or not.

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Nabeel's justification from the hadith for Shah sahib's swearing
i have already dealt with it. using a hadith to suit one's own interpretation can work both ways. there numerous hadith that imply about a person being this or that.

besides, this is a weak hadith AND it not only includes itrat of RasulAllah SallALlahu alayhi wa sallam, but also anSar and arabs. so whoever abuses an arab should automatically become one of the three.

secondly, even if we accept it, you will have to prove that 'the haqq of itrat' was violated. that is the core issue. attributing khata to itrat is NOT violating their right. it is a matter of academic interest that non-prophets which include ahl al-bayt are not immune from khata.

what if someone attributes a khata where it did not exist? even then, it could be bad adab, it cannot be termed insult and by extension deemed insult of RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam.

for all those people - maulavis or non-maulavis who have no knowledge of "what constitutes an insult" please read imam qaDi iyaD's shifaa and this faqeer has translated in TKM.

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Why does that need him to boycott a Sunni scholar, say he has done kufr, call him la'nati, call him harami, issue a fatwa against him and say he is out of Ahl al-Sunnah?
as long as the bazaari language employed under the banner of sayyidah raDiyAllahu anhaa appeared, we were guarded and not openly critical of irfan shah.

this is because he is dragging the religion of RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam to gali galoch. and we cannot allow that even if a sayyid does it.
 
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