Fadak and khatā

But a key point why would one say RadiyAllah Anhu, if they actually believe that Amir Muawiyya used to order the disparagement of Sayiduna Ali. That's a bigger gustakhi of Syeduna Ali.
 
i have forked the thread. as a lot of responses about irfan shah had steered this thread from its original subject.

please post your gripes about irfan shah and the 'neem-rafizi-tola' in the caper thread.
 
This before and after is really hurting Shah Sahib. Seems like this tro and fro has got some legs yet but if I were Jalali sahib's team, I would just leave them to it. Just focus on getting Jalali Sahib released
 
Waqar786 said:
This before and after is really hurting Shah Sahib. Seems like this tro and fro has got some legs yet but if I were Jalali sahib's team, I would just leave them to it. Just focus on getting Jalali Sahib released
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no, it is the opposite, jalali sahab's release is not as important as refuting these jali khao peers.

also, don't think that jalali sahab's team won't be doing anything to get him released asap, but there is a lot of lobbying behind it, and agencies have their motives too. he will be released one-day inshaAllah, but the disease these khao peers are spreading in common people may continue for a long time and difficult to cure, so it requires serious treatment and exposing the depth of knowledge irfan shah sahab is touted for.
 
I believe Allah TaAllah wanted to expose these pseudo peers for who they actually are and this Jalali episode was the means for this purpose.

This is the good that has come out of this and it is actually causing a lot of people to learn the principles of deen through this.

Irfan Shah and his groups fallacies are continually being exposed and it has been raising awareness in many people.
 
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Noori said:
no, it is the opposite, jalali sahab's release is not as important as refuting these jali khao peers.

also, don't think that jalali sahab's team won't be doing anything to get him released asap, but there is a lot of lobbying behind it, and agencies have their motives too. he will be released one-day inshaAllah, but the disease these khao peers are spreading in common people may continue for a long time and difficult to cure, so it requires serious treatment and exposing the depth of knowledge irfan shah sahab is touted for.
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That's a fair point.
 
Sunni Jaag said:
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now irfan shah only knows how to drop names, he has chosen to go down the tafzili, rafizi routs, he has forgotten that;

انما الاعمال بالخواتیم

i don't know how chaman zaman would defend irfan shah after his latest blunders, and we yet have to see which camp he sits with now. he wrote a book in defense of Sayyiduna Muawiyyah raDiyAllahu anh, i don't know if he will reject/refute himself or irfan shah.
 
By going against the jamaat Irfan Shah is just further losing respect in the eyes of the masses.

There was another video posted on YouTube about how empty one of his latest mehfils was which shows that people are recognising him gradually.

He has not yet reached the level of PAQ but he is definitely following his footsteps in quoting names of previous big ulema in front of the lay public fooling them into believing that he follows their creed!
 
Here we see Irfan Shah himself had a totally different opinion on Fadak back in 2017 where he even acknowledged that Sayyidah Fatima Zahra (ra) was angry initially when she got refused by Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddique (ra) when she asked for fadak. And now after joining forces with tafzilis and rafizis he argues that she did not even ask for Fadak and tries to disprove the sanads! And on another note without mentioning the term 'khata' he does seemingly acknowledge the same as well!

It must have been tough for 'poor' Nabeel to keep track of his "peers" opinions over time, no wonder all the blunders in the process of defending his master!

 
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