Fadak and khatā

Waqar786 said:
but it shows clearly how Muslims and Sunnis in particular are becoming weak. It is because of our internal issues
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Although it may seem perverse to wish for repeat of such situations, these are precisely the times to gauge the real value/mettle of ulemas who have built huge reputations for themselves. I have now learnt a lot about many.

That we are a divided lot was never in doubt. As always internal dissensions take priority over facing/tackling external threats. Like it or not, tafdhil(ism) is here to stay.
 
sherkhan said:
masalah khata (original):

masalah khata (sequel):
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Just finished watching the longer video too. Ma sha Allah Tabarak Allah the mufti sahab seems very down to earth and comprehensive in his knowledge like you said.

Both these videos are highly recommended to all.

In the first video, he says bluntly between 01:41:00 and 01:44:30 that those who are actually asking for tawbah on the matter, it is in fact them who need to do tawbah for attributing something for nonprophets that hasn't even been attributed to prophets.

I'm sure if this video and hukm is shown to some of the bigger celebrities of khanqah stardom, they're gonna be furious!
 
They deliver a fatwa against Jalali sahib.

But one person is saying kufr, another deviance, another leading to kufr, outside ahl e sunnat, etc.

When a fatwa is bogus, you get such discrepancies.

 
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Aqdas said:
They deliver a fatwa against Jalali sahib.

But one person is saying kufr, another deviance, another leading to kufr, outside ahl e sunnat, etc.

When a fatwa is bogus, you get such discrepancies.
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Opinion without basis is baseless. Least these ulemas/khatibs could have done is stated the guiding principle under which this ruling of deviance/ex-communication/kufr has been issued. Just saying that gustakhi against Sayyida Fatima (radiAllah anha) leads to d/x/k is not enough. Shouldn't they have cited precedence or principle?

As I said earlier, this episode has opened my eyes to the calibre of some of these khatibs. The veil/illusion of scholarship has been lifted. Who cares about split?

Let's see which group of ulemas now issue counter-fatwa in defense of Dr Jalali.
 
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From Fawatih Ar-Rahamut

http://www.islamport.com/b/2/usool/...0%E3%D3%E1%E3%20%C7%E1%CB%C8%E6%CA%20020.html

ويدعون إن فتواهم كقول الأنبياء في وجوب الاتباع وكونه من الله تعالى ونسبتهم إلى رسول الله صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وأصحابه وسلم كنسبة الانبياء العاملين بالتوراة إلى موسى عليه اسلام ولعلهم لا يجوزون انتساخ أحكام هذه الشريعة بقولهم وعندنا العصمة بهذا الوجه مختصة بالأنبياء فيما يخبرون بالوحي وما يستقرون عليه وأهل البيت كسائر المجتهدين يجوز عليهم الخطأ في اجتهادهم وهم يصيبون ويخطؤن وكذا يجوز عليهم الزلة وهي وقوعهم في أمر غير مناسب لمرتبتهم من غير تعمد كما وقع من سيدة النساء رضي الله تعالى عنها من هجر انها خليفة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وأصحابه وسلم حين منعها فدك من جهة الميراث ولا ذنب فيه
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Irfan Shah sahab and Muzaffar Shah sahab and all their associates should specify in black and white if their fatwa also applies to the author.

Chishti sahab mentions it between 01:20:00 and 01:30:00 here

 
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Aqdas said:
They deliver a fatwa against Jalali sahib.

But one person is saying kufr, another deviance, another leading to kufr, outside ahl e sunnat, etc.

When a fatwa is bogus, you get such discrepancies.

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Firstly are any of them even qualified to issue a fatwa? Any qualified muftis amongst them? Let them put forth their evidence from the shariah rather than emotional baseless rants. These people are simply losing their respect by such actions.

Very sad state of affairs unfortunately, they are just playing into the hands of the rafdis and I am pretty sure the rafdis are enjoying this show! All these so called "peers" should be doing tauba for their actions, especially those who have accused a Muslim of kufr.

Reminds me about the hadith on the end of times where the ignorant will give speeches and the public would listen to them. Just look at those ignorant audience lifting up their hands in agreement when being asked so.
 
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1) Takfir with gaali

https://www.4shared.com/s/fVZaKsZ3Bea

2) 8 mins 35 seconds of just maa-behen. sorry but it sounds like a plastered guy sitting in a bar.

and look at Munawwar jamati and that other guy in the green turban enjoying it fully. there's no 3izz, 3ilm, 3mal, 3fw, 3afiyat in this video, just 3irfan (mashhadi)

https://www.4shared.com/s/fXlv2ivC5ea

Paqs and the tafzili/rafidi bunch of the UK will be laughing all the way to the bank.

Let Irfan Shah put his money where his mouth is. Let him come back to the UK and use the same kind of language against the affluent (with the Brits) qadianis.

Let him use that same kind of language against paqs? What abt Hanif Qureshi or Riyaz shah?

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I got the below msg as a fwd on social media, written by another Sayyid

.جَنّاب عرفان شاہ صاحب بلعم باعور مت بنیں.......
بداء الاسلام غریباً و سیعود غریباً
اسلام مسافری میں شروع ہوا عنقریب مسافر بن جائے گا
عرفان شاہ کی خرافات سن کر یقین ہو گیا کہ اسلام پر مسافری کا زمانہ آگیا ھے
عرفان شاہ نے
حافظ الحدیث کی تربیت پہ پانی پھیر دیا
عرفان شاہ نے اپنی والدہ کی تربیت کو گندے نالے میں بہا دیا
جنّاب نے حافظ الحدیث کی روح کو شرمسار کر دیا
جنّاب نے اھلِ سنت کو گالی بنا دیا
جنّاب نے بدمذہبوں کو یہ بات بار آور کروا دی کہ گالی شعار ھے
جنّاب نے کئی کبیرہ گناہوں کا ارتکاب کیا بلکہ عوام کو ان کبیرہ گناہوں پہ ابھارا جس کا گناہِ جاریہ جنّاب کے ذمہ ھے
جنّاب نے لبرلز کی بات سچی کر دی کہ مولوی جاہل اور گالی گلوچ کے ماہر ہوتے ہیں
جنّاب آپ سے مجھے نفرت ہوگئی ہے
جنّاب آپ اھلِ سنت کے سر وبال ہیں اھلِ سنت پہ دھبہ بن گئے ہیں
جنّاب حدیث پاک کے مطابق ان بیٹھے ہوئے تمام لوگوں میں بد ترین شخص ہیں
جنّاب حدیث پاک کے مطابق آپ خالص منافق ہیں
جنّاب اب اللہ تعالی سے ڈریں اسکی خفیہ تدبیر سے ڈریں
اور بلعم باعورہ نہ بنیں
خدارا خود پہ رحم کریں....
(Sayyid)
18/7/20
 
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Muzaffar Shah sahab doesn't agree with Muhaddithe Kabir (somewhere in 41 mins long video... minhaji stooge tasleem sabri is present)


Some mufti Abdul Aleem sahab responds. (3 mins long):

 
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cartoon character Yasin Qadri
attacking anyone who sides with Dr Jalali




several videos are emerging

these characters have little scholarship but more sales/marketing skills
they are selling their deen faster than they can sell their children.
 
pir-i-muridi seems like lucrative market
no academic qualifications required
only oral qualifications required
some presentation like pir munawar jamati style christian style...

donkeys probably never ever heard of aqida tahawiyya !!!






 
AR Ahmed said:
Also another one:
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suddenly they have woken up to imkan-dhati and imkan-wuqu'yi.
those who don't know about it can refer to "truth about a lie" in which the terms were explained.

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rawafid ki tasalli kar di.
now the devbandis will have fun.

la Hawla wa la quwwata illa billah.
 
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a minhaj ul quran tahir ul padri khalifah
in charge of india operations also joins the bandwagon

this clown is also one of a kind
he is so shameless that he can't stop referring cake padri "shaykh al-islam"

habib ahmed huseni holds the minhaj franchise for India


did he ever hear of aqida nasafi or taftazani ?

i am telling you, more and more donkeys appearing on the scene each day.
 
let me reiterate the sunni position
open up any aqida book
tahawi nasafi taftzani ali qari ushi ashari baqillani furak

sahaba or sahabiyat are not infallible
they make mistakes.
awliya make mistakes


anyone who says otherwise, is a fool needs to exposed as charlatan and fraud running a pir-i-muridi shop.

a challenge to all these foolish charlatans calling themselves allamah shaykh al islam mufakkir ghazali e zaman and other lofty titles

o donkeys, please cite one reliable early aqida text which says sayyidah is masum or cannot make mistakes

only 1 text is enough. please.
 
AbdalQadir said:
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Anyone who thinks Sayyids have season tickets to do as they wish should read the details of this ayah.

AbdalQadir said:
Let him come back to the UK and use the same kind of language against the affluent (with the Brits) qadianis.
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I meant influential... Sorry for sabqate electroni.

ramiz.noorie said:
cartoon character Yasin Qadri
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How dare you? His title says "Wakeele Ahle Bayt Sultanud Dalail"

It is for this reason im wary of titles. Even Fazal Chishti sahab has "Shamsheere Ala Hazrat" before his name.

I'm looking for a Smart Bomb e Ala Hazrat for our times.

Any feedback from mufti Akmal or Darul Uloom Amjadiya or Nizamiya? Or they feel it is better to worry about their personal and institutional reputations as opposed to the beliefs of the awam? What abt Darul Ifta of Dawate İslami?

As they say in Bombay, everyone's a shaana.
 
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