side thread on ahruf and qira'at

[AbdalQadir]

yasir mardood is a hamza yusuf wannabe. he's been falling out with the wahabis too lately due to his love for western modernity.

he's not even an honest-to-himself wahabi anymore. more like suhaib webb, omar suleiman et al.

it seems he's going the same rotten path of ahmed khan of aligarh in his love for anything white and western

see here for wahabis themselves disowning yasir:

see this 3 minute video putting yasir in his place (they're right*)

i didn't follow this yajooj majoj discussion, but it seems from the comments that yasir is of some bizarre opinions on the matter. there are wahabis commenting 'may Allah save us from the fitnah of yasir'

below video, they chastise him for choosing yale over Madinah university of the wahabis (or any other Islamic seminary in the east. again, they're right mostly in the sense that yasir is a blithering moron for thinking he'll learn more Islam at yale than at some madrassa in Middle East, North Africa or Asia*)

same sajid lipham talks something about yasir and lgbt (i didn't listen to this)

* our imam Ala Hazrat has also said that wahabis are wrong but not everything they say is wrong. these guys are full on wahabis but their criticism of yasir is spot on in context

 

[AbdalQadir]

yajooj majoj discussion

According to Abu ibraheem's video, Yasir is "a clown" and a man full of "self-amazement" who thinks he knows better than the salaf and the texts and who causes people to doubt Islam and leave it, and apparently Yasir honestly thinks yajooj majooj might be zombies! The guy (Abu ibraheem) is of course a wahabi and at one or two places betrays his wahabi literalism and tajsim, but again contextually speaking, his critique of Yasir is correct (and it seems he considers Yasir a zindiq too in addition to mubtadiyi)

this tweet was from Ramadan where self-amazed Yasir thought he's got a sense of humor and he voiced an opinion on qeema samosas. Just highlighting the fact that yasir's tafaqquh doesn't go beyond idiotic ramblings

https://twitter.com/x/status/1257499579907551234

 

[Unbeknown]

continued from here:

compare this with our system of isnad - where a trustworthy pious man hands it down with utmost fear of distorting it and so on. compare this to all other systems and cultures where the reporter's personal integrity is either not known nor do they care. drunkards, womanisers, men of contemptible character are all 'narrators' and 'sources'!

imagine if someone totally unrelated - doesn't even know the language arbitrarily dismissing these documents are baseless?

for example in shady nasser's tract that makes yasir tremble in his boots, he dismisses the account that jam'a al-qur'an started with abu bakr al-siddiq raDiyAllahu anhu and continued in the time of umar al-faruq raDiyAllahu anhu. BECAUSE two western academics didn't think it was plausible:

Caetani and Nöldeke have pointed out the strangeness of this: Abu Bakr’s commissioning the collection of the Qur'an and then the handing it on to his successor looks like a state affair; however, it becomes the inheritance of Hafsah, thus a private affair; Theodor Nöldeke and Friedrich Schwally, Geschichte des Qorâns (GdQ): Die Sammlung des Qorâns, (Leipzig: Dieterich"sche Verlagsbuchhandlung, 1909 [reprint, Elibron Classics: 2004]), 2/19.

what nonsense! two (most likely) wine drinking swine, eating 'academics' think it is strange - probably the wrote it down downing pints of liquor. plot them on the timeline and ask, what right do they have to question the authencity and on what basis? a thief imagines another to be a thief. a fraud expects others be a frauds.

i have no reason whatsoever to trust these 'academics'.

this a completely cooked up "principle" whose only source of legitimacy is that it is the opinion of someone who is considered a "research scholar" as per another arbitrarily established system.

so when the drawing room chatter is written down and published by a an "academic" it automatically becomes the holy grail against which everything - no matter of how momentous an import - can reasonably be judged.

the modern-day systems bear no resemblance to the Islamic one - and the evidences for their being better are either highly subjective or pure hubris.

 

[Unbeknown]

the problem with qadhi and his ilk is that they are playing a game that was set-up by the "other", and by their own rules - no prizes for guessing who is gonna win.

 

[ramiz.noorie]

The problem is not just Yassir Qadhi but his fanboys like Ismail Ibrahim Patel and Salman Nasir Awan
They have been posting on twitter and facebook, texts from scholars casting doubts on Quran
These people: Salman Nasir Awan, Ismail Ibrahim Patel, Hatem Awni, Yassir Qadhi, Hamza Yusuf Hanson, Abu Layth Nahiem Ajmal have one thing in common: con-artists

https://www.facebook.com/IsmailIbrahimMS

https://www.facebook.com/salman.i.nasir


One such example is


Imām al-Qurtubi (رحمه الله) mentions in his Tafsīr al-Jāmi' li-Ahkām 'l-Qur'ān:
قَرَأَ عُمَرُ ابْنُ الْخَطَّابِ وَابْنُ الزُّبْيْرِ (رضي الله عنهما) : صِرَاطَ مَنْ أَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِمْ ،
"Amīr 'l-Mu'minīn 'Umar al-Fārūq and Ibn al-Zubair (رضي الله عنهما) recited as: 'sirāta man an'amta alaihim',"
[1/230].
And:
قَرَأَ عُمَرُ ابْنُ الْخَطَّابِ وَأُبَيُّ ابْنُ كَعْبٍ (رضي الله عنهما) : غَيْرِ الْمَغْضُوْبِ عَلَيْهِمْ وَغَيْرِ الضَّالِّيْنَ .
"Amīr 'l-Mu'minīn 'Umar al-Fārūq and Ubayy b. Ka'b (رضي الله عنهما) recited as: 'ghairil maghdūbi alaihim wa ghairid dāllīn'."
[1/232].

 

[ramiz.noorie]

If you look at their twitter and facebook feeds, these two clowns, Ismail Ibrahim Patel and Salman Nasir Awan (ex-wahhabi ex-deobandi ex-yahudi ex-salafi) are implicitly trying to deny the tawatur of Quran.

Twitter Feed of the clown Salman Nasir Awan https://twitter.com/SN_Makkah

Ibn al-Jazari in al-Nashr:

الطوفي في شرح مختصر الروضة:

 

[abu Hasan]

the main thread is here analysing yasir's speech/interview.

see here: http://sunniport.com/index.php?threads/yasir-qadhi-on-quran-ahruf-and-qiraat.14510

this thread is related to yasir etc., but not exactly about that interview.

 

[Aqdas]

Yasir Qadi is now a full blown reformist and progressive. He wishes to do away with fundamentals such as hudud.

He used to be a ghayr muqallid wahabi, I think.

Anyway, is it true that devbandism sometimes leads to ghayr muqallidism which leads to hadith denial which leads to outright apostacy?

I've also read that some ghayr muqallids become Qadiyanis.