Irfan Shah Mash'hadi in the Tafzili/Rafizi camp

[Unbeknown]

see we don't know who had the videos removed - I mean that information is "not in the public domain".

however, it's easy to see that after making a much required public statement, too late - taking it down sends a very ugly signal to the masses.

it cements the idea - already quite prevalent, that the ulama should be left to themselves.

They are a different class.

They fight among themselves, and get us all worked up, we cheer one side over the other, we fight among ourselves, with our friends/acquaintances, our social media accounts begin to reek of blood - and then, one fine morning, they are seen having tea together.

And we are told we are "idiots", who should keep away from discussing "ulama matters".

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taking it down was worse than keeping quiet.

do we value the honor of individuals above those of the sahabah?

this fitnah needed public refutation and for all the harm he has done, he cannot be allowed to address the masses from a sunni podium again - even if he does tawbah.

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Dunno why, but I was apprehensive, as soon as I came to know of a decisive public step - that something like this would happen.

Call it a premonition, call it experience. Boy, am I old already!

dunno why - but when I read that "senior ulama had requested it be taken down" - after much brain racking, I stopped on QZA sahib. I just shook off the thought out of husn-zann. But there you are.

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I still would not doubt the good intentions of whoever was involved - but then, how many wrongs have been committed from purely right intentions?

The people who issued the public statement and the public challenge - are perhaps in the best position to decide whether they should accept the censorship or not. I only hope they have not been pressurised into silence.

Allah knows best.

 

[Unbeknown]

Besides, did QZA publicly distance himself from his christmas celebrating pseudo-salafi daughter in law and his OBE son? (Correct me if I'm mistaken on this)

unfortunately I haven't heard any good news on that score either.

 

[Surati]

I was reliably informed that A few of the scholars from this event had a meeting with Mawlana Qamar uz Zaman Azmi

If this is true, then what is Azmi Saab playing at?

So, let me get this straight

• No one does anything about Irfan Shah.
• A meeting finally happens where Ulama discussed the issue. They reach a conclusion and devise a plan of action. A video was released about it.
• Azmi Saab holds another meeting, invites a few select people.
  
• The videos are removed at the request of Senior Ulama.

• Why does Azmi Saab have to undermine the meeting that already happened and hold his own special meeting with a select few? Why now? This is not a new problem.
• He self nominated to get the Tawbah after Ulama have already come up with a plan. I find it hard to believe that Azmi Saab wasn’t invited to the meeting with Mufti Aslam et al. He clearly chose not to go.
• No one knows how or when Azmi Saab will get the tawbah. Will Azmi Saab be satisfied with a general tawbah from Irfan Shah or specifically get tawbah for each of his transgressions?
  
• These Ulama who attended both meetings have a lot of time on their hands. Don’t they have a backbone?
• Or maybe the reality is that nobody can say no to Azmi Saab.
• جب وہ کچھ کہتے ہیں تو سب کو سر جھکانا پڑتا ہے

 

[AbdalQadir]

جب وہ کچھ کہتے ہیں تو سب کو سر جھکانا پڑتا ہے

یہ حکم کدھر منصوص ہے؟

 

[Brother Barry]

see we don't know who had the videos removed - I mean that information is "not in the public domain".

We may have not known before but we do now and it's in the public domain now. I directly queried this issue with one of the participants as to why the videos have been made private and that's where QZA was mentioned, so there is no doubt on the authenticity of it.

The fact that I have chosen to mention this here is 1. because we were all wondering why and 2. because I believe it should be out there so those involved on QZA front pull their fingers out and actually do something rather than pulling a blender. If they flop this time then either they're incompetent or just outright sellouts.

 

[shahnawazgm]

Video taken down at the request of Senior Ulema who are in direct contact with Irfan Shah Sahib regarding repentance on the 20 objections.

Did Ala Hazrat and the ulema of his time take down all their objections to the deobandi heresies whilst they "privately" provided them the opportunity to repent? The fatwa of kufr on those select individuals came later, but our sunni ulema openly refuted their statements first.

Does QZA consider himself to be the true representative of Ala Hazrat in today's times? Does his resume support that?

 

[Brother Barry]

Did Ala Hazrat and the ulema of his time take down all their objections to the deobandi heresies whilst they "privately" provided them the opportunity to repent? The fatwa of kufr on those select individuals came later, but our sunni ulema openly refuted their statements first.

Does QZA consider himself to be the true representative of Ala Hazrat in today's times? Does his resume support that?

Personally I don't expect any kind of resolution on this from QZA. It will end up like the Musharaf saga with plenty of egg to go around.

 

[Ghulam Ali]

Alhamdulillah for Ulama like Maulana Qamar uz Zaman Azmi Sahb who laid the foundations for UK Sunni Muslims. May Allah Ta'ala increase his blessings upon them all.
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Salaam

does anyone have another link to the video by Allaama Sabir Sb recently with the other Ulamaa. I was watching it on Youtube but now the video unavailable and is private

 

[Brother Barry]

On Vimeo also just incase it's removed or made private again on YouTube.

 

[Brother Barry]

The rotten fruits of Iran Shahs tree.

 

[Brother Barry]

Sab visa ka chakkar hey...

As Aqdas pointed out on his FB,
Muzzammil Shiah is saying Irfan Shah released the book because Pir Maroof forced him.

Muzzammil Shiah even saying it is ghostwritten...

 

[Sunni Jaag]

Syed Tariq Shah Bukhari from Muzaffargarh Pakistan in jail since last 3 months for saying Syeda Fatima Zahra radiallahu anha isn't masum following complaint from Shia re: gustakhi. In order to be released he has to sign acceptance of Syeda Pak as masum, which he has refused as it's against Aqaid of Ahle Sunnah.

Tola silent as always...

 

[shahnawazgm]

Sab visa ka chakkar hey...

As Aqdas pointed out on his FB,
Muzzammil Shiah is saying Irfan Shah released the book because Pir Maroof forced him.

Muzzammil Shiah even saying it is ghostwritten...

So Iran Shah was indeed a rafzi all along. His job was to infiltrate the Sunnis and lead a whole mass astray!

 

[Brother Barry]

So Iran Shah was indeed a rafzi all along. His job was to infiltrate the Sunnis and lead a whole mass astray!

Seems that way from the testimony of his old companion in the hellbound dog crew. It also explains his recent behaviour, this wasn't a change that came in him gradually, he was always a taqiyyah-baz khabees.

Imagine if this guy had gone into acting, he would have been nominated for the Oscars time and time again in the best actor category due to his drama and duping skills.

Those that had hopes of him repenting might aswell forget about it, he's deliberately lost and unwilling to return so QZA and co should let Mufti Aslam Bandyalvi sahib and the other Ulama handle it and issue the Fatwa that is applicable to this dirty snake.

I would say blind follower Nabeel Afzal of Coventry is either his biggest victim or biggest co-conspirator, either way he looks like a ever increasing idiot right now.

 

[shahnawazgm]

Seems that way from the testimony of his old companion in the hellbound dog crew

The fact that Iran Shah defended Naseeruddin Naseer all the time stating that he got him to do tawbah before his death. Then in a similar way defends his current tafzili brethren again stating that they did tawbah from their previous statements. We can see his elder brother's open rafzi statements so we know in which environment Iran Shah grew up.

All this further points to him being a taqiyyah baaz all this time!

 

[Waqar786]

We can speculate on what Shah Sahib was or is in terms of their apparent or hidden beliefs but what it is abundantly clear, they have lost all credibility and cannot be relied upon. They have shown no remorse and still holding onto the syed card, which many of that circle use to emotionally blackmail Sunnis.

The biggest disappointment for me is the hypocrisy of Shah Sahib and the likes of Nabeel. It is as Chomsky said, they hold others to a standard that they refuse to accept for themselves. This is why they should be shunned and boycotted.

 

[Brother Barry]

Iran Shah defended Naseeruddin Naseer all the time stating that he got him to do tawbah before his death.

I believe this to be another one of his lies. Many years ago when I was unaware of Naseeruddin's blenders in Aqaid I visited Golra Sharif with my brother in-law who is a strict and seasoned Sunni scholar and aware of the issues. We did Fatiha for Pir Mehr Ali Shah (Allah have mercy upon him) and then he sat me down and explained why he doesn't and wouldn't do Fatiha for Naseeruddin. Some time after I heard of Iran Shahs claims of getting Naseeruddin to repent on his deathbed, so I put this to Allamah sahib and he replied that for him this is unreliable because according to his knowledge Iran Shah has never openly come forward on stage and mentioned this or proven it or written about it so he would rather stick to caution. At that time this may have come across harsh to some but looking at the state of present day Iran Shah and the fact that it's come to light he was blending it from day1, I'm sure many will now realise it wasn't harsh, it was principaled and correct.

 

[AbdalQadir]

because according to his knowledge Iran Shah has never openly come forward on stage and mentioned this or proven it or written about it so he would rather stick to caution.

then on what basis was this misnomer spread that iran shah got naseeruddin to repent on his deathbed? and how did awam and ulema all just swallow the story without any cross questioning?

 

[Brother Barry]

then on what basis was this misnomer spread that iran shah got naseeruddin to repent on his deathbed? and how did awam and ulema all just swallow the story without any cross questioning?

Most likely the issue of Naseeruddin's blenders in Aqaid will have cropped up somewhere on social media or a site like this and a Mureed would have seen it and had no answer so mentioned it to Iran Shah who then decided this calls for a sprinkling of falsehood. Word of mouth will have done the rest of the legwork amongst the public. Ulama as we know all to well are of various types, some are sincere and strict, some careless and unprincipled, some fame, money and power driven. Only the first category applied caution on this matter, the rest will have gone with the flow and money.

The first time I came across the explanation was from a comment on social media by a Mureed of Naseeruddin who accepted his pir had done blenders in Aqaid but apparently Iran Shah had got him to repent and he also mentioned that till this day there is a ban in Pakistan on printing various books by Naseeruddin because of various dodgy things in them.

 

[Unbeknown]

Sab visa ka chakkar hey...

As Aqdas pointed out on his FB,
Muzzammil Shiah is saying Irfan Shah released the book because Pir Maroof forced him.

Muzzammil Shiah even saying it is ghostwritten...

awful.

Another benumbing reminder that if you don't distance your heart from the love of dunyawi glitter - it will reduce you to her plaything, tossing you one way now and the other next moment, at whim.

Zinat-ul-Hayatid-dunya: the ornament/glitter of the life of this dunya, is a knife with which man murders his principles, his self-esteem, his honor and his akhira!

whereas if one has ghayrah and flees to Allah ta'ala from the accursed dunya and her flase promises of "glory" - then saith our Lord:

"Is not Allah sufficient for His slave?"

"And He who puts His trust in Allah, then he shall find Him sufficient for himself"

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if only we turn away from the constant ruckus that the dogs of this dunya create, barking of her charms, then we will appreciate the honor and sakeenah that comes from the divine heights - as if, the very soul of the cosmos has come to stand by you and nudge you on, along the path of uprightness - no matter how humble the bread you eat or how modest the bed you lie down upon.

And see how helpless are these "heroes" that you put upon pedestals and worship - in crass ignorance of the rights of Allah and His Messenger (peace be upon him) upon you.

So flee towards Allah, and towards the Garden whose breadth is like the expanse of the heavens and the earth - and which has been prepared for those who fear their Lord.