shahnawazgm
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The very trait of a munafiq. When they are amongst the Ahle haq they will say they are with them in matters of aqida, but when they are with their own kind they will be against the Ahle haq.
Irfan Shah Mash'hadi in the Tafzili/Rafizi camp
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I think in the last video, Maulana Zahid Sahib stretched the Haq Chaar Yaar point a bit. The removal of the Haq Chaar Label from the speaker could have happened for any number of reasons and I don't think it is sufficient to suggest that Syed Irfan Shah is against the Haq Chaar Label.
Brother Barry
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The point that Mufti Zahid sahib was making is that it didn't happen for any number of reasons, it happened because Riaz Shah is against the slogan because Mahmood Hazarvi was against it and Iran Shah has been selling Riaz Shah to Sunnis recently by saying I've got him and others to repent from their filth. Conclusion the removal of the placard shows they've not repented from their old ways and Iran Shah is a lier who is peddling these rafizi's to laymen and scholars alike to have some sort support around him. The latter indicate Iran Shah isn't concerned with the slogan but rather has to keep going with it for now to be able to milk it for whatever he can get out of it until he totally and openly turns his back on it. Rest assured you won't hear him objecting to Riaz Shah's removel of it and I doubt Nabeelam will be addressing it either.
Brother Barry
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Well I can see the rebound making that into a own goal against him and his team... These people don't have the slightest fear of Allah or what's awaiting them.
shahnawazgm
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So the gist of Munawwar Jamaatis speech at the end of that long video is that nobody should ever open their mouths against "Sayyeds" as it will be very expensive (mehenga) for them. Then he continues his lies that the Jalali camp would not even do a munazara with Iran Shah and are just barking behind social media. And finally that Allah has taken away the tawfeeq from the Jalali side to do tawbah in this world and everyone will see their hashr on the day of Qiyamat, where he further elaborates that Allah will make everything coming out of his mouth as true!
Wow, I didn't realize until today that Munawwar Jamaati was such a high calibre Wali Allah, perhaps he might even be the ghawth of our times for having such a tongue that Allah fulfills whatever that comes out of it (should have guessed it earlier from the height of his topi). MashAllah!
It starts around 05:30:00 give or take. He's drawing parallels between Ashraf Jalali and mirza... for what, just ego? If not, where is their academic rebuttal of the points raised?
Zero fear of Allah, playing with deen as if it's their slave girl! These people should hang their heads in shame!
These people think if you're Sayyid, the Shariah, 3aqidah Ahle Sunnat, shame, decency, integrity, etc. none of it is required for your salvation.
Sunni Sayyid scholars should also refute these people drunk on their real or perceived Sayyidness!
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Brother Barry
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And the rebounds and own goals have started for the Irfani and Jamaati tolla.
Chaman Zaman is overstepping again and will get a intellectual lashing if he actually step into a debate.
Brother Barry
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Yet he goes onto call the Sayyeds who are against him in Jalali sahibs camp as Dow number Sayyeds!
I wonder how he's going to foot the bill on that one.
We have not even touched on Shabaz Qamar rolling out his biggest hits: some of which he has already been refuted for. Emboldened by the patronage of Shah Sahib, he was basking in the showering of notes by his 'murshids' as he demarcated who are the 'Halali' and 'Haraami'.
Maslak Alahazrat
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shahnawazgm
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Has Pir Munawwar Bukhari himself done tawbah from applauding Iran Shah when he was giving all those galiyan to Dr Jalali's mother? For those who don't know just view that video where Munawwar Bukhari was raising his hands and waving the most when Iran Shah was going on with his accusations against a Muslim woman (Jalali sahib's mother). Where were the four witnesses?
Not to mention his younger brother, Sajjad, being present in Iran Shah's mehfils in the UK after he returned back from Pakistan.
How come all of a sudden he is acting as if he is some neutral party? The evidences from shariat have already been presented, we have the fatwa from Bareilly, so why is he still trying to deceive the public as if it is some internal jhagra amongst Sunnis? It is clearly rifd against Ahle Sunnat!
The Sunnis need to wake up against these jaali Pirs and all their ignorance.
Not to mention his younger brother, Sajjad, being present in Iran Shah's mehfils in the UK after he returned back from Pakistan.
How come all of a sudden he is acting as if he is some neutral party? The evidences from shariat have already been presented, we have the fatwa from Bareilly, so why is he still trying to deceive the public as if it is some internal jhagra amongst Sunnis? It is clearly rifd against Ahle Sunnat!
The Sunnis need to wake up against these jaali Pirs and all their ignorance.
Brother Barry
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Munawar Hussain Shah Bukhari has since removed this video after posting it on Facebook. I think Jamaati was alluding to his video @5:39:23 when he mentioned some people have a habit of coming on social media and making announcements, in answer to their announcements I have said he (Jalali sahib) has had the tofeeq for towba taken away from him bla bla bla bla.
Most likely Munawar Hussain Shah Bukhari has got the message that these rafizis aren't willing to sit and talk or de-escalate matters so he's removed it and taken his offer back.
Brother Barry
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Metaphorically speaking he's a lightweight in all this, he's most likely trying to do some damage limitation because folks on both sides ain't interested in him and that's going to be bad for the old hajj and umrah business.
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Brother Barry
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Shame they've got Hamza Ashrafi on stage, he's one of Iran Shahs cheerleaders. Poor boy doesn't know if he's coming or going.