Refuting liars online sho slander Imam Ahmed Rida Khan

[AlialHanafi]

Salaam Aleykum wa Rahmatullah

I've seen discussions on SunniPort about refutations and deviant groups on a regular basis, from criticism of those who tolerate and embrace others to even sharing stages with them while being unaware.

When Shahid Ali for example attacked Shaykh Asrar Rashid continuously a year ago, there was a lot to say online by this community, with some backing him, others criticising and the rest remaining neutral until more info.

But when it comes to deviants online slandering Imam Ahmed Rida Khan, his creed and his followers, it's disappointing to see how loud the crickets are. Every day more and more Sunnis outside the subcontinent are being fed lies about the Imam's aqeedah by being exposed to snippets and out of context statements from his works, posted by individuals from the Deobandi school for example. And there is no one to defend it.

How can this community expect Arabs and outsiders to stay away from Deobandi lies and their baatil aqeedah when no one does anything about it?

I've seen a lot of comments in recent months saying the work is being done online too, but every day on Twitter for example, which hundreds of thousands of laymen muslims are exposed to, lies are being told about the Imam and the Ridawis, and it goes unanswered.

More and more outsiders who view both to be Sunni groups are then being swayed to the other side because of allegations and slander, and no one is there to answer. Scans of the Imam's books are being posted. No one answers. There has maybe been only one account dealing with some lies, and that is underwhelming too.

Did the Imam do all this work for people to just rant and complain about others' mistakes? When will anyone actually stand up and defend the Imam and the Sunnis? Or is everyone here just fixated on a Molvi in Bradford who shared a stage with a Tafdili in 2017 who hasn't made taubah for it yet, and you demand a public clarification from him?

 

[AlialHanafi]

Lies after lies

https://twitter.com/x/status/1610992260174303233

Individuals like myself who didn't know of the Imam until 2 years ago are more concerned about answers.. Had I not seen the deception of the Deobandis at first and then come across this, things could've gone very differently.

There are people here equipped to deal with this. But lets focus on Asad Ali making jokes on Instagram stories.

 

[HASSAN]

This is the actual paragraph from Alahazrat with context (minus the deceptive cropping by the Deos)

 

[HASSAN]

Link to the book -
https://www.alahazratnetwork.org/download/aljurazuldayyani/

 

[AlialHanafi]

This is the actual paragraph from Alahazrat with context (minus the deceptive cropping by the Deos)

Now if only we had individuals who could do this and respond publicly

 

[HASSAN]

The Deo has now deleted his tweet.

Here's the screenshot to what he posted:

 

[Khanah]

Are these twitter accounts that you're speaking about famous or have a lot of followers? If not, you can't expect members here to be on twitter refuting the millions of imbeciles on social media.

The difference between someone with 0 following on social media and let's say Asad Ali:

1. Asad Ali has a wider reach so attention is given to those who spread wrong doing further rather than bilal whatshisface down the street

2. The reason why some of these tweets won't be refuted is because they are someone shouting into the void i.e the people capable of refuting don't even know they exist so how can they be expected to provide any response? Which links this to the first point above

3. In the case of Asad Ali, etc, they made whatever comments they did on social media. Posters brought those comments to SP where they were disussed. In the tweet you brought forth below, you have done the same thing... Brought it to SP where it was refuted immediately. Literally the same thing has happened on both occasions

I would also add that the people who actually have the knowledge to refute the trash on places like twitter are too busy to actually be on twitter in the first place. As it turns out, refutation requires knowledge and knowledge isn't easy to come by. If you feel there is a void, feel free to spend a few years studying with scholars and then start a twitter police force if you wish. The actual learned people have way too many other things that they need to get to first before they handle randoms on twitter. There are a lot of different needs which are not being fulfilled right now that will take precedence over this

 

[Hanafi Sunni]

Wa-aleykum salaam wa rahmatullah

Why don't you use this as an opportunity to earn some reward and start refuting them. I am sure you have the time to sit on twitter and deal with all these trollers.

online too

Online does not mean specifically on twitter. It refers to the internet as a whole. E.g. mawlana abu hasans projects and other sunni ulamas efforts.

this community

Are you excluded from "this" community?

only one account dealing with some lies, and that is underwhelming too.

Please name that account so that i too can follow it and gain some inspiration.

complain about others' mistakes?

Which mistakes? Whose mistakes. All matters discussed are equally important. We cant allow any aalim or student of deen to do as he wishes and pleases. This is the deen of Allah. Once is a mistake, but someone who is ignorant and continuously makes "mistakes" has to be corrected and warned about

When will anyone actually stand up and defend the Imam and the Sunnis

I am sure in sha Allah you will do a good job. Bismillah we all will follow through

Individuals like myself who didn't know of the Imam until 2 years ago

Yet suprisingly these very individuals know about which molvi in bradford sat with a tafzeeli in 2017. Yet 2 years ago they didnt know imam ARK. Ajeeb!

Please let our ulama do the work. Nobody is free to sit with deviants all day on TWITTER answering them when they fail to listen and are hell bent on speaking lies.

 

[HASSAN]

Some more 'supposed' refutations from this Deo.


He says Mufti Ahmad Yar Khan but it's not from him.

Another one

 

[HASSAN]

 

[Khanah]

I would say refuting people on twitter is also a bit of a backwards approach to spreading knowledge. How about we create an educated public who wouldn't fall for these tweets in the first place.

Additionally, it is not incumbent upon the knowledgeable people to do everything everywhere all at once. They can concentrate their efforts on other things and if no one is concentrating on twitter... Well, why should they? As long as they are doing other important things. It's similar to how people criticise dawat e islami for not refuting other sects, for example. But they're doing their part in other areas, leading the efforts in most departments. Should they also create a twitter task force or maybe shaykh asrar should or imam shahid? They've all got their hands full. The only people who aren't busy is the awaam like me- that's why we have time to get duped by people on twitter in the first place.

 

[AbdalQadir]

How about we create an educated public who wouldn't fall for these tweets in the first place.

it's not just deen or deeni education.

tweets, status updates and instant messaging (whatsapp, instagram, fb, tiktok etc.) are the order of the day, even for secular and worldly matters. that, and empty sloganeering be it with rafidi inclinations or rubbish liberalist 'logic' even among the worldly people and kuffar.

people have become miserable even with reading, writing and understanding work related emails.

books and reading are dying pursuits. within deeni context, i repeat my wish - pick 20 random 'Sunni' ulama and ask them to sit for an open book exam from a hard copy of Fatawa Ridawiyya and see how they do. some might scrape by with a software and search functionality.

the world is dumbing down at phenomenal levels, despite advances in technology and AI. cold war era propagandists will be so envious of the current world we live in.

 

[AlialHanafi]

Wa-aleykum salaam wa rahmatullah

Why don't you use this as an opportunity to earn some reward and start refuting them. I am sure you have the time to sit on twitter and deal with all these trollers.

Online does not mean specifically on twitter. It refers to the internet as a whole. E.g. mawlana abu hasans projects and other sunni ulamas efforts.

Are you excluded from "this" community?

Please name that account so that i too can follow it and gain some inspiration.

Which mistakes? Whose mistakes. All matters discussed are equally important. We cant allow any aalim or student of deen to do as he wishes and pleases. This is the deen of Allah. Once is a mistake, but someone who is ignorant and continuously makes "mistakes" has to be corrected and warned about

I am sure in sha Allah you will do a good job. Bismillah we all will follow through

Yet suprisingly these very individuals know about which molvi in bradford sat with a tafzeeli in 2017. Yet 2 years ago they didnt know imam ARK. Ajeeb!

Please let our ulama do the work. Nobody is free to sit with deviants all day on TWITTER answering them when they fail to listen and are hell bent on speaking lies.

Bismillah.

I would love to do so. Especially to defend an Aalim who I respect so much. But I am not one who does taqlid of him, nor do I have his works, nor have I studied them. And neither am I a student of knowledge or someone with excessive ilm. Many brothers here are.

You seem to fixate more on mistakes than saving people from baatil aqeedah. I wonder why that is?

It's also very strange how me voicing a concern for the laypeople leads you to more condescending comments of me doing a good job and encouraging me to refute, as if this isn't something I would have done if capable.

Yes, I wasn't aware of the Imam 2 years ago. That changes nothing about me pointing out examples of what people moan about on these forums with an exaggerated anecdote. I have no specific "tafdili problem" in mind when I say 2017.

I have simply been on this site long enough to know that this is something people are very vocal about.

Maybe some husn dhan next time before trying to be patronising? It would help. As for you waiting for Ulama to deal with everything. Continue to do so. Why use these forums to discuss anything at all if you leave everything on then shoulders of the Ulama?

Do you sit on SunniPort all day instead of on Twitter like you keep assuming?

 

[AlialHanafi]

Wa-aleykum salaam wa rahmatullah

Why don't you use this as an opportunity to earn some reward and start refuting them. I am sure you have the time to sit on twitter and deal with all these trollers.

Online does not mean specifically on twitter. It refers to the internet as a whole. E.g. mawlana abu hasans projects and other sunni ulamas efforts.

Are you excluded from "this" community?

Please name that account so that i too can follow it and gain some inspiration.

Which mistakes? Whose mistakes. All matters discussed are equally important. We cant allow any aalim or student of deen to do as he wishes and pleases. This is the deen of Allah. Once is a mistake, but someone who is ignorant and continuously makes "mistakes" has to be corrected and warned about

I am sure in sha Allah you will do a good job. Bismillah we all will follow through

Yet suprisingly these very individuals know about which molvi in bradford sat with a tafzeeli in 2017. Yet 2 years ago they didnt know imam ARK. Ajeeb!

Please let our ulama do the work. Nobody is free to sit with deviants all day on TWITTER answering them when they fail to listen and are hell bent on speaking lies.

Bismillah.

I would love to do so. Especially to defend an Aalim who I respect so much. But I am not one who does taqlid of him, nor do I have his works, nor have I studied them. And neither am I a student of knowledge or someone with excessive ilm. Many brothers here are.

You seem to fixate more on mistakes than saving people from baatil aqeedah. I wonder why that is?

It's also very strange how me voicing a concern for the laypeople leads you to more condescending comments of me doing a good job and encouraging me to refute, as if this isn't something I would have done if capable.

Yes, I wasn't aware of the Imam 2 years ago. That changes nothing about me pointing out examples of what people moan about on these forums with an exaggerated anecdote. I have no specific "tafdili problem" in mind when I say 2017.

I have simply been on this site long enough to know that this is something people are very vocal about.

Maybe some husn dhan next time before trying to be patronising? It would help. As for you waiting for Ulama to deal with everything. Continue to do so. Why use these forums to discuss anything at all if you leave everything on then shoulders of the Ulama?

Do you sit on SunniPort all day instead of on Twitter like you keep assuming?

Are these twitter accounts that you're speaking about famous or have a lot of followers? If not, you can't expect members here to be on twitter refuting the millions of imbeciles on social media.

The difference between someone with 0 following on social media and let's say Asad Ali:

1. Asad Ali has a wider reach so attention is given to those who spread wrong doing further rather than bilal whatshisface down the street

2. The reason why some of these tweets won't be refuted is because they are someone shouting into the void i.e the people capable of refuting don't even know they exist so how can they be expected to provide any response? Which links this to the first point above

3. In the case of Asad Ali, etc, they made whatever comments they did on social media. Posters brought those comments to SP where they were disussed. In the tweet you brought forth below, you have done the same thing... Brought it to SP where it was refuted immediately. Literally the same thing has happened on both occasions

I would also add that the people who actually have the knowledge to refute the trash on places like twitter are too busy to actually be on twitter in the first place. As it turns out, refutation requires knowledge and knowledge isn't easy to come by. If you feel there is a void, feel free to spend a few years studying with scholars and then start a twitter police force if you wish. The actual learned people have way too many other things that they need to get to first before they handle randoms on twitter. There are a lot of different needs which are not being fulfilled right now that will take precedence over this

Yes, they have a lot of followers and infiltrate spaces and communities of Sunnis not from the subcontinent to feed them poison.

You know, the same ones you want to warn about the deception of the Deobandis.

Asad Ali making some mistakes and everyone screaming on about it is precisely why I mentioned him. Nobody is saying he is free from being corrected or does not require it especially considering his audience. But to defend your creed against lies and attempting to save laymen from falling into traps of ahlul bid'ah is something that very few are willing to do.

I have said what I needed to say. I am not from this Barelwi community, yet the Barelwis are my brothers and I have much love for Imam Ahmad Rida Khan. I simply came on as a concerned brother who does not want thousands more falling victim.

If you want to leave everything to pretending its 1890 and the internet does not exist to the point where lies online should not be countered with a good presence, go ahead. This is where other groups are excelling.

InshaAllah make Dua for my studies and ilm. Maybe I can set up an online police force just like this SunniPort squad you have where you pretend there is a need for commentary on mistakes of others by people "too busy to refute twitter randomers".

 

[Unbeknown]

https://twitter.com/xMxhammad

account no longer exists.

curious curious curious

it seems that the account was fake to begin with - created merely to make a point
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I went there on a hunch - since all pics posted here are from within just past few days. lo and behold! the account has disappeared - why?

should we believe that the supposed devvie guy got so scared out of his wits - now that sunniport had taken up his case - that he deleted entire years' worth of juicy propaganda?

or is there a more prosaic explanation?

could it just be, well how should I put it, that some speech-maker who has recently been chastised on sunniport, he himself or his acolytes, created a fake account and put anti-sunni content on it - then a couple of his pals strutted in here to lecture us on how we got our priorities all messed up - even being so helpful as to post a "refutation" (here instead of Twitter, mind you) - then quickly deleted the account after taking a few screen shots?

that's amusing to say the least ...


p.s: I have edited out the person I had named, as it was bad form. Since I am merely guessing out loud, it's better not to name anyone. mea culpa.

 

[Hanafi Sunni]

And neither am I a student of knowledge

ok

make Dua for my studies and ilm

so you aren't a student but also a student. Great!

how me voicing a concern for the laypeople leads you to more condescending

nothing is condescending. you just look like a troll, who is coming here and imposing on others to sit on Twitter to refute Bots.

fixate more on mistakes than saving people from baatil aqeedah

To seek knowledge is fard upon every person. To learn about the correct islamic beliefs is also fard. If people choose to sit on twitter all day without trying to seek knowledge, thats their own loss. where did i say we should not learn about our deen and sit find mistakes of people?

Maybe some husn dhan next time before trying to be patronising

ah so getting emotional now. all i just did was ask you a few question because you genuinely seem to make no sense, come here and want people to sit on social media and waste time.

Do you sit on SunniPort all day instead of on Twitter like you keep assuming?

OMG. I cant deal with with trolls like you

created a fake account

this looked fake from the onset. just one day ago someone creates an ibnzaid account and comes to back alialhanafi. such cheap tactics (use likes) to come back themselves up are usually seen on twitter, where we see people create numerous accounts to boost their own account (with likes and retweets).

Replying to a certain post on this forum does not mean somebody is good at refuting. Even serious students of knowledge aren't skilled at refutations (as we see on youtube how our ulama resort to slander rather than making ilmi points). Therefor if any mistake were to happen while arguing with these disrespectful deos they would screenshot it and further mock the imam.

Skilled ulama themselves sometimes make mistakes while reading alahazrat so how can we expect certain brothers here, to randomly start using the imams works, to refute these fake accounts. The margin of error on our side would be greater, which will give them more opportunities to be successful in their propaganda.

 

[AlialHanafi]

https://twitter.com/xMxhammad

account no longer exists.

curious curious curious

it seems that the account was fake to begin with - created merely to make a point
-----

I went there on a hunch - since all pics posted here are from within just past few days. lo and behold! the account has disappeared - why?

should we believe that the supposed devvie guy got so scared out of his wits - now that sunniport had taken up his case - that he deleted entire years' worth of juicy propaganda?

or is there a more prosaic explanation?

could it just be, well how should I put it, that some speech-maker who has recently been chastised on sunniport, he himself or his acolytes, created a fake account and put anti-sunni content on it - then a couple of his pals strutted in here to lecture us on how we got our priorities all messed up - even being so helpful as to post a "refutation" (here instead of Twitter, mind you) - then quickly deleted the account after taking a few screen shots?

that's amusing to say the least ...


p.s: I have edited out the person I had named, as it was bad form. Since I am merely guessing out loud, it's better not to name anyone. mea culpa.

I've heard of conspiracy theories and people with tin-foil hats but this definitely takes the number one spot.

An account as an example was shared and because the account was refuted and deactivated, you speculate and accuse concerned individuals of faking the entire thing? Such good akhlaq.

The account is a well known one and tends to do this. In fact the cheerleaders of Deobandis that supported it by sharing and retweeting are very well known in the Muslim community on the platform, I'll share it with you when the account is back and maybe then you can speculate whether I am faking all of these accounts and accuse me of spreading anti-Sunni content.

It was advised for brothers here to fixate more on defending Sunni creed and instead we have people assuming fake accounts are being made to criticise SunniPort.

Mind you, the only reason I requested more to get involved in refuting deviants is because I've seen knowledgable brothers on here capable of doing so who have the sound aqeedah.

Assume more if you wish. If you still think I'm a troll let us exchange numbers or meet over a cup of coffee face to face and I'll happily go over everything as a brother.

 

[AlialHanafi]

ok

so you aren't a student but also a student. Great!

nothing is condescending. you just look like a troll, who is coming here and imposing on others to sit on Twitter to refute Bots.


To seek knowledge is fard upon every person. To learn about the correct islamic beliefs is also fard. If people choose to sit on twitter all day without trying to seek knowledge, thats their own loss. where did i say we should not learn about our deen and sit find mistakes of people?

ah so getting emotional now. all i just did was ask you a few question because you genuinely seem to make no sense, come here and want people to sit on social media and waste time.

OMG. I cant deal with with trolls like you

this looked fake from the onset. just one day ago someone creates an ibnzaid account and comes to back alialhanafi. such cheap tactics (use likes) to come back themselves up are usually seen on twitter, where we see people create numerous accounts to boost their own account (with likes and retweets).

Replying to a certain post on this forum does not mean somebody is good at refuting. Even serious students of knowledge aren't skilled at refutations (as we see on youtube how our ulama resort to slander rather than making ilmi points). Therefor if any mistake were to happen while arguing with these disrespectful deos they would screenshot it and further mock the imam.

Skilled ulama themselves sometimes make mistakes while reading alahazrat so how can we expect certain brothers here, to randomly start using the imams works, to refute these fake accounts. The margin of error on our side would be greater, which will give them more opportunities to be successful in their propaganda.

No I am not a student of knowledge. I asked for Ad'iyah so I can begin studying. Try reading between the lines brother. It's really not that hard.

No one imposed anything on others. It was a request to focus more where work is required. But sure, call everything a troll.

You see refuting deviants and helping people find themselves more confident in their creed as a waste of time but here you are trying to outsmarten a so-called troll on forums. Does it sound logical in your head or is it just me who sees the irony?

A new account liking my posts means what I said was fake and I am a troll.

Or... another concerned brother also supported the idea of asking members of SunniPort for help and decided to make an account to support the idea put forward.

But ofcourse your speculations and tin-foil seems to take more of an effect. The offer for you to call me to verify whether I am a troll or not is up for grabs too.

I can't believe this is the response a simple request to get more involved online got. From "don't waste time" to assuming concerned Sunni brothers are trolls and faking accounts with anti-Sunni content to have a go at conspiracy theorists on SunniPort.

 

[AlialHanafi]

I just realised I got accused of being Asad and his pals

 

[ibnzaid]

السلام عليكم

just one day ago someone creates an ibnzaid account and comes to back alialhanafi

it is true, i did make this account for this thread even though i do regularly keep upto date with sunniport. may Allah bless the brothers involved with this site as they have a lot of beneficial content.

however i personally wanted to get involved with this thread because we do need more of a sunni (more specifically barelwi) presence on twitter.

many lay muslims take their ilm mainly from twitter and twitter is dominated by deviant sects.

and since deviant sects lie about alahazrat, many laymen have this negative idea of alahazrat in their heads which then leads them to speak against us barelwis

my sincere suggestion: the time our ulama/learned people spend on other social medias such as facebook should be transferred to twitter as a tweet has a far greater reach than a facebook post