Fazail of the stage

AbdalQadir

AbdalQadir

time to move along! will check pm's.

Just accidentally ran into this shameful, appalling talk by Owais raza where he hints at the Shar3i requirements of deserving to be on stage and very cleverly says that the stage should only be big enough for naatkhwan and 1 or 2 chief guests - all because he's agitated at the stage breaking.

Why the naatkhwan?

Are naatkhwans counted as equal to aalims?

What about qaaris who can read the Quran beautifully? Are they more important than naatkhwans who can't pronounce Arabic letters?

Of course some people have naturally beautiful voices and also train their voices, but does that make them better than a common guy (as Owais Raza implies) who reads naats in his own tune with reverence- all else considered same?

As for the chief guest (mehman-e-khusoosi), what are the shar3i requirements of being a chief guest? He didn't seem to elaborate.

who should the chief guest be? a cricketer? a firebrand scholar who doesn't offer any knowledge based substance? a rich businessman who funded the whole gathering? who...?

This is the fault of us awam - for treating naatkhwans as halal rock stars, that they get so arrogant. Notwithstanding ulama who couldn't care less for knowledge - and now these naatkhwans are threatening their own statuses, and these sloppy ulama deserve it, for letting knowledge and learning take a back seat.

I think naatkhwani should be declared a banned profession. Gatherings should only invite random people from the audiences to recite manaqib and salat-o-salam.
 
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AbdalQadir said:
I think naatkhwani should be declared a banned profession. Gatherings should only invite random people from the audiences to recite manaqib and salat-o-salam.
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although it isn't likely to happen - I strongly second that wish.

for one thing, we must remember that a lot of what goes on in the world today is a farcical enactment of what doesn't exist i.e. everything is, more or less, a drama for regaling the masses.

I think it won't be too far-fetched to say that humanity as a whole is lower than it has ever been.

In such circumstances, many of these celebrities and influencers perform the very desirable task of keeping people distracted from the real issues.

If anything, far from banning, I expect the governments to actually sponsor more events where people can exhaust their religious fervor in swaying and waving hands and taking selfies with whoever is the latest "sensation".

Keep 'em stupified, keep 'em stupid.
 
Unbeknown said:
If anything, far from banning, I expect the governments to actually sponsor more events where people can exhaust their religious fervor in swaying and waving hands and taking selfies with whoever is the latest "sensation".

Keep 'em stupified, keep 'em stupid.
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Someone learned said the same to me years ago: maybe the UK gives them visas so easily because they want us to remain in a trance and delusion.
 
AbdalQadir said:
think naatkhwani
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Would be more apt to say 'celebrity naath khwani'.

A key point to remember not all naath khwans are ignorant and layman's. Someone like owaise qadri is quiet knowledgeable. His got good qiraat and recitation skills too.
Certain naathkhwans like Hafiz Ghulam mustafa are even completing darsi nizami and studying.

Brothers won't like this but the reality is that most of naath khwans especially from Pakistan are groomed in dawate islami. many DI naaths reciters have left DI and started private programs.
 
some old posts from 2008, when it was an unpopular opinion.

https://sunniport.com/index.php?threads/charging-for-deeni-khidmaat.4998/#post-13473

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this one from 2005
https://sunniport.com/index.php?threads/owais-qadri-website.1731/#post-1954

https://sunniport.com/index.php?threads/interview-with-sami-yusuf-excellent.5347/#post-14678

https://sunniport.com/index.php?threads/owais-qadri.12054/#post-49003

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repost:

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HASSAN said:
Nanotwi’s Great Grandson
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galloping gargoyles!!

this person became famous via QTv - and for this very recitation - I have never seen him recite anything else. And back in the day, anything on QTv was "sunni" - or so the assumption went.

This has gotta be the bonkerest revelation for me in quite a while.
 
abu Hasan said:
notice that he never recites any naat of alahazrat, even though, none of the naats he recites reach 1/1000th of the level of erudition, love, meaningfulness, artistic excellence of any of alahazrat naats.

siddiq ismail
yusuf memon
khurshid ahmed

are all sunnis.
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In one newspaper, his interview was published. He was asked which naat writers he likes and he mentioned many but didn't mention Alahazrat.
 
HASSAN said:
My reaction was the same when I found out
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i learned that he was not a sunni back in the 90s when he was famous and we avoided his naats as a rule. the qasmi appellation was known to used by graduates of deoband, just like misbahi is a title taken by grads of ashrafia mubarakpur - so it looked like he was associated with deos on the face of it, though we did not have any details.

i do not know whether his qasmi title/surname is due to his family or affiliation to madrasah of devband.

when we have highly talented naat khwans like owais (in spite of our criticisms) and others - with poetry that is magic, who wants to listen to him?
 
Not defending Qari Waheed Zafar here, but where is your reference for him being Deobandi? Because the Qasmi appellation in Pakistan doesn't always apply to someone who is Deobandi or from Nanotwi's lineage.

For example, Shaykh Ghulam Rasool Qasmi sahab (hafizahullah ta'ala) uses the 'Qasmi' appellation since he's bay'at to Pir Muhammad Qasim Mashori (Larkana, Sindh)

Qari Waheed's biography states his family migrated from UP, India, so there's definitely suspicion there.

As an aside, I came across this video from 2022 where he mentions the naat he recited which got him entry into the roza sharif. [Longer video with his explanation of Qaseedah Burdah here]. Interestingly from this video, you can see that he now has a beard (albeit not fist length, but at least better than clean shaven) and the gumbad sharif of AlaHazrat's mazaar in the back. Not saying any of this is proof for his 'qabooliyat' or Sunniyyat, just an observation. Also, if anyone on this forum is in Pakistan and can contact him to find out about his aqeedah, that would put some of this to rest. Maybe he became Sunni or never was Deobandi?

Allahu 'alam
 
abu Hasan said:
these were cassettes - memories of mid-nineties.
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Wow, 1993 - before I was even born. That explains why his voice carries such a distinct timbre compared to today. The selection of kalams [intikhab e kalam] in this particular album is amazing too.

I think many would concur that there is no one on par with Owais Qadiri when it comes to combining sheer vocal mastery with a nuanced understanding of Alahazrat’s poetry.
 
eeman hai qaal e mustafai in this album is amazing.

while owais learned to control his breath later - you can notice that mushtaq bhai's breathing is not heard in his naat, and especially the iman hai qaal e mustafai, which hits high notes without you noticing how he breathes.


AMQadiri said:
but where is your reference for him being Deobandi? Because the Qasmi appellation in Pakistan doesn't always apply to someone who is Deobandi or from Nanotwi's lineage.
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quite possible. but back in the 90s, just hearsay and assumptions would work. that was the milieu in which we grew up and we didn't pay much attention. if he is not a deobandi, i would be glad about it as many people like his naats.

i have no researched info about him being a deobandi or being descended from nanotwi.

Allah ta'ala knows best.
 
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