Shaykh Asrar debates Nooruddin

Pai Asrar and the young kids did a good job in exposing Noor.

Noor needs to go back to the classroom
 
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This guy nooruddin seems to be the kashmiri (if he is) version of piers Morgan- dumb as a rock and incredibly deceptive with no bone of integrity.
 
Unrelated but Is there any way to access the resources that were shared on the Telegram channel 'Reality of Deobandis,' since it appears to have been deleted
 
AbdalQadir said:
This guy nooruddin seems to be the kashmiri (if he is) version of piers Morgan- dumb as a rock and incredibly deceptive with no bone of integrity.
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Not sure if he is Kashmiri but he is highly rated by Shaykh Samir. Both Noor and Asrar Sahib are Ustad Pais

Noor needs to follow the advice of the Shaykh and put his hands up and say I do not know.

 
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now that he has ostentatiously declared that he is interested in "defending the Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam", brothers must hand over a printed excerpt of devbandi blasphemies and ask if these statements are kufr or not? if it is proven that the person said this, does he become kafir or not?

very simple. if he doesn't respond, he is a shameless hypocrite.

why, he can take a saying from a book written centuries ago, attributed to a personality who lived even more centuries ago, and from a language he cannot understand and begin dishing out a fatwa of kufr - why can't he do the same with devbandi blasphemies?

devbandi blasphemies are in urdu - and english translations available. but will nooruddin show his "i don't care..." attitude?

scared nooruddin? scared that zameel {the devil} will come after you?
 
abu Hasan said:
now that he has ostentatiously declared that he is interested in "defending the Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam", brothers must hand over a printed excerpt of devbandi blasphemies and ask if these statements are kufr or not? if it is proven that the person said this, does he become kafir or not?
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Yes, totally agree with this seeing how he's come across as a 'defender'.
 
Shaykh Asrar didn't want it live streamed. It was Nooruddin who did, chasing clout.

 
And if Shaykh Asrar showed anger, it's because a 45 year old molwi, who is a Sidi with a fake smile, fake adab, on fake unity vibe, is clout chasing by doing a live to bully a 17 year old and doing takfir of him.

Bey-Noor could have ruined the young student by doing this stunt. It's good Shaykh Asrar was there and did what he did although Hasan himself was more than capable of disposing of the sulh.
 
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Aqdas said:
And if Shaykh Asrar showed anger, it's because a 45 year old molwi, who is a Sidi with a fake smile, fake adab, on fake unity vibe, is clout chasing by doing a live to bully a 17 year old and doing takfir of him.
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Pai Asrar needs to learn his lesson and stop hanging out with these idiots.
 
abu Hasan said:
now that he has ostentatiously declared that he is interested in "defending the Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam", brothers must hand over a printed excerpt of devbandi blasphemies and ask if these statements are kufr or not? if it is proven that the person said this, does he become kafir or not?

very simple. if he doesn't respond, he is a shameless hypocrite.

why, he can take a saying from a book written centuries ago, attributed to a personality who lived even more centuries ago, and from a language he cannot understand and begin dishing out a fatwa of kufr - why can't he do the same with devbandi blasphemies?

devbandi blasphemies are in urdu - and english translations available. but will nooruddin show his "i don't care..." attitude?

scared nooruddin? scared that zameel {the devil} will come after you?
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I think he has condemned 3 statements of the deobandi akabir already. it's part of the video that started this whole thing off.
 
Ibby AH said:
I think he has condemned 3 statements of the deobandi akabir already. it's part of the video that started this whole thing off.
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Not sure he went quite as far as affirming the kufr of the individuals but seems to recall him saying the statements were bad etc. I'd be interested to know whether he conducted that same WhatsApp exercise with Deobandi Muftis, students etc and whether they took the same line as us usman of bradford with Mufti Bandylawi of defending the statements.
 
Aurangzeb said:
Not sure he went quite as far as affirming the kufr of the individuals but seems to recall him saying the statements were bad etc. I'd be interested to know whether he conducted that same WhatsApp exercise with Deobandi Muftis, students etc and whether they took the same line as us usman of bradford with Mufti Bandylawi of defending the statements.
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Yes he does seem very focussed on the Barelwis for some reason. I don't think he has gone to the same extent for the Deobandis.


You are right, he didn't affirm kufr for the individuals - he said the statements are abhorrent and shouldn't be explained and it's wrong.
 
Nooruddin's clarification

He seems to suggest that Hasan first tried to 'defend' the statement by not translating it and instead adding his own explanation that 'it was a spiritual state'. He then concludes that this amounts to Hasan 'justifying the statement', then changing tact in the 'debate'.
 
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