nooruddin slandering alahazrat

abu Hasan

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in a clip a jahil asks another jahil questions. and the jahil replies without knowledge as said in the hadith - that there will come a time when ignorance is widespread; and people will ask juhalaa/ignoramuses and they will answer in spite of their lack of knowledge. [hadith restated].

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the general answer to this is that alahazrat mentioned the analogy of a pig taking a walk in the park.

the park may have beautiful and fragrant flowers, nice curated lawns, and lush trees with shades and tasty fruit.
the pig is not concerned with it, nor does it enjoy anything delicate or beautiful in it. it keeps looking for something filthy or dirty to satisfy its desire. if it happens to chance upon a puddle or a small cesspool, it will happily jump into it and wallow in it - because the poor pig can only see what it can relish. have you ever heard of a pig enjoying the fragrance of flowers and admire the scenery?

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alahazrat wrote nearly a thousand books - many of them without precedent. what is a half-pence jahil like nooruddin? towering ulama and hadith masters like imam yusuf al-nab'hani, imam ja'afar al-kattani, shaykh abdu'l hayy al-kattani, the son of shaykh badruddin al-hasani apart from the leading scholars of haramayn acknowledged his mastery of the sciences.

initially, the devbandis had gloated that these were only names and there was nothing in reality. the lying slanderer ihsan ilahi, whose shameless lies modern detractors regurgitate, also dismissed them as fiction propagated by alahazrat's followers. at that time, it was painful for sunnis as they were taunted by mubtadiys. al-Hamdulillah, by the effort of our ulama - sunnis produced the proof - and how! alHamdulillah, nearly 300 of these books are published now and most are on ridawi.org. and the supplementary work on alahzrat's work reaches nearly 2000 works.

in his fatawa alone, he has mentioned numerous hadith. suppose one or two or some are weak or fabricated ones - is it enough to throw away his entire corpus? Allah ta'ala has commanded us to be just. i do not think clowns making videos are sincere - and if they fear Allah, they should ask themselves with Allah as their judge - is this right?

as imam shafiyi has said, the euphrates will not be dirtied, if on a fine day, a mangy cur decides to put its mouth or urinate in the river. let nooruddin write a scholarly refutation of any of alahazrat's books instead of licking the spittle of a zindiq from pakistan - mirza engineer or recycle his objections, which ulama have already answered. at least be original in your hatred.

i could list down the extensiveness of imam ahmad rida's knowledge - enemies and jealous people will ignore or keep trying to find faults in his books. alahazrat's versatility and expertise in multiple disciplines is a joy to behold - we have been fortunate to bring a glimpse of it in the form of his khutbahs and commentaries of his beautiful lines. going by the quality of his discourse, i doubt nooruddin will be able to produce a fraction of a thousandth of his work - no one may even remember his name six months after he is dead - alahazrat's work continues to illuminate and educate more than hundred years after his passing. look at the creativity of imam ahmad rida which we have put on posters (and more will come) - and all his enemies can manage is cackle like a bunch of hyenas.

حَسَدوا الفَتى إِذ لَم يَنالوا سَعيهُ
فَالقَومُ أَعداءٌ لَهُ وَخُصومُ


hasadu'l fataa idh lam yanaalu sa'a-yahuu
fa'l qawmu a'adaaun lahu wa khusuumu


they envied the man, as they could not attain what he has achieved
therefore people became his enemies and fought with him (or opponents)


where is keller? keller was humiliated and i believe it was because of his slander of a waliy of Allah (i believe alahazrat is a wali and so do numerous sunnis). look at tahir - the shameless hypocrite's lies were caught by swine-eating christians on live TV. such humiliation!

remember:

من عادى لي وليا فقد آذنته بالحرب


aql hoti toh khuda say na laDa'i letay
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buffoons on skits will not sully the reputation of ulama whose erudition is acknowledged and available to see.

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coming to mawlana ilyas qadri. he started a movement to teach laypeople basic aqidah and the everyday fiqh. so also offshoots such as SDI and other such grassroots movements. look at the millions of people who pray 5 times a day, learn basic masayil of their everyday needs - the thousands of madrasahs, online classes, and madrasahs, masjids, and charitable activities.

are DI, SDI etc perfect?
no.

should we support and defend everything they do ?
no.

do they have problems and issues with their organisations?
yes.

but you should take each case and refute that one, instead of picking on one clip by ilyas qadri and heh-heh-heh they are not "ashiq e rasul" - from where did nooruddin al-ahmaq get this knowledge that they are not? according to his own standards, isn't he arrogant and acting like he is a prophet?

according these two incompetent clowns - all of the work dawat e islami has done is useless and mawlana ilyas qadri is etc etc. as they describe him for one mistake in a clip of few seconds.

of course, we do not support that mistake. mawlana ilyas should not have said that. i am not justfying that. however, in his defence, he might have read in a book which he trusted and innocently repeated it. so all the work that mawlana ilyas did was laid to waste? if not, then why make a song and dance about it. just say that it is wrong and move on - instead of judging his entire life on the basis of one or two mistakes.

and nooruddin the hypocrite sheds crocodile tears on the 'extremism' of 'barelwis'.

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disclaimer: there may be mistakes here and there - everyone makes mistakes. only petty minds will make a scene out of it - because they have very little to offer. you may say that i did the same with his slip - i have clarified that if it were just a slip, i would have ignored it. i had to call it out because nooruddin tried to promote himself by disparaging imam abu hanifah. otherwise, i do not even bother about such silly fools.

astaghfirullah.
 
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i picked out the first 19 minutes of garbage in the clip where nooruddin slanders alahazrat and tries his best to belittle him.



relevant clips from the conversation of two ignoramuses:

1.03 jahil questioner (JQ):
he related back to the prophet sallALlahu alayhi wa sallam, when in fact it is a fabrication.

1.32 JQ:
used some fabrications in his book.

1.54
hadith mawduu: a fabricated hadith; this is a narration you can find somewhere in some hadith books. and it has a chain but in the chain, there is a liar or a fabricator. that hadith, the hadith scholar say: 'this is a fabrication, this is a lie against the prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam'

you actually have something worse than that which is called: hadith "laa asla lahu" bi dooni asl .. ok.

the hadith "la asla lahu" in english is a baseless hadith. that is the hadith you can't find in the original works.

you can't even find a chain for. now, it doesn't sound as bad as fabricated. baseless, does not necessarily sound as bad as fabricated. but it is actually worse. because with the fabricated hadith, you find it somewhere, it's got a chain but the chain is fabricated.

this one is just like - it is made it up - just can't find it anywhere, just made it up. and it is extremely sinful, extremely sinful to make up lies against the prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam.


at 8.22:
and in this book, he mentions something about fairies.
[nooru giggles]
i heard about tooth fairy, but i don't know why fairy this is. but anyways the question is asked.

9.57 nooru:
first of all lets just check the translation - he translated it as fairy..pari?

compere:
yeah the translation says fairy.

nooru:
ok and this translation is by dawat e islami.

yeah so nobody can come back to us and say you mistranslated it. you mistranslated alahazrat. he said pari, and you translated fairy. don't speak to us. this is the translation of the devoted followers of ahmad khan barelwi, the dawate islamis.

10.24
don't blame us for translating pari as fairies.

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jahil responder's self promotion at 12.00. ad break.


12.27:
not only when they are live cause i said you can make a bit of an excuse when the ...is live...a bit of an excuse...but..

12.35
but when it is written you don't have much of an excuse left now.

he is supposed to be this great muhaddith, he should know that this imam abdar rahman ibn al jawzi, in his book al-mawDu'aat, mentioned this in that book as one of the fabrications. not only did he say that hadha hadithun muhaal, this is impossible.

just any person who is to read that hadith - you don't need to be a scholar. i am not saying he should reject it right away


a jahil person would do that. a person at the beginning of the study would do that. but this great scholar - as far as they are concerned - has no concern, he is just narrating it.


JQ 13:18:
i mean i have to give it to the guy who has put it on the footnotes that he accepts that it is a fabricated hadith. and he left alahazrat's reply over there. he left it.


at 16.19 the jahil ghabi saith:
even mawlana ilyas qadri in this - i will make a bit more of an excuse for him. for he is speaking live. he is still wrong, ok. but he is speaking live. it is terrible. it is wrong. if i were to hear a hadith like that i guess the first thing that would come to my mind: 'i need to check it" but at least he is saying it live. he should correct himself.

but what excuse does ahmad rida khan have? this is written.


16.48
but let me finish this off, imam abdar rahman ibn al-jawzi: he said that it is fabricated. imam al dhahabi quoted imam abdar rahman ibn al jawzi and he also mentioned this fabrication and he with his explanation. imam ibn hajar al asqalani raHimahullahu ta'ala he has mentioned in the footnotes i believe he also spoke of the fabricated nature of this. even imam al suyuti - a lot of people love to use imam suyuti when it comes to sufi stuff, he even conveyed this. and imam al-shawkani. these are some scholars i came across.

this is a complete fabrication. one of the problems people say oh its in this book its in this book it is found in this book, if you know anything about the science of hadith, just because some hadith is found in some book, even if it is an early book, it doesn't make it authentic.

17.40
the scholars have been speaking of hadith fabrications from almost the beginning of the collection of hadith. so yes, sub'HanAllah, this is shocking. you know why it is so shocking becasue even an average muslim would say that "i need to check this hadith"

18.11
at the very least say hold on i have to check...and this great scholar, no checks whatsoever.

[look at the glee with which he jeers as if a homeless beggar starving for a week has found out at half-pence]
 
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what a vulgar display of ignorance! poor fellow nooruddin, tries to masquerade as some hadith scholar, but falls flat on his face on simple things.

according to NR, one can be excused if it is live - because he builds the argument to absolve himself, which he does close to the end. however, he ignored that it was not citing the hadith that was problematic, but the conclusion and the grandstanding and the ego trip which NR cleverly ignored. for shame.

this thing about people making a slip in live talks - i have said this myself many times in the past. and i agree with nooruddin here as well. i granted him that excuse in his slip even before he claimed it for himself. check the other thread.

we will examine other things later, in sha'Allah, but one of the most important things about malfuz and this narration.

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what is malfuz? it is similar to what we see in arabic as amaali, dictations of scholars.

unlike amaali, where a scholar dictates or annotates something, malfuz is a discussion of scholarly topics in an informal setting.
however, LIKE amaali, it is written down by one of those present in the gathering.

both amali and malfuz are similar to an informal Q/A session in a private gathering, where the scholar answers briefly and cites from memory.

not only when they are live cause i said you can make a bit of an excuse when the ...is live...a bit of an excuse...but..

but when it is written you don't have much of an excuse left now.

for he is speaking live. he is still wrong, ok. but he is speaking live.

but what excuse does ahmad rida khan have? this is written.

both the morons did not realise that malfuz is the same as a live conversation - except that a video captures everything exactly as was said, but the scribe can mix it up or add something or omit something as he is writing down a live conversation.

try inscribing any video without hitting rewind to listen again. use a pen and paper and begin writing down what nooruddin says, and then go back to check - there will obviously be gaps and misses.

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the first thing is that in a majlis/gathering, alahazrat was asked about pari/fairies being muslims. he said: 'yes'.

notice the remark of the scribe: "in the same discussion he mentioned" [vol.1 p.12]

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which indicates that something was being discussed and a narration was said. it is quite probable that the imam would have said: "even though it is a mawdu hadith, it has been mentioned that..." there is no proof that the imam cited it as an authentic or even a dayif hadith as NR insists:
a person at the beginning of the study would do that. but this great scholar - as far as they are concerned - has no concern, he is just narrating it.

a muslim with basic manners should have husn zann of other muslims, especially of scholars. and on what basis does nooruddin claim that he "narrated it". even the scribe did not say that he narrated the "hadith". it was just mentioned inter alia perhaps. and since such a hadith has no bearing on haram halal or aqidah, it was simply recorded as said without insisting it to be a hadith or disregarding its being mawDuu.

but when one is bent on vilifying someone, such concerns as husn zann will not apply. and the punishment of vilifying awliya is instant. we will see how stupid nooruddin sounds in his own self-contradictory proclamations.

the other small difference any beginner student of hadith would know is between: 'narrating' and 'citing'. if imam ahmad rida really mentioned a chain and said, "i narrate..." it would be narrating a hadith. here, it is most appropriate - and fair - to call it as 'citing a hadith'.

if a donkey imagines itself to be a lion, let it be. the braying will betray its reality.

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secondly, the book was written by mufti azam hind in 1338 AH. he began making notes in gatherings and wrote down as much as he could. though he went on to become a great mufti and imam, at that time he was only 28 and it is possible that it escaped his notice that it was a fabricated hadith. and no one brought it to his attention, and it remained without comment.


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even if you insist that imam ahmad rida khan cited it as a hadith, what harm does it do his stature as a muhaddith?

but what excuse does ahmad rida khan have? this is written.
 
first of all lets just check the translation - he translated it as fairy..pari?
don't blame us for translating pari as fairies.
i don't understand why he giggles and beside himself with glee. what is wrong with pari being translated as fairy?

this happens with people with very little knowledge and they are so full of themselves, that they do not realise that there is a world of knowledge out there. for your edification:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parī

the closest in english for a pari is fairy. cackling in an english accent will not make you a shakespeare.

however, in urdu, pari is used as a female for jinn - and used in a pair as in: jinn-pari. in arabic it is jinniyah. in the same clip mawlana ilyas also mentions it as a jinni (i.e. female jinn).

in english, there is no equivalent of jinn - but fairies do. nooruddin acts as if it is sacrilege. we await his next video: "ahmad rida khan's blasphemy that he called a jinniyyah a pari and his followers translated to fairy. don't blame us. don't blame us. don't blame us..."


ok and this translation is by dawat e islami.
as usual, both morons have never read the original, nor the complete translation. they picked it up from either a devbandi video or mirza zindiq's ravings and like faithful lick-spittles regurgitate this thing. the translation is not by dawate islami. though it is by a sunni aalim and khalifah of mufti aazam.

is it fair to castigate someone on the basis of a translation? even if the translation was by their followers? how can you attribute to someone a position who passed away 100 years ago, on the basis of a translation 100 years after his passing?

this is to demonstrate that the morons do not understand basics of refutation or analysis. the idiots are drunk up on their own greatness and do not realise the simple mistakes they make.

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if pettiness had a face...

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he related back to the prophet sallALlahu alayhi wa sallam, when in fact it is a fabrication.
so let this illiterate joker prepare for judgement day for this accusation. but that is for those who believe in judgement day.

used some fabrications in his book.
"SOME" which others shoe-shine boy?

and in this book, he mentions something about fairies.
see how he positions the question. only to present it in poor light.

the question in urdu was can jinn and female-jinn (pari/fairy) be muslims?
the simple answer was yes.

and thereafter some more things were being discussed and a report was cited. we do not know whether it was mentioned without comment, or noted as a mawDuu. the scribe wrote it down without comments.

people with faith and uprightness will try to be considerate - but scoundrels with malice in their heart will insist that it was "narrated" as a hadith, even though the scribe did not mention it either.

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and because of the malice in heart, which you can see on his face:

at the very least say hold on i have to check...and this great scholar, no checks whatsoever.
the scholars have been speaking of hadith fabrications from almost the beginning of the collection of hadith. so yes, sub'HanAllah, this is shocking. you know why it is so shocking becasue even an average muslim would say that "i need to check this hadith"



obviously, nooruddin is an ignoramus who has no clue of hadith or hadith scholarship.

would he say the same things about scholars who NARRATED mawduu hadith, and included in their hadith collections?

this was an extempore QA session, where it was mentioned and we do not even know that if it was commented upon. and look at the seriousness and "shocking" face that nooruddin makes.

but hadith masters included mawDuu hadith in their narrations with asanid as well. remember that these books are not malfuzat - these are written. and in the words of nooruddin:
but when it is written you don't have much of an excuse left now.
but what excuse does ahmad rida khan have? this is written.

will nooruddin ask the same question about imams of hadith and fiqh? to give a few examples:

1. ibn majah

2. hakim and his mustadrak

3. daraqutni in his sunan

4. darimi

5. abu nuaym al asbahani

6. imam ghazali in his ihya

and numerous others.

a jahil person would do that. a person at the beginning of the study would do that. but this great scholar - as far as they are concerned - has no concern, he is just narrating it.
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should we ignore such reports, citations, etc?
certainly not.

we should point out a fabrication where it is found, but mere one example is not enough to dismiss the entire scholar. in fact, scholars picked out fabrications from books but they did not disparage such imams.

will nooruddin have the courage to say the same about imam ghazali?
the scholars have been speaking of hadith fabrications from almost the beginning of the collection of hadith. so yes, sub'HanAllah, this is shocking. you know why it is so shocking becasue even an average muslim would say that "i need to check this hadith"

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check another thread on this issue.

https://sunniport.com/index.php?threads/fabricated-ahadith-in-the-books-of-scholars.16113/
 
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at the very least say hold on i have to check...and this great scholar, no checks whatsoever.
does nooruddin have ilm al ghayb that he says: "no checks whatsover"? anyone with common sense can see the stupidity of this statement. how exactly did nooruddin reach this conclusion that alahazrat did not make any checks and he "narrated" this?

maybe a fairy whispered in his ear.
 
in a clip a jahil asks another jahil questions. and the jahil replies without knowledge as said in the hadith - that there will come a time when ignorance is widespread; and people will ask juhalaa/ignoramuses and they will answer in spite of their lack of knowledge. [hadith restated].

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from the video, it is bleedingly obvious that it was concocted by the two clowns as an attempt to manage the damage caused by sidi abu hasan to "nooruddin"—or more accurately, dhulmat al-jahl—after his disgraceful accusation against imam abu hanifah rahimahullah. abu hasan's response not only exposed the absurdity of the claim but laid bare dhulmat al-jahl’s sheer ignorance in hadith sciences and even the basics of critical thinking and analysis.

now, dhulmat al-jahl and his dimwit host dare to dismiss abu hasan’s critiques simply because they haven’t seen his face, as if seeing the man behind the words will somehow relieve them from the piercing reality of his arguments. they try to paint him as just a “keyboard warrior,” pretending that his identity matters more than the content of his response, and does showing their faces on video magically make their nonsense scholarly?.

is it mandatory, when refuting arguments from a book, to know anything about the writer besides his name as the author? if not, then why is it any different when it comes to refutations on the internet? what difference would it make if you knew who abu hasan is, what he looks like, or what else he does besides dismantling your nonsense?

if knowing someone’s personal details is a requirement for answering their arguments, then why did you choose to attack imam ahmad riDa rahimahullah? you’ve never seen him, and you clearly haven’t studied his works—only read from his detractors. yet you had no issue belittling him to cover up your own ignorance.

you have sidi abu hasan’s questions in writing. if you two aren’t complete ignoramuses—or worse, intellectual eunuchs—then respond to the questions. but dodging them with stupid distractions only exposes your weakness further.
 
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poor nooruddin struggling to explain a simple concept as mawDuu hadith and his falling upon himself on "laa aSl lahu".

what is the difference between mawDuu/fabricated and laa aSla lahu? he tried to add "bi doon asl" a descriptor.
anyway, what is "laa aSla lahu"?

this one is just like - it is made it up - just can't find it anywhere, just made it up.

and what is fabricated?

a fabricated hadith; this is a narration you can find somewhere in some hadith books. and it has a chain but in the chain, there is a liar or a fabricator. that hadith,

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so fabricated is not 'made up'? where did nooruddin learn english or hadith terminology? since the poor fool does not know basics, let us teach him.

a fabricated hadith IS a made-up hadith. someone crafted it. the prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam did not say it - but someone put together a narration and concocted a sanad and attributed it to the prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam.

وضع - to put, to forge, make-up. mawDuu literally means a made up hadith.

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and what is laa aSla lahu? it simply means that it has no sanad. it could be fabricated, it could be not.

for example in lisan al-mizan, 3/91 - (nothing specific, i just took out a random entry looking for "la aSla lahu")

here the hafiz says: 'there is no sanad for this hadith via malik"

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this does not mean it is worse than fabricated.

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al-iraqi in his takhrij of ihyaa has mentioned many reports as: 'la aSl.." or "lam ajid lahu aSl" but zabidi found some isnads.
for example 9/540

about the hadith: "the love of this world is the source of all sin"

zabidi says:
thus daylami has reported in firdaws via hadith of ali and his sanad supports it; but his son did not mention in his musnad. iraqi has said: ibn abid' dunya reported in dhamm al-dunya and bayhaqi in shua'b thru the route of Hasan in a mursal chain.

i say: after mentioning this hadith in these words, bayhaqi said: 'there is no basis in the hadith of Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam except via mursal route through Hasan (al-basri).

further he says:
abu zur'ah said: everything that Hasan has said attributing to the Prophet sallALlahu alayhi wa sallam, i was able to find the chains (sanad) [wajadtu lahu aSlan thabitan] except four...


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in tadrib al-rawi, suyuti says:

the meaning of hadith scholars saying: "la aSla lahu" there is no basis for this; this is baseless;
ibn taymiyyah said it means: 'this does not have an isnad'


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in another narration zabidi in ithaf 8/237

azdi said: his hadith via ibn abbas should not be written.
nasayi said: ismayil ibn ayyash is weak.
i say: this is all he said - this does not necessitate that the hadith is batil without any sanad. how is it possible when ibn majah has reported it [i.e. it has a sanad].

the furthermost he should have said is: ismayi ibn ayyash, when he narrates from hadith narrators who are not levantine, then his hadith cannot be used as evidence.

there is a difference between describing it as: weak and calling it: lies.
strangely, how did hafiz al-iraqi remain silent without criticising him...

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as you can see, laa aSla lahu does not necessarily mean forged. nor does it mean it is worse than forged.

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abu ghuddah in the preface of al-maSnuu fi ma'rifati'l hadith al-mawDu mentions various instance the phrase is used:

when hadith scholars say: this has no basis [laa aSla lahu], it means various things; i will summarise below:

1. sometimes, they say: 'this hadith has no basis' or 'this has no basis in these words' or 'this has no basis' or 'its basis is not known' or 'it basis is not found' or 'not found' etc. they mean that the hadith mentioned does not have a chain of authority by which it is narrated.

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he continues: on p20

2. sometimes, they say this for a hadith with a sanad - "this hadith has no basis".
by this, they mean that it is a fabricated hadith or a falsehood attributed to RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam or a saHabi or a tabiyi towards whom the sanad attributes the saying.

and that is because that even though the hadith has the mentioned sanad, but the sanad has a liar or a fabricator, or it clearly indicated or implied by other signs that have tell tale signs of falsehood that is being narrated.

then their saying: 'this has no basis' means "it is a false hadith"; not that it does not have an isnad.

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and so forth. the point is: 'la aSla lahu' does not mean 'worse than fabricated'


Allah ta'ala knows best.
 
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the difference between mawDuu/fabricated and laa aSla lahu

lol... I heard that and it reminded me of pathetic jahil bjp netas trying to sound logical and intellectual.

anyways, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it also the case that one waade3 in the chain doesn't necessarily mean the entire narration is graded mawdu3, especially if there are some thiqaat before or after him? Or if there are other corroborating narrations with stronger chains, for example, then certainly so, even the chain with a waade3 in between would gain strength.

Or if his status as a waade3 is in itself contentious and subject to debate between scholars of rijaal?
 
the shoe shine boy's slander a mix of ignorance, malice and licking spittle of the zindiq mirza.

this image is purported to be of alahazrat - and the zindiq in pakistan uses it, as well as many others, including well meaning folks use it.

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this is slander. we don't know who this person was - but it is certainly not alahazrat. for the simple reason that alahazrat considered photos to be haram - his son and grandson refused to be photographed, and i do not think anyone would dare suggest alahazrat to get a passport photograph. there is a grainy photograph somewhere, but it is from a distance and claimed to be without alahazrat's knowledge - we do not know if it genuine.

BUT this one is certainly not his photograph.

if the imbecile duo have an iota of shame, they will remove this photo from their video and not reuse it again to represent alahazrat.
 
before we treat the village idiots nooruddin and the shoe-shine boy: in case you are wondering who, these two imbeciles - stupidity written on their faces:

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we need to first describe what we think of their verbal diarrohea: lies, slander, ignorance, an inveterate aversion to truth and fact, a gross inability to verify facts, stupidity by the cartloads, braggadocio and grandstanding by the blatherskite, vacuous hogwash, virtue signalling and inanity.

all of this will be self-evident in a short while. in sha'Allah.
 
so here is the transcript of the two morons:

3.48 host:
number one, we have mentioned this many times.. and because its the topic, i am going to mention once again. regarding the book of... sab'a sanabil.

in fatawa al-rizawiyyah...uh..imam ahmad riza khan barelwi, he said: this book has been accepted in the court of the Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa aali wa sallam. and.. when you open the book and you read it, you see the same story from the book called hisht [sic] bihisht which says..the..a man came to .. you know.. khwajah gharib nawaz, and said to him: i want to be your disciple, and then he said.. you know... read your kalimah ...and the he read you know the noble kalimah we normally read.. and then he said now you read 'laa ilaaha illa Allah, chishti Rasulun.. audhu billah.

this is the number one, where he has attributed that this is a book that has been accepted in the court of the Prophet sallALlahu alayhi wa sallam, what do you say about this?


4.38 the [jahil-safeeh] noor:

you see this is worse than all of them. this is not fabricated hadith. this is not even baseless. because you know what they do with baseless hadith- they say - oh..this sahabi said the Prophet said this. right?

or they say...o..this hadith..there is a hadith the Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam

this person has given himself such authority that behaving like a sahabi. basically what he is giving himself the position to do is..like a sahabi narrates from the Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam. the prophet said this, the prophet did this...

he is now in the position of the sahabi, he can tell the world what the Prophet is saying. it is so so insane...and i am sorry...i am going to have to use this word, arrogant.

like..an average muslim, to think that he can speak on behalf of the Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam ... even a jahil person would be like... what am i doing... he will shudder... he will shake... quake before he will say anything regarding the Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam.

this man is there telling you which book is accepted by RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam and which is not.

even if he said something like: ok. i saw a dream and in that dream i saw the Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam and he says this..ok fine..he is conveying a dream. even then we would say why are you releasing this kind of thing to the awaam, and the book that you have... give it some thought, because in that book, it is got chishti rasulullah, its got such a terrible terrible story, which barelwis tell us that: no our ahlus sunnah our barelwi scholars, they reject this story. they don't reject it. ahmad rida khan did not reject it.

ahmad rida khan said: 'this is a book which is accepted by Rasulullah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam. its really really bad. its shocking.

and i am not...i am not saying this is only ahmad rida khan, there are other people, historically who say this kind of... the Messenger of Allah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam loves this and this likes this... and accepting this and... who do you people think you are?

seriously. have some humility. the sahabah - they used to be so cautious...mmwwmmn.. they saw the prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam, they heard the prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam, even then they were so scared... i don't want to miscrow.. [misquote?]...

you know when you read hadith narrations and sometimes it says, this or this; this was said or this was said. and sometimes its from another narrator... and sometimes from a sahabi.

the sahabi does not want to attribute to the prophet sallALlahu alayhi wa sallam make it hundred percent sure.

but this is the arrogance we have. certain groups of muslims they just feel they can attribute anything to the prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam.

and in this case, this is not even a hadith, i get to speak about what the prophet loves and what the prophet sallALlahu alayhi wa sallam does not. astaghfirullahi'l azeem.


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7.09 the shoe-shine boy:

i mean look..ya... that must be of certain books but this purely based upon dreams.. oh well.. the prophet came in so-and-so pir's dream and said to read this... so-and so and this is something you can't even find in the qur'an and the sunnah. this is because i had a dream and the Prophet sallALlahu alayhi wa sallam said read this 100 times and this will happen or that will happen. we've seen all of that happening as well... now coming...

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7.32 muftari kazzab nooruddin "engineer" rashid: [wannabe zindiq]

i am going to differentiate between that and what we just saw from ahmad rida khan barelwi. at least they have said it is a dream, right?

[host:] yeah.

at least they said we saw a dream. they are not giving them the authority saying: 'the Prophet says this'... you see... sub'HanAllah... as if you get to speak for the Prophet

at least they say... i ... look. i saw a dream. and anybody can see a dream and maa'shaaAllah..a dream of the prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam means blessing of Allah sub'hanahu wa ta'ala. the problem with those kinda dreams is people start treating what the shaykh has said: 'i saw this in the dream as if it is a hadith' that is the problem. and explain themselves. but at least they are saying it is a dream.
 
regarding the book of...
clearly the ignoramus has no clue about the author. he picked the quote from some zindiq or a webpage and tries to act smart as if he has read the book. if not, let him swear by Allah that he had read 10 pages from the book.

because these are lies. neither of the two has read the book in urdu or in farsi and neither knows about the author. plus there are few haraams both commit in this nice little segment:

lying: "when you read the book" which they have not

deception: "when you open the book and you read it" as if the book has only these things. the fools have no clue about the book.

slander: what they quote, what they say are pure lies; and based on their misreading they slander awliya and ulama. we will see shortly, in sha'Allah.

suu-zann of muslims, especially scholars: restating from the qur'an: "some doubts/suspicion/Zann are sin"

spreading falsehood: circulating lies without even checking facts.

belittling ulama: this one nooruddin may contest because he thinks he is greater than alahazrat, or his students or all the ulama in the subcontinent. [he sneers that hadith knowledge of ulama in the subcontinent is 'terrible'] this will only lead him to make more and more stupid videos until he becomes the laughing stock of the town and humiliation of a lifetime. nas'alu Allah al-aafiyah.

even if ulama have made mistakes, it is necessary to conceal unless it is a matter of islam and aqidah. but you may say that, here "chishti RasulAllah..." is being said. we will come to this shortly, in sha'Allah.

in fatawa al-rizawiyyah...uh..imam ahmad riza khan barelwi, he said: this book has been accepted in the court of the Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa aali wa sallam.
he doesn't look like he has the ability to read fatawa ridawiyyah. nor does his guest. like a couple of beggars, bragging about how they visited a gold and diamond shop and bickering about the perceived flaws in those diamonds. by two paupers who have never seen a tenner in their lives.

you know.. khwajah gharib nawaz,
lies. and he twisted it. he said saba' sanabil and he quoted from hasht bihisht. if one reads the books, it is obvious - but those whose knowledge is mainly gained from clips and pieces will think they know everything.
where he has attributed that this is a book that has been accepted in the court of the Prophet sallALlahu alayhi wa sallam, what do you say about this?
he quotes from hasht bihisht and switches back to saba'a sanabil. and alahazrat's description of the book.

you see this is worse than all of them.
this man does not even stop to think or assess. he shoots from the word go.

this person has given himself such authority that behaving like a sahabi.
how?
i can also say the same thing about nooruddin. but what is the proof?

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we say raDi'Allahu anhu for ulama and awliyaa. it literally translates to: "Allah ta'ala IS pleased with him". or say raHmatullahi alayh: "mercy of ALlah upon him." numerous ulama have used it for senior ulama, imams, awliya. how do they know? and since only Prophets know - will you brand them all as

"this person has given himself such authority that behaving like a prophet..."

if not, why not?

the reason is, even though the words are in definite tense, this is meant to be a prayer for them and good hope for the person about whom it is said.

in our everyday speech we say things like: "the Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam said: actions are according to intentions.."

does it mean WE directly heard from the prophet? does it mean that we claim that?

"no. no. no. you did not say it with sanad. you should have said: 'in a hadith of the prophet reported by a sahabi... but you are giving authority to yourself..."

is that sensible even? suppose you suspect that someone intends so - the right approach is to ask them, verify whether indeed it is the case. one cannot take a statement and spin off adding his own interpretations and attributing it to the person.

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basically what he is giving himself the position to do is.
strawman. nooruddin simply went insane and began extrapolating and imputing intentions as if he knows from other sources or as if alahazrat himself had claimed this. have some shame man, you are putting words in his mouth, which he never said.

alahazrat only said: 'this book is accepted in the court of the Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam'.

how can you even read so many things from this such as:

you see this is worse than all of them. this is not fabricated hadith. this is not even baseless. because you know what they do with baseless hadith- they say - oh..this sahabi said the Prophet said this. right?

this person has given himself such authority that behaving like a sahabi.

basically what he is giving himself the position to do is..like a sahabi narrates from the Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam. the prophet said this, the prophet did this...
insane. anyone who says the Prophet said this or did this comes under this ruling by the great faqih, nooruddin al-ahmaq al-ghabi.

this man is there telling you which book is accepted by RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam and which is not.
here nooruddin gives the impression that alahazrat listed many books and approved some and disapproved some of them. because the usage of "which" indicates many 'from which' some where categorised thus and some others thus.

also, nooruddin should produce evidence for which book alahazrat has said: "this book has been rejected in the court of RasulALlah sallALlahu alayhi wa sallam".

there are other people, historically who say this kind of... the Messenger of Allah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam loves this and this likes this.
who said this and in what context? who are these people? if you cannot produce proof, admit you are a liar worse than the jobless men who gossip on the roadside. at least, they don't claim to be scholars and muftis.

and accepting this and... who do you people think you are?
when nooruddin comes down from his high horse and righteous anger, he can inform us about who is doing such things. we will also rage about it... IF true.

to think that he can speak on behalf of the Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam ..
here nooruddin imputes that alahazrat insinuates that he can speak on behalf of the Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam.

he should produce proof for this false allegation. ulama have said that if a muslims says something and it may have 100 interpretations - 99 of which are kufr and one has a valid meaning, we must withhold our tongues from pronouncing takfir.

here, a harmless statement was twisted and distorted and fanciful interpretations created - without any fear of Allah.

seriously. have some humility.
again insinuates that ulama like alahazrat do not have humility. this man's having hallucinations.

they used to be so cautious...mmwwmmn.. they saw the prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam, they heard the prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam, even then they were so scared... i don't want to miscrow.. [misquote?]...
as if alahazrat was not so cautious and they were not scared to misquote him. all of these are his allegations. no proof whatsoever.

this is a quick summary of only a portion of alahazrat's works:

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how many pages has nooruddin or that idiot who gaslights him has read - OR - are capable of reading? can they even read the names of those books? do you know how many hadith and ahkam have been cited in these fatawa?

even the style of fatawa is priceless - and arguably, few, if any, of the fatawa prior to him have been compiled in such a manner, especially in the subcontinent. it is not to say that alahazrat was greater than early masters; no. but he was definitely a pioneer in writing fatawa - by enriching it with citations from fiqh works, precedents, case studies, hypothetical situations and extrapolations, explaining usul where needed. i am not saying that no one else did this before or that they were not capable. but:

كم ترك الأول للأخر
how much the early ones have left (undone) for the later ones (to do)

those who have seen books of fatawa of earlier ulama - and compare alahazrat's fatawa cannot help but notice the depth and breadth of his learning and the incredible manner in which he builds the argument. it is like asking AI to disclose its reasoning. alahazrat's fatawa appears as if it was written for scholars (as many of the mustafti/questioners, were scholars). and therefore, just reading his fatawa gives immense insight on how a mufti should think.

just like imam bukhari was not the first muhaddith - not the greatest muhaddith. but his compilation of sahih had no precedent, and outstripped even though muhaddithin who were his teachers, grand-teachers and great grand teachers. imams ahmad ibn hanbal, shafiyi, malik and even our imam abu hanifah. imam bukhari is far lesser than them - but his work is next only to the qur'an.

ذلك فضل الله يعطيه من يشاء

the most authentic book after the qur'an. among others, this is attributed to imam nawawi:
وهما أصح الكتب بعد القرآن. والبخاري أصحّهما

is there a qur'an verse or sahih hadith that says it is the most authentic book after the qur'an? or is nawawi taking the authority of a sahabi or a prophet proclaiming which books is in which order? al-iyadhu billah.

but this is the arrogance we have. certain groups of muslims they just feel they can attribute anything to the prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam.
which groups and where did they do so. can nooruddin give citations other than the above (which will be refuted presently)

and in this case, this is not even a hadith, i get to speak about what the prophet loves and what the prophet sallALlahu alayhi wa sallam does not.
suppose that statement REALLY meant the way this madman raves about.

it is still ONE statement. for the sake of argument, it is one slip (though not in reality)
how can you generalise over thousands of pages - and going by the low IQ both individuals display - they will not be able to read two volumes in 200 years.

yet, they have the temerity to scoff about alahazrat.

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he said: this book has been accepted in the court of the Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa aali wa sallam.
anyone with basic understanding and common sense would interpret the statement positively. throughout history, many dreams have been reported by respected ulama and awliya about various books—such as sahih bukhari—being accepted in the court of rasul allah alaihi afdalus salat wat tasleem. similarly, ala hazrat rahimahullah may have either seen such a dream himself or come across dreams reported by earlier scholars or saints, in which rasul allah alaihi afdalus salat wat tasleem praised the book. however, he did not claim to have seen a dream himself.

also, the statement can easily be understood as a du‘a or hopeful expression, not a literal report or transmission. though ala hazrat did not explicitly add “insha’Allah” before or after the sentence, its intent is clear. instead of recognizing this, dhulmat-al-jahl has gone into an exaggerated and baseless critique, which only reflects his own misunderstanding.

regarding the allegation of the phrase “chishti rasul allah”, this is clearly an insertion and has been strongly refuted. the phrase is linguistically flawed—“chishti” is not an arabic word, and the arabic language contains no letter “chay”. furthermore, every prophetic kalimah includes the name of the prophet, while “chishti” is not a name but an attribution. this makes it an implausible and fabricated addition.
 
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