Bayquniyyah | Shaykh Asrar
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Unfortunately yes... Although this is real knowledge. You can learn way more in these few hours watching this than hundreds of hours of YouTube vids on different Islamic topics, bayaans in the masjid etc. Because these texts are systematically designed to educate thoroughly. Text based learning needs to become more common amongst us laypeople
honestly speaking, those gatherings are more on the lines of halal (by western desi standards), family socializing and desi Sunni identity. the kids run around with other Muslim kids, the women folk mingle in their section, come in front of strange men only at the mosque/venue gates head half covered when the family is leaving, general Muslim & Sunni vibes (not knowledge mind you) thanks to the speech and the naatkhwani and the Salat-o-Salam, the men do some zikr, see their friends, and finally a delicious langar. a lot of time people go only because other good hearted folks tell them to come, or new imports who don't have an extended family, find some community warmth and a getaway from the rat race and solitude in a kafir country, oftentimes people will get to see visiting Muslim celebrities, and so on. there are some great pro's from the Islamic pov too... just knowledge and learning are not some of them.
wahabis have the same pattern too, just that they have more "knowledge" based elements (from their perspective) in them than us.
Yeah, those kinds of gatherings certainly have a benefit in raising spiritual levels and are the basis of our communities. But that's where it stops for a lot of people and that's where we need to move beyond that in order to raise our overall levels.
We have enough urs gatherings but they should be gateways to the text based approach as otherwise we have plenty of people who have been going to these speeches for years but still can't do wudu properly or are living with a wife that they triple divorced in one sitting and then thought it didn't count as it was done in anger etc.
We have enough urs gatherings but they should be gateways to the text based approach as otherwise we have plenty of people who have been going to these speeches for years but still can't do wudu properly or are living with a wife that they triple divorced in one sitting and then thought it didn't count as it was done in anger etc.
I'm all for gatherings. They're a good tool. But they have to be structured and well planned with itineraries and topics given to speakers. And should be mostly in English in the West.
A gathering for the sake of it doesn't achieve much. If it's naats and same old repeat speeches, Sunnis don't progress.
A gathering for the sake of it doesn't achieve much. If it's naats and same old repeat speeches, Sunnis don't progress.
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