"Hanafi Athari"

[Oowais Qassim Ali]

To All Hanafi Atharis we challenge you :

Prove athari aqīdah through hanafi usūl,
Demonstrate how adherence to our school's principles leads us to taymi atharism & not maturidism

Explain how you take Fiqh from all the hanafi maturidi giants while also deeming them to be deviants/mushriks

Show us how you derive rulings without consulting Fakhr al-Islām al-Bazdawī Al Maturidi, Imam Al nasafi Al Maturidi, Ibn Al Humam Al Maturidi, Badr al-Din al-Ayni Al maturidi, Ibn kamal Pasha Al Maturidi

prove how Istighathah is shirk according to hanafi usūl

Make a list of all hanafi Fuqaha who deemed shrine building, shrine visitation & mawlid Bid'ah. Bring the muftaa bihi qawl of the madhab

Show how the Khātimatul muhaqiqqīn of our madhab, Al Imam Ibn Abidīn was a wahabi when he actually explicitly wrote against Ibn Abdal Wahhab

Demonstrate how all the Iraqi, Persian, desi, afghan, central Asian, ottoman, levantine, Egyptian and balkan hanafis of history were all wahabis and how you are their true inheritors and WE are the fraudsters.

name at least ONE taymi hanafi imam of the madhab which our school relies on. someone who actually contributed to our Fiqh. ONE

Explain how ALL the students of Imam Abu Hanifah after him agreed that his madhab is maturidism & how all those thousands of Giant Fuqaha were mistaken & ONLY Ibn Abil Izz, the nobody & backstabber of Hanafis knew the real creed of Imam Abu Hanifah

Decide once & for all;
Was Imam Abu hanifah a Kafir, a Jahmi, a maturidi or a taymi wahabi?

"Hanafi atharis" align themselves with the group that slanders the imam the most, No group holds hatred for Imam Abu hanifah as much as wahabis, so what kind of traitorous hypocrisy is this?

If you cannot answer then don't dare call yourself a hanafi, Don't infest our madhab with your plague, be a full blown wahabi, you cannot apply contradictory laws to Fiqh and aqeedah

 

[AbdalQadir]

wahabis are actually as handicapped as the atheist stephen hawking was. they can't say or do anything without help from actual Sunnis helping them carry their dead weights. everything you said about "athari" Hanafis also applies to "athari" Shafi3is and Malikis. prove that Imam Nawawi or Qadi Iyad were "atharis" and so on. it also applies to Hanabila before ibn taymiyyah started his fitnah, and that too wasn't as ugly as the fitnah of the najdis and the non-muhaddith al-albani.

 

[AMQadiri]

Who are some examples of these so-called Hanafi Atharis?

 

[Oowais Qassim Ali]

wahabi hanafis and some deobandi hanafis, they cannot do without the Fiqh of Imam Abu hanifah but they also consider maturidis to be deviants

 

[AMQadiri]

wahabi hanafis and some deobandi hanafis, they cannot do without the Fiqh of Imam Abu hanifah but they also consider maturidis to be deviants

Deobandi "Hanafis" still consider themselves Maturidis as far as I've seen. But I've never heard of a Wahhabi "Hanafi". Maybe what you mean here is that they are Aqeedatan Wahhabis while following Hanafi fiqh. Even if they say they are Maturidi, they still have a Wahhabi aqeedah because they negate the tenants you listed above.

Also, I was asking for actual examples, names of people who fall in your category.

 

[HassanKhan]

Who are some examples of these so-called Hanafi Atharis?

Mufti Yasir Nadeem al wajidi calls himself athari but doesn't consider maturidis and asharis to be deviants

But the interesting part is that he considers imperfections to be rationally possible for Allah.

Like how can you even use the terms rationally possible, impossible or necessary if you are an athari(not a wahabi, but real muffawid hanbali)

He also uses kalam arguments against atheists which is also something an athari cannot do

 

[abu Hasan]

he considers imperfections to be rationally possible for Allah.

irrespective of how many titles the person carries, anyone who has the above belief is a heretic and an idiot.
and of course jahil who is ignorant of his own jahl.

unless, he is a deobandi - because a deobandi does not believe in tanzih of Allah ta'ala. his religion is tanzih of ismayil paleed and rashid gangohi and asharr-fiyli.

la Hawla wa laa quwwata illa billah.

 

[HassanKhan]

irrespective of how many titles the person carries, anyone who has the above belief is a heretic and an idiot.
and of course jahil who is ignorant of his own jahl.

unless, he is a deobandi - because a deobandi does not believe in tanzih of Allah ta'ala. his religion is tanzih of ismayil paleed and rashid gangohi and asharr-fiyli.

la Hawla wa laa quwwata illa billah.

Correct guess! he is a deobandi. He lives in Chicago and is famous for debating atheists

 

[Khanah]

Akram nadwi probably claims to be a hanafi athari, so does bro hajji. Jake bramcatella claims to be maliki athari etc. Abdur Rahman Hassan claims to be shafi. It's normal for these guys to now claim to follow a madhabs because the Albani flavour of salafism has died down in the UK and US now although the ahle hadith trend is still quite rampant in the subcontinent. I think the taqleed issue has mostly been won but they don't want to give up their baatil aqeedah so this is the new trend now. The new salafis study fiqh through the lens of a madhab although hanbali madhab is still the most common for them. Pretty sure they teach through madhabs at madinah University

And when we say athari in this context, we mean the taymiyyan type, not the real hanbali type of atharism that you cab still get in azhar etc