Then, why is the Lahori group declared as kuffar? Those people consider Mirza Kazab as a Muslim and not a prophet. All of the Sunni Muslims and even Badaqeeda groups declare them kafirs. Alahazrat himself stated in response to the question about some people considering Mirza Kazab a Mujadid that at least the Mujadid should be a Muslim (of course there are other requirements, but at least the Mujadid should be a Muslim). Alahazrat said that those who consider that Kazab a Muslim are also kuffar. According to your reply, Taweel should be made for them as well, as Mirza Kazab was also mentioned in Hassam ul Harmain.
The fifth was Mirza Kazab and not Ismail Dehalvi. Takfeer of Ismail Dehalvi was not made by Alahazrat, as his toba got famous. However, anyone who believes in the kufr statements in Ismail Dehalvi's book is a kaffir.
You are mistaken.
Where did i make Taweel? Read Hussam al Haramayn. I told u literally what is in the fatwa.
There are five, dehalvi, nanotavi, gangohi, thanvi, and khalil ambethvi.
Mirza is 6th. There is ijma on meaning of khatm an nabiyeen, ijma on no prophet will be born, ijma on any claiming prophethood is kafir, n ijma on mirza is kafir.
There is ijma insulting prophet is kufr, but there is no ijma of Ummat on statements of five warranting kufr or gustakhi, nor ijmah ummat on the four/five being kafir. 90% of Ummat doesn't even speak Urdu or read it so how can they be burdened with takfir.
Lahori group is Kafir because they consider Mirza Muslim upon whose kufr agreement has been reached by ummah i.e ijma ummat.The five their kufr isn't ijma of Ummat.
For Ijma of Ummat to be established one condition is that Ummat as whole should know about issue, and than two establish agreement on the issue. 75% the Ummah doesn't even know what these shayateen uttered or who they are. How u gona have Ijma ummat on it.
Mirzas kufr n him being kafir n Deobandi elders issue is not same. I consider all of them Kafir but i do not burden common man with Takfir except on issue which requires no learning to understand ... Khatamiyyah ... Its a issue known to awaam as sun is known by them.
How is a common Gama n Maja make takfir, of Deobandis on issue, mar kar mitti mein milnay wala, when u party A insists, this is gustakhi, n party B says it mean burial. N both parties have dictionaries in support to show the Gama n Maja. How are they going to say Deobandis r Kafir or not kafir when they r told takfir returns, and if u don't make takfir ur kafir? Do u just want to put iman n islam of people on trial so u can have the satisfaction n joy that ur winning.
Take Thanvis statement. Ala Hazrat friend and a Sunni Aalim Maulana Abdul Bari didn't see Kufr in it or Gustakhi. So Ala Hazrat made his Takfir n wrote at tari ad dari, he eventually repented. If a Maulvi couldn't see kufr in it n how are u expecting Gama n Maja to see Kufr it in. Once upon a time I was one such Gama who didn't see Kufr it in. Tooke me time to realize it with help of Qari Ismail Sahib rahimullah of Derby.
You cannot issue of Khatmiyyah with what the five Kafirs wrote. There are many technicalities shari n linguistic which need to be discounted about statement of five kafir before one arrives at Yaqeen this is Kufr. Khatmiyyah is simple, it means last prophet, one who claims prophethood violates this verse, hence Kafir.
Asking the awaam to make takfir n toe the line drawn by imams n mujtahids is senseless. It is bad enough that we do taqleed in Fiqh without learning the masail n dalail of our taqleed. worse is that we are asked to do Takfir without knowing damn diddly squat about issue. Gama who cannot draw a straight line with a ruler has been burdened with ... Oye u filthy cretan u Takfir Thanvi , or ur Biwi is Haram on u , ur zani n ur children bastard ... If u wana burden people with issuing x y n z is Kafir n u feel confident nullifying their iman n Islam wen they don't then ur aakhirah n ur flame ... I am not taking that step n not promoting it.
My job is to educate them enough that they see the kufr in the statements n why the authors r Kafir n if I do that job right they arrive at same understanding i have. Minimum i aim for is that they accept statements r kufr.
With regards to toba of the great Kafir Ismail Dehalvi. There is no reliable report of his repentance. Khabr mashoor is not criteria for being authentic. There is no reliable record which supports it. I therefore make his Takfir. I know Ala Hazrat did not. I also know he said in Malfuzat Ismail Dehalvis issue is like of Yazeed, he prefers silence, but does not oppose takfir or saying dehalvi died muslim.
Lahori n Qadiyani are both Kafir because, at minimum, both consider a certain ijmaee Kafir as Muslim. I can give u list of Arab scholar, Shaykh Alawi al Maliki who has granted ijaza from people u n i consider pakka sacha sucha kafir. Now. How can he narrate from bunch of sheep love makers n Epsteins bearded mullah buddies the ravishers of little kids n kafirs? O it must be that he is Kafir too cause he has ijaza from khalil ahmad saharanpuri. This man shakka ... goes long way n u ill be left with ten Brelwis as the only true muslims reading this forum.
I and mufti misbahi sab are already kafir ... I am not even contesting that, ... U have smoked out two hidden false wana be ashiq e rasool, true kafirs, but continue ur hunt n purify the jammat, soon ur inquisition ill leave u the only true muslim.
