any other jaTTs out there?!

Wadood said:
is not Sayyiduna Sultan Bahu a Sayyid? radyAllahu 'anhu
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Yes, Baba Bulleh Shah was a sayyid; but his Shaykh (Shah Inayat) was an Arain and once the thought came into Baba Bulleh Shah's mind that I am a sayyid whereas my shaykh is only an Ara'in. From that moment his Shaykh became upset with him and refused to speak to Bulleh Shah for 12 (?) years. No apology Shah sahib made was accepted. Eventually Baba Bulleh Shah put on some ankle-bells [ghungroo], usually worn by dancing girls, and danced in front of his Shaykh who seeing this utter humbleness of Baba Bulleh Shah finallu forgave him. It is why the song,"tera Ishq nachaaya kare thaiyya thaiyya!" is so famous in Panjab as it is the song Baba Bulleh Shah sang and danced to in order to please his murshid. The lyrics of the song are actually also the kalaam of Baba Bulleh Shah himself.

This Panjabi kalam begins,"Chetii aaveeN ve tabiba na'eeN tay main maR gayee aaN". A full translation is given below (from http://www.razarumi.com/2007/05/21/abida-parveen-sings-teray-ishq-nachaya/)

O Physician, come back! my life is ebbing away.
Compelled by love, I dance, I dance.
This love has set up camp inside me.
It is I, who filled the cup with this poison and drank it.
Come back right away, else, I will surely die.
Compelled by love, I dance, I dance.
The sun has set, its glow remains.
Grant me a sight of you again! I would die for it!
What a mistake I made, not going with you.
Compelled by love I dance, I dance.
Mother do not bar me from this love.
Whoever turns back unloaded boats that have left?
How foolish I was, not going with the boatman.
Compelled by love I dance, I dance.
Peacocks sing in the groves of love.
My beautiful beloved is my Ka’ba, my Qibla.
He injured me, then turned away.
Compelled by love I dance, I dance.
Bullhe Shah, I sit at Inayat's door,
He clothed me in robes of green and red.
When I stamped my heel, I found him.
Compelled by love I dance, I dance.

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subhan Allah!
 
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are you sure his shaykh was an 'arain'. I would suppose his shaykh was a rajput or from some other sub group such as awan etc but not arain. Were not arains from the Indian Punjab area and are known to be traitors by common Punjabi folk?
 
yes Sidi i am sure. it is common knowledge that Hazrat Shah Inayat Qadri was an Arain. Every biography of Bulleh Shah which mentions his Shaykh mentions his caste because of the incident i quoted in my earlier post.

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sidi as far as i know, as a common panjabi, arains are not considered traitors!
you might be getting them confused with 'Naees' -- the barber caste -- who are despised amongst jatts especially because they were responsible for the killing by the British of Jagga JaTT --who was a 19th century JaTT Robin-Hood like figure. Many songs are sung in his honour e.g. by Abrar ul Haq and even on the Indian side of Panjab.
 
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Sidi, I have confirmed beyond doubt, that the Shaykh of HaDrat Sultan Bahu radyAllahu 'anhu was an araain! confirmed. however, the araain group is certainly a traitor group, because I just confirmed from one of the masters of Urdu poetry that I am in aquaintance with and she said to me that even though the Shaykh of HaDrat Sultan Bahu was an araain, he himself stated and advised everybody to NEVER TRUST AN ARAAIN. Because they are TRAITORS,

This is what the Shaykh of HaDrat Sultan Bahu said about the araain group:

in Punjabi:

Jey tu put saayin da
wasah na khaayin araain da

Beware of araains! This is the advice of the Shaykh of Baba Bulleh Shah
 
naqshbandijamaati said:
sidi as far as i know, as a common panjabi, arains are not considered traitors!
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Sorry, it seems you are not a common Punjabi. Because I have confirmed from many Pakistani Punjabis from different areas of Punjab (Lahore, Multan, Gujrat), and they all called the araains traitors. Sorry.
 
no need to apologise! i have hardly lived in pakistan so u may well be right!
i know the saying, 'gujar teh kanjar..koii farq na'eeN' but thats probably just jatt chauvinism! even about araiN i'm sure not every one of them is a traitor!
 
Sidi NJ, I'm a Memon so I don't speak much Punjabi/Mirpuri/Potohari/Kashmiri/[enter language/dialect here] and I don't know much about them other than having friends who are Mirpuri or Punjabi.
 
It's like the alleged Arabic saying about Kufans, "Kufi la yufi" whatever that means which was apparently given to them after they betrayed Imam e Aali Maqaam :as: those bunch of bloody Shias!
 
I've noticed Abu Abbas bhai that even Memons like Owais Qadri learn Punjabi so they can sing Punjabi naats. Actually he speaks pretty good Punjabi. I heard him cussing Wahabis once in Punjabi it was great!
 
Oye JaTTo tussee kithe oh? Wherefore art thou O fellow Jatts of mine?

:D

Actually, in all seriousness, I've increasingly noticed that with the sole exception of religion, Muslim JaTTs and Sikh JaTTs are indistinguishable in their culture and outlook. I've got more in common with a Sardar ji from Jhallandar than a Muslim from, say, Hyderabad Deccan culturally speaking. Of course, it is our imaan which distinguishes us from each other but...
 
naqshbandijamaati said:
Oye JaTTo tussee kithe oh? Wherefore art thou O fellow Jatts of mine?

:D

Actually, in all seriousness, I've increasingly noticed that with the sole exception of religion, Muslim JaTTs and Sikh JaTTs are indistinguishable in their culture and outlook. I've got more in common with a Sardar ji from Jhallandar than a Muslim from, say, Hyderabad Deccan culturally speaking. Of course, it is our imaan which distinguishes us from each other but...
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Sidi, Muslim Punjabi JaTTs are a different people. They are the true Punjabis with their very different culture, style, dress code, and poetry (Jhang/Sheikhupura/Kasur/Gojra/Sialkot). The Sikhs have a different outlook, racial outlook, cultural outlook, and they took from the Muslims, not the other way round. Even their religion.

Sardar jis are also the worst kuffar on earth. They know everything about true Islam, and yet they live in denial.

Jalundhar, today in India, is emptied of the majority of its Sikh Jatts. In place of them live 1 million Biharis/UP/Haryana people. Mostly Chamar (dalits). With them another 1 million Chamar Punjabi Sikhs, who have now been labelled by the JATT Sikhs as non-Sikh Hindus.

Also, Jalandher has a Hindu majority. I do not believe it is fair to compare Muslim Punjabi JaTTs with Deccani people. Deccan has a totally different culture.

Please bear in mind these are generalizations.

Muslim Punjabi JaTTs are among the most cultured, well mannered, big hearted, clean, nice, and educated people, zamindaars. They have the most sweet poetry, humble poetry, sufi poetry, dignified poetry and thoughts that defeats seraiki. They are the originators of Punjabi culture. They are among the healthiest of Punjabis in body and mind and live in the heartlands of Punjab.

Jhang..........Lahore...........Gujranwala........ Toba Tek Singh.....Jhelum ....Sialkot etc

Sardar ji JaTTs wear pygamas in daylight. While the Muslim Punjabi JaTTs wear the traditional beautiful dress called lungi-kurta and khussa (which is a Muslim invention, adopted by the Sikh JaTT). Muslim Punjabi JaTTs have the horse riding culture unique to them with their Punjabi Islamic Art. Sardar Jis don't know horse riding. It is Muslim Punjabi JaTTs that have recognized world-wide sportsmanship, while Sardar Ji JaTTs lack this badly.

Can Sardar Jis produce Punjabi Muslim JaTT superstars like Sultan Rahi, Akmal, Sudheer? Can they produce true Punjabi cultured Movies as the Muslim Punjabi JaTTs? Never have they!

This shows that the Muslim Punjabi JaTTs have defeated the Sardarji JaTTs in most of the cultural activities. These are facts on the ground. Pakistani Punjabi JaTT TV drama artists are even recognized by Sardar Ji JaTTs for the superior quality!

Saradr ji JaTTs have all of their architecture borrowed from the Muslim Punjabi JaTTs. Golden Temple has minaars and domes. This is Muslim Punjabi JaTT introduced. Sardarji JaTTs have forgotten the original Punjabi culture that was, and what they practice today is stolen from the Muslim Punjabi JaTTs.

Muslim Punjabi JaTTs have produced Fardous, naghma, Shaukat Ali. Even Noor Jahan sings Muslim Punjabi JaTT songs. What do the Sardar Ji JaTT sing? They just copy.

Muslim Punjabi JaTTs have produced Alam Lohaar. Can Sardar ji JaTTs produce someone like him in a thousand years? Never!

I conclude: there is just too much difference, culturally, between Muslim Punjabi JaTTs and Sardar Ji JaTTs. The similarities are because of copying, and the common Punjabi language.

Sardar ji JaTTs do not live clean (they don't like to be). They never cut their hair. 'Desi Thara' is their best drink, while the Muslim Punjabi JaTT has RuH Afzaa, Sattoo sharbet, and Lassi.
 
I know very little Punjabi, like barely a few sentences. Then again, I also know very little Memoni..........
 
Yes, Hazrat`e Sufi Owais Rida Qadri (damat barakatahum) * is Fakhr-e-Memon and he also speaks pretty good Punjabi.

As for me, mainu Panjabi na anda....

Laykin, thorasa anda is liye de mainu dost Punjabi hain.

I apologize for my broken Punjabi....

I can never forget the verses by Hazrat Meher-e-Millat Peer Sayyid Meher Ali Shah Saheb Fazil-e-Golrawi alayhi rahmah:

Aj sik mitran di vadheri ae
Kyun dilri udaas ghaneri ae

Loon loon vich shauq changeri ay
Aj nainaan laiyaan kyon jhariyan?

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* The reason I used the aqlab that I did for Janab Hazrat Sufi Owais Raza Qadri (damat barakatahum) is because of his khilafat from Hazrat`e Allama Sayyid Najib Mian Barkati (damat barakatahum al-aalia) from Mahera Shareef
 
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Yaar wadood are you sure you're not secretly an Indian or Pakistani ? How come every time there's a post on the subcontinent you post loads of stuff!

I'm not denying the Sikhs borrowed lots of stuff from muslim punjabis but no doubt the other way around is true too. Remember most punjabi Muslims are converts.
The reason they ain't produced any sufiana kalaam is coz awliya can only exist in ahl sunnat and to their credit they greatly respect our punjabi saints. They even took the kalaam of baba farid and added it to their Granth !
On terms of food language customs and culture there is v little difference.
 
naqshbandijamaati said:
Yaar wadood are you sure you're not secretly an Indian or Pakistani ? How come every time there's a post on the subcontinent you post loads of stuff!

I'm not denying the Sikhs borrowed lots of stuff from muslim punjabis but no doubt the other way around is true too. Remember most punjabi Muslims are converts.
The reason they ain't produced any sufiana kalaam is coz awliya can only exist in ahl sunnat and to their credit they greatly respect our punjabi saints. They even took the kalaam of baba farid and added it to their Granth !
On terms of food language customs and culture there is v little difference.
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Sidi Asif, I am Iranian. The above loads of stuff is mostly from a Punjabi Mughal-Pathan (not a JaTT) person called "Ghulam Sarwar" from Lahore, whose family lives in South Hall, London. He boiled right there, when told that someone was equating Muslim Punjabi JaTTs with Sikh JaTTs, and I do not really understand why, and then insisted that I listen to his story. So, I thought I post it here.

I do have Indian family members going back hundreds of years on my mom's mom side (some of them still live in India)
 
well my iranian brother you shouldn't relate everything you hear! i wasn't EQUATING muslim and sikh jatts only pointing out the obvious cultural similarities. to deny them is to be blind to the obvious. despite our numerous similarities sikhs are still dismissively referred to as 'khatri' and 'kaRaar' in our parts. in fact calling someone a khatri is a big insult!

despite that the truth is that we have more in common with punjabis from indian punjab than with anyone else (other pakis from punjab excluded.)

if we're honest we also have more in common culturally--those of us who grew up in the UK (insert your country here) --with English people than with other Muslims from say, Saudi Arabia; for one, they look down at us terribly and for two, one's own language is one's own after all is said and done. like we have Brown Sahibs who try to be whiter than the White Man (aka House Niggers aka Uncle Toms etc.) we also have non-Arab Muslims who try to be more Arab than the Arabs themselves even though those Arabs dont reciprocate.

Islam is not an Arab monopoly! If you're name is , e.g. Imran Khan, don't suddenly become Abu Sulayman al Lahori al Niazi al Mianwali and be ashamed of your heritage and speak in a ridiculous Arabic accent, 'Brazer, I am not Bakistani...alhamdulillah!'

This is a trend in the UK religious youth esp. those attracted to Wahabism...
 
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