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If I may: does being a sunni rest on celebrating the mawlid? Many reliable ulema disallowed the mawlid, including the Malikis Allama Fakihani in al-mawrid fi l-kalam ala amal al-mawlid, Abu Abd Allah ibn al-Hajj in al-madkhal, al-Shatibi in al-i'tisam and the recent sufi reformer of Nigeria Usman don Fodo (founder of the Sokoto caliphate); the hanafi and eminent Naqshbandi sheikh Ahmed al-Sirhindi in al-maktubat; and the hanbali Ibn Taymiyya in Iqtida al-sirat al-mustaqim.

Other ulema who allowed it were aware of the erroneous acts it may contain, so ibn Hajar al-Asqalani wrote "As for the origin of the practice of commemorating the Prophet's birth , it is an innovation ( bida'a ) that has not been conveyed to us from any of the pious early muslims of the first three centuries, despite which it has included both features that are praisweorthy and features that are not. If one takes care to include in such a commemoration only things that are praiseworthy and avoids those that are otherwise, it is a praiseworthy innovation, while if ones does not, it is not." And Imam al-Alawi al-Maliki wrote “One of the innovations (bid’a) of the Mawlid is that, it is practiced by some of those who celebrate it by carrying out unlawful activities, being negligent with prayers, involvement in usury and not implementing the outward and inward sunna of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace).”

Shaykh bin Bayya's advice is to accept the difference of opinion, and not use it as a yardstick to judge other Muslims: http://talk.islamicnetwork.com/showthread.php?t=12724
 
does being a sunni rest on celebrating the mawlid
it does not, but in our times, invariably it is an indication.

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as for imam fakihani's refusal, imam suyuti wrote a point-by-point rebuttal. and with due respect to imam fakihani, his objections were anyway not logical and he contradicted himself. indeed, the definition of mandub he gives is strange and contradicting early ulama like izzuddin ibn abd'as Salam.

furthermore, i sense a whiff of deobandi stench from your objections and if you are not careful, you may get kicked out uncermoniously. it is quite likely that you are an innocent bystander who unfortunately chose to sit with a stinking blacksmith by a cesspool. naturally, if the fire did not get you, at least the smoke from his forge and stench from the pool touched you.

do not sit with deobandis because they lie and insinuate.

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i would like to know which ulama of the first three centuries conducted khatm bukhari which deoband school seems to have no problem.

i know a tablighi who goes on long trips of tabligh but still when he comes home fights with his wife; and when his mother intervenes, he beats his mother. therefore, going into tabligh is forbidden because they teach you to beat your mothers.

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among other lies circulated is that we sunnis make it a point of aqidah; whereas the truth is that the deobandis try to deflect criticism from their utterly wahabi ideas by crying wolf that sunnis blame them for not celebrating mawlid.

this is like criticising imam a'azam raDiyallahu anhu for mentioning wiping upon mests in his fiqh al-akbar. is wiping upon mests a point of aqidah? but then, there was a prevalent disease among ahl al-bid'ah who denied it. so he included it to show that though it is not a very important point, but in our times only the ahl al-bid'ah reject it.

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i don't want to comment on modern scholars, [edited, see below] there are scholars like badruddin al-hasani or al-kattani who have no problem with celebrating the mawlid.

ibn taymiyyah in his iqtida'a sirat al-mustaqim, was lenient on mawlid (but you can be forgiven because you are not capable of your own research; you are just repeating the mendacity of your deobandi friends).

as for al-fakihani's essay [by the way, it is a short two paragraph fatwa! but those with disease in their hearts try to make it out as if it is a huge big book.] : can you tell me if you have ever seen it? (i DON'T want a 'reference' from suyuti's paper; i know it. the detractors of the mawlid usually take it from suyuti's refutation and try to act as they have seen both works.)

i will come back to intellectual dishonesty that is the hallmark of heretics including deobandits and wahabi-salafi-anthropomorphists by quoting that which suits them essentially behaving like the yahudi - citing only what fancies their own nafs.

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as for quoting mawlana al-alawi, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. but with deobandi-wahabis, this cannot be expected, as they have do not have any shame.
hum ko un sey ĥayaa ki hai ummīd
jo nahiN jaantey ĥayaa kyā hai

they attempt to bring proof from those very books which refute them! you are deliberately misrepresenting al-alawi as if he disapproved of the mawlid whereas, he wrote a treatise proving its validity. but you are not bothered with that.

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an example of your behavior is of a guest invited in a grand palace who happened to see the host bringing in raw meat. that meat was washed and cleaned (and the residue filth and blood cleaned, removed and thrown away). the host cooked the meat and made very special and tasty biryani, the aroma of which filled the air. even the neighbors are attracted by its smell. this biryani was served to the guest in expensive chinaware; but he hardly bothers about it. he does not eat it [and even if he does it secretly, he does not tell] and goes out in the street yelling at everyone about the residue filth. so what if the meat was washed? so what if it was from halal source? so what if a respectable person prepared a savory dish from it? HOW CAN YOU FORGET THE FILTH? [it so happened that some grand and respectable men mistook that the raw meat was cooked as it is and so refused to partake; but such people in the whole neighborhood can be counted on the fingers of one hand]

my man! the filth was meant to be removed and once removed, why don't you enjoy the feast?

epilogue: however, the guest who was apalled at the biryani, goes to a toilet-cleaners home in the neighborhood who also happens to be a kafir; the toilet-cleaner offers him sweets in his unhygenic* home in a soiled plate; this aforementioned guest happily gobbles it down.
jin ko shirini-e-meelad sey ghin aati hai
aankh key andhey unheN kawwa khilaa jatey haiN
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*verily, the polytheists are unclean.


update: i had mistaken shaykh uthman dan fodio with another contemporary scholar; many thanks to wadood for pointing that out. in fact, i had written bin bayyah while comparing with shaykh badr al-hasani and then changed it. and to make amends, i will look up the sirah of shaykh uthman dan fodio.
 
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Brother abu Hasan, you misunderstand me. Shaykh Bin Bayya nor I condemn the mawlid per se, rather what the shaykh said was: 1. Accept this as a difference of opinion and 2. When celebrating, avoid the unlawful. In support of the second point I provided the comments of shaykh al-Alawi al-Maliki and Hafiz ibn Hajar al-Asqalani – I did not insinuate they disapproved of the mawlid.

As for the first point, you appear to dismiss out of hand the legitimate opposition of some ulema. There are two viewpoints: those who in principle accept the mawlid but censure its unlawful activities (the majority of ulema), and those who in principle reject the mawlid although some expressed their empathy with the first view. Ibn Taymiyya was indeed lenient on the mawlid and he said those who participate will be rewarded for their good intentions and sound ijtihad but for him it is a bid‘ah in the technical sense of being repudiated. Likewise Abu Abd Allah ibn al-Hajj describes the virtues of the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wasallam)’s birth but condemns the mawlid as innovation in his Madkhal (http://feqh.al-islam.com/Display.asp?DocID=31&MaksamID=65&ParagraphID=154&Sharh=0). For al-Shatibi, his view of the mawlid in al-i‘tisam is linked to his definition of bid‘ah as an act used to attain proximity (qurba)/ta‘abbud bihi without precedence. Shaykh Ahmed Sirhindi’s objection lies in the potential the mawlid has in deviating people away from the sunna. These ulema were against the mawlid in principle.

The difference, as shaykh bin Bayya said, may stem from the difference in understanding the nature of bid‘ah. The majority of fuqaha divided bid‘ah into the five categories (fard, mustahabb, mubah, makruh and haram) and restricted the hadith (all bid'a is dalala) to the last of them, declaring it “am makhsus” (a general statement with specific implications). However a significant minority instead make the distinction between bid‘ah as legal (shar‘i) and bid‘ah as literal (lughwi). The first view stems from Imam al-Shafi‘i’s well-known statement “Bid‘ah are two: praiseworthy and blameworthy. That which agrees with the Sunna is praiseworthy and that which contradicts it is blameworthy” (al-bid‘atu bid‘atan: fa ma wafaqa l-sunnatu fa huwa mahmuda wa ma khalafaha fa huwa madhmuma). The second view stems from Imam Malik’s comment (which al-Shatibi quotes frequently): “Whoever innovates in this nation anything which its salaf did not do, then he has claimed the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa sallam) has betrayed the message” (man ahdatha fi l-ummati shay’an lam yakun alayhi salafuha fa qad za‘ama anna rasul Allah khana l-risalah). Following the “Shafi‘i” view are Shafi‘is like Imam Nawawi, Abu Shama, al-Suyuti, al-Subki, al-Haythami, al-Asqalani (and others); Hanafis like Ibn Abidin and al-Ayni (and others); Hanbalis like ibn al-Jawzi and Malikis like al-Zurqani and al-Qarafi. Following the “Maliki” view are Hanafis like al-Shamani and Ahmed al-Sirhindi; Malikis like al-Shatibi and Hanbalis like ibn Rajab al-Hanbali and ibn Taymiyya. [hence for example, sayyiduna Umar’s comment “what a magnificent bid‘ah” is taken to be lughwi (linguistic) by the second category and a good bid‘ah by the first category].

Some believe, like Imam al-Lacknawi, that this is only a semantic difference, and for him the two can easily be reconciled by saying: the five categories fall into the lughwi taxonomy and the “haram” element into the shar‘i category. However, the second view does put more emphasis on finding precedence, while the first view does not so much. Shaykh bin Bayya thinks this may be one primary reason for the dispute, and it should therefore not be made into a major issue.

edit: Shehu Uthman don Fodio explains the difference of opinion as follows (see below link to ihya al-sunna, p. 107-8):

If it is said: “If there is something which draws its proof from the shari‘a but it was not utilised by the early community (salaf), is it a sunna or an innovation”, I say Ahmad Zarruq said in his ‘umdat al-murid al-sadiq:

‘Malik said “it is an innovation because they did not leave it except for an order for them to do so. They were the most desirous of people for doing good and the most knowledgeable of people concerning the sunna.” This is in accordance with the words of Ibn Mas‘ud, may Allah be pleased with him, when he said to some people doing the remembrance of Allah in a group (jama‘ah) “By Allah you have come with a dark innovation. Do you think you have superseded the Companions of Muhammad in knowledge?” This was mentioned by ibn al-Hajj in al-madkhal so examine that.

‘Al-Shafi‘i may Allah be pleased with him said “not everything which does not have its foundation from the shari‘a is to be considered an innovation, even if the early community (salaf) did not do it. Their leaving doing the action could have been for an excuse which existed at that time, or they may have left it for something better. Perhaps if that action had reached them, it would have been utilised. This is because these legal judgements were taken from the shari‘a and verified by it.”

‘There is disagreement also concerning that which has not been narrated from the sunna whether it is disapproved or approved, if it is innovation or not. Malik said about that “it is not an innovation?” Al-Shafi‘i said it was approved based upon the following tradition: “What I have passed over then it is an exemption” (ma taraktuhu lakum fa huwa afw). This was mentioned by ibn al-Hajj in the section on the remembrance of Allah. Based upon that, there is disagreement regarding the Qur’anic hizb (which is recited in a circle with one voice), doing dhikr in gathering in a loud voice, and performing the supplication in the same manner...al-Shafi‘i says about that “it is a sunna”; Malik said about that “it is a reprehensible innovation because of the existence of ambiguity (shubhah)”. A mujtahid should not be considered an innovator in the eyes of other mujtahids who have an opposing opinion...’ Here ends what Ahmad Zarruq said.
 
With regards to Uthman dan Fodio who died in 1817, he wrote in his ihya al-sunna al-muhammadiyya wa ikhmad al-bida' al-shaytaniyya, in which he quotes profusely from Sidi Ahmad Zarruq, al-Ghazali, Qadi Iyad and ibn Ataillah:

If you were to say, "What is the legal judgment concerning what the people do during the month of Rabi` 'l-Awwal on the day of Prophet's birthday (al-mawlid) or on the seventh day of the mawlid where people gather together for remembrance of Allah (dhikr) and the food which is prepared for that purpose?" I say: That is a reprehensible innovation if it is free of every disobedience (ma`siyya). It is said that the answer is that the practice of the Mawlid of the noble Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace is a highly recommended good innovation (bid`a hasana manduuba) when it is free of every disobedience. As for what the people have made a habit in these times where men and women mix freely, Allah forbid that any scholar would make that permissible. It says in the al-Madkhal, "Generally what the people have invented from innovation is their false belief to be among the momentous acts of worship (akbar 'l-`ibaadaat) and manifesting the rites of Islam is what they do during the month of Rabi` 'l-Awwal from the Mawlid of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant hi peace. This has been included among the innovations (bid`a) and the forbidden things (muharramaat)." He continued, "It is necessary that when this noble month comes that it be honored, ennobled and respect it with deserving respect. This is by following the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace in that he used to single out times of blessing by increasing in performing acts of righteousness and generosity."



If you were to say, "What is the legal judgment concerning those who prepare food only on the day of the mawlid. He intends by that the recognition of the mawlid and invites his Muslim brothers to eat along with that being free of every disobedience?" I say, This is a reprehensible innovation or an allowed innovation. The latter is the preferred decision (al-mukhtaar). The former decision was the opinion of the author of the al-Madkhal because he said, "If food is prepared only and one intends by that to recognize the Mawlid and the Muslim brothers are then invited even when it is free of every disobedience - it is still an innovation because of the intention only. This is because that is making increase in the religion and it is not among the behavior of the early community (as-Salaf). For following in the footsteps of the Salaf is paramount, rather it is obligatory.


http://www.siiasi.org/ihya's-sunna%20wa%20ikhmad'l-bid`a_2_.pdf p. 189 (the appendices list his chains to Imam Bukhari, Imam Malik and Abd al-Qadir al-Jilani in the Qadiri silsilas)
 
Accept this as a difference of opinion
those who were against the mawlid are a minority and in today's world they are usually those with the wahabi element. if you look at al-fakihani, he was at a time when celebrating mawlid was relatively new and hence his reaction. [the king of irbil, who is known to have initiated it abu sayid passed away in 630AH] but later scholars recognized it and there was no sunni who called it reprehensible until the najdi came forth and his counterparts in india, deobandits and the followers of ismayil, the ugly created this confusion by castigating mawlid as a bid'ah.

ahlu's sunnah scholars cornered them, and they adamantly refused. but nowadays they have changed tack by claiming it to be 'difference of opinion.'

your justifications are not new; these are old excuses and as i said, standard deobandi/wahabi fare. when they are utterly defeated in their cause to oppose mawlid, they want to project it as a difference of opinion. the tactics of slithering away.

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i am annoyed by the fact that all of these objections - whether you came up with them on your own or whether you are copying it from someone else - are taken from imam suyuti's 'husn al-maqsid fi amal al-mawlid' wherein he explained the issue well.

is it not ironic - and intellectual dishonesty - that you pick only the objections from a treatise that is an answer to the objections? why do you do away with the explanations and cite the objections directly?

or if you have seen any source of al-fakihani's fatwa other than a citation from al-suyuti's treatise, (which he quotes before refuting it) i would like to see it.

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al-fakihani is quoted thus:
i don't know any basis in the kitab or sunnah for this action of mawlid
and al-suyuti replies:
not knowing something does not necessitate that it does not exist. imam al-hafiz abu'l faDl ahmed ibn Hajar [al-asqalani] has proven a basis for it [mawlid] from the sunnah. and i have recognized a second proof derived from the sunnah - which i shall mention presently.
or perhaps, ibn Hajar al-asqalani was weak in hadith or did not understand the hadith properly? go ahead make your claim.

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after listing ibn al-Haaj's opinion, al-suyuti says:
'and the result of his speech [ibn al-Haaj]: he did not decry mawlid per se, but only denounced the forbidden and reprehensible actions that [people] include in the mawlid.
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as for denouncing unlawful activities, that should be done anyway - whether during a mawlid or during salat al-jum'ah.
 
perhaps you did not understand what dan fodio was saying. like other lies, uthman dan fodio was not against mawlid; nor was ibn al-Haaj. also you insinuate (which might have been inadvertent) that ibn aTayillah or ahmed zarruq or ghazali were against the mawlid. your sentence:

With regards to Uthman dan Fodio who died in 1817, he wrote in his ihya al-sunna al-muhammadiyya wa ikhmad al-bida' al-shaytaniyya, in which he quotes profusely from Sidi Ahmad Zarruq, al-Ghazali, Qadi Iyad and ibn Ataillah:
take out the last colon please when you post elsewhere and post it like this:
With regards to Uthman dan Fodio, who died in 1817: he wrote a book named ihya al-sunna al-muhammadiyya wa ikhmad al-bida' al-shaytaniyya in which he quotes profusely from Sidi Ahmad Zarruq, al-Ghazali, Qadi Iyad and ibn Ataillah. dan fodio says in this book:
With regards to Uthman dan Fodio
below is the quote from your own quoting:
It is said that the answer is that the practice of the Mawlid of the noble Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace is a highly recommended good innovation (bid`a hasana manduuba) when it is free of every disobedience.
I say, This is a reprehensible innovation or an allowed innovation. The latter is the preferred decision (al-mukhtaar)
so which part did you not understand? uthman dan fodio might accept that mawlid is acceptable when it is according to shariah, but you will insinuate that he did not.

the deobandis, either cannot read or they intentionally mix up various issues to confuse the public; to either exonerate their own pitiful selves or to poison the pond.
zikr rokey, fazl kaatey, ayb kaa juuyaaN rahey
phir kahey mardak ke huN ummat RasulAllah ki?
(sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam)
 
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muzammil, its a very nice game you are playing here, good luck
don't worry brother, that won't be for long. the deobandis always love to disrupt the remembrance of the habib SallAllahu alayhi wa sallam. the zeal with which they try to find even the weakest of proofs to subdue the mawlid is mind boggling.
 
abu Hasan said:
It is said that the answer is that the practice of the Mawlid of the noble Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace is a highly recommended good innovation (bid`a hasana manduuba) when it is free of every disobedience.

Uthman dan Fodio's analysis is one of balance and tolerance within the Maliki madhhab. He addresses this from the Maliki-Shafii divergence elucidated above, and sticking within the Maliki mode of thinking, he writes:

I say: That is a reprehensible innovation if it is free of every disobedience (ma`siyya)

The part you quote is not his personal view, but a view that he accepts as a secondary legitimate point of dispute. Likewise ibn al-Hajj, despite agreeing to the merit of Rabi al-Awwal and paying it due respect, clearly dismisses the organised celebration of mawlid as a reprehensible bid'a.

Further, shaykh Ahmad al-Sirhindi also rejects the mawlid in Letter 72 of the third volume in his Maktubat; at its conclusion he writes:

"This poorling is of the opinion that unless this practice is completely given up, the interested persons would not cease taking advantage of it. If the practise is declared lawful, it would gradually lead to finding justification for other innovations also. Even a small mistake becomes a prelude to grave errors."

See the Urdu translation p. 196 here: http://www.maktabah.org/attachments/062_Maktubat%20Vol-3%20Part-1.pdf

Shaykh Ahmad al-Sirhindi, unsurpisingly, also belongs to the second "Maliki" category of scholars (above) opposed to the concept of bid'a hasana and preferring a shar'i/lughwi distinction instead.

abu Hasan said:
I say, This is a reprehensible innovation or an allowed innovation. The latter is the preferred decision (al-mukhtaar)

If you are to say this quote is about the mawlid then you should accept ibn al-Hajj was opposed to it as Uthman dan Fodio immediately writes after this: The former decision was the opinion of the author of the al-Madkhal because he said, "If food is prepared only and one intends by that to recognize the Mawlid and the Muslim brothers are then invited even when it is free of every disobedience - it is still an innovation because of the intention only. This is because that is making increase in the religion and it is not among the behavior of the early community (as-Salaf). For following in the footsteps of the Salaf is paramount, rather it is obligatory."

Should not legitimate disagreements be valued as a rahma for the Muhammadan Umma, as opposed to being suppressed?
 
the issue is closed. you show a remarkable lack of comprehension which is among the distinct traits of deobandits. other trademarks and patents are deception and subterfuge.

congratulations. you have just made your last post in this regard.
 
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i must however point out the dogged subversion of the deobandi.

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The part you quote is not his personal view,
excuse me, i was pointing out your quote. regardless, if you want to impute meanings to the shaykh and claim what suits your whims, how can i stop you? after all, you have done it so shamelessly with imam rabbani as we shall see below.

do you guys believe in judgement day? and that you will be held accountable for what you say? going by the audacity you display, there is little assurance that you do.

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then you should accept ibn al-Hajj was opposed to it as Uthman dan Fodio
can you read english? imam suyuti wrote a detailed exposition of what ibn al-Haaj said and he categorically stated that 'he was not against mawlid per se.' but you simply insist on peddling your own delusions.

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i have copied the relevant part from imam rabbani's maktubat attached here as an image. i took it from the pdf YOU provided in the link and since it was a bit poor-quality image, i scanned it also from my own copy.

you say:
Further, shaykh Ahmad al-Sirhindi also rejects the mawlid in Letter 72
perhaps, you cannot read urdu. or if you can, you probably do not understand it. and if you understand it, and still make the false assertion above, there is little i can do about it.

Shaykh Ahmad al-Sirhindi, unsurpisingly, also belongs to the second "Maliki" category of scholars (above) opposed to the concept of bid'a hasana and preferring a shar'i/lughwi distinction instead.
there was no such distinction but yet, you conjured up these 'categories'. and to fit your categories, you threw responses which are mere figments of your imagination.

i am least bothered in convincing a liar that he is lying. my post is for onlookers.
 

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a false position was attributed to imam rabbani below. it was claimed that imam rabbani was against mawlid. a few sentences were taken out-of-context to deceive the common public. once again the deobandi's kayd is outed.

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here is the correct translation of the maktub/letter [see the image below]:
and then you have asked about reciting the mawlid. if it is only recitation of the holy qur'an or praise of the prophet or awliya [na'at, manqabat] in a good voice, what is wrong with it? [1]

that which is prohibited is to alter the letters of the qur'an.[2] and to convert the recitation such that it is according to the rules of singing and to recite [the qur'an] like songs and to accompany [such recitation] with the clapping of hands - which is anyway not permitted even when reciting ordinary poetry [3]

if one recites the mawlid such that words of the qur'an are not altered [4] and recite odes which are not according to the conditions aforementioned [5], and even that is accompanied by good intention, where is any obstacle [in it being permitted]? [6]

my master!

a thought occurs to this poor man that if we do not close this door totally, those given to their desires will not restrain themselves. if you permit them little, this will grow into more. it is a well-known saying that 'little gives way to more'. [7]

wa's salam.

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1. the idiom means: there is nothing wrong with it.

2. to recite the qur'an in tunes such that they alter the correct pronunciation of the verses.

3. clapping hands and singing is not permissible for ordinary poetry too; as for qur'an, it is all the more prohibited.

4. such that tajwid of qur'an is maintained.

5. no clapping of hands etc.,

6. imam rabbani quddisa sirruh, clearly says that there is no obstacle (rukawaT) if the mawlid is recited properly.

7. anybody without prejudice can clearly see that imam rabbani is criticizing the wrong way of celebrating mawlid and those who turn qur'an into singing.
 
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i will not be surprised if these people claim that alahazrat was also against mawlid. after all, he refuted singing and money-taking practices (not unlike ibn al-Haaj or imam rabbani).

so the next thing you can expect from these bashful beings with their tremendous modesty is that alahazrat was against mawlid.

see his fatwa here.
 
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Likewise ibn al-Hajj, despite agreeing to the merit of Rabi al-Awwal and paying it due respect, clearly dismisses the organised celebration of mawlid as a reprehensible bid'a.
whereas ibn al-Haaj was criticising certain prevalent practices. just like imam rabbani's quote below there is plenty of dishonesty here.

in short: imam suyuti in his Husn al-maqsid listed ibn al-Haaj's opinion and praised it as an excellent statement proving the permissibility of mawlid! after copying ibn al-Haaj's statement, he further elucidates it.
 
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i was just listening to the late mawlana pir nasiruddin nasir's tazmeen:

ihtiram e nabawi dakhil e aadat na sahi
sheer e madar meiN aseeloN ki najabat na sahi
ghar meiN aadab e risalat ki riwayat na sahi
aur tum par merey maula ki inayat na sahi
najdiyo kalimah paRhaney ka bhi iHsan gaya?
 
i was surprised when the person conceded that he was wrong about imam rabbani's quote. from the post which i have now deleted, he says:
I will concede, having read al-Sirhindi in the Arabic, that he was condemning unrestrictedly (mutlaqan) the qira'at al-mawlid (the reading during the mawlid) and not the mawlid itslef. But this in no way justifies the accusation of lying, and this is not a reason to ignore the quotes I provided from the other ulema.
at the outset, it looks reasonable; but looking closer, it is the same old subversion. he then switches to the definition of bid'ah and quotes from here and there giving the impression that all of these quotes are about the same thing.

arguing with such people is a waste of time. moreover, he had already posted his last post in this matter.
 
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the arabic link which was kindly provided has a nice footnote. the translation is the same, vol.3, page 144.

translation of the footnote:
know that the imam has prohibited mawlid absolutely in various letters, and his intention is - may Allah sanctify his secret - as he has explained in this letter. that is, the prohibition is on account of the [prohibitive] conditions mentioned above.

this is not an evidence for the wahabiyah to prevent [the mawlid]; may Allah ta'ala humiliate them and those who follow them in their footsteps.

i say: aameen yaa rabb!

update: muzammil is fretting that i missed the 'mutlaqan' in my translation of the footnote. it is ironical coming from those who wantonly impute meanings to elders crafted from imagination and translate things that don't exist (as in the quote cited by faqir); but still, we are not like them and do not need to hide behind mistranslations. it was a mis-step, but if i had run through the translation once again i would have certainly added it, of my own accord.

nevertheless, i have repaired it above - all i did was add 'absolutely'. muzammil has made his last post and any post in this thread will be deleted. if he does not refrain, he will be banned.

i have a feeling that posting this footnote was a mistake. muzammil will now go hunt for these quotes in the maktubat and present THOSE at the next opportunity. al-iyadhu billah.





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