Pir Abdul Qadir Jillani Attacks Imam Bukhari

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here is what a recent scholar has to say about the hadith: (cant see any attack on imam bukhari though)

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]SUPPORTERS OF YAZID [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The people who support and love Yazid present a Hadith that is noted by Imam Bukhari; they attempt to prove that Yazid was a noble and pious person and will enter Paradise. With the help of Allah Most High I will show that this Hadith was not written about Yazid, and there is no proof that he will enter Paradise. The narrators of this Hadith were enemies of Imam Husain and his family and they were the supporters of Yazid and his tribe. For that reason the hadith does not provide an unbiased and impartial proof which can be used in Yazid's favour. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Imam Bukahri writes that the Prophet [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
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[/FONT] (Allah bless him and give him peace) has said that the first group of people from amongst my followers who fights in the battle of Rome (Istanbul) will be granted forgiveness by Allah Most High. When the Muslim fought the battle of Rome in 51 A.H, Yazid bin Mu'awiya was appointed the leader of that Muslim army. In this battle Sayyiduna Abu Ayyub Ansari was also martyred while fighting with the Unbelievers.
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Bukahri Kitabul Jihad chapter Room [/FONT]​
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This Hadith was for the people who would willingly go to Jihad (war) and were prepared to sacrifice their lives for the sake of Allah Most High. It was not for the people who were be sent by force to participate in that battle. Yazid did not participate in that battle willingly, he was sent to fight by forceby Amir Mu'awiya. Some scholars maintain that this Hadith applies only to those who have not committed any kind of sin which would otherwise prevent them from entering Paradise. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Allahma Ibn Atheer writes that in the 50 Hijra, Sayyiduna Amir Mu'awiya, may Allah Most High be pleased with him, sent an army to Rome and appointed Sufyan bin Au'f as leader of the army and he also ordered his son Yazid to go with the army. Yazid did not obey Amir Mu'awiya and said that he was feeling ill; Amir accepted this excuse and said that he should not go as he was ill. During the war soldiers fell ill due to food shortages. When Yazid heard of this he stated that he had no concern for the plight of the soldiers of Islam, when he was able to enjoy the comforts of his home with his beautiful wife, Umea Kulsum. When Amir Mu'awiya heard what Yazid had said, he called Yazid and ordered him to go where the army was so that he could experience the suffering of the soldiers of Islam. Amir sent a small army of people with him; this small army consisted of many pious people, including Sayyiduna Ibn Abbas, Sayyiduna Ibn Umar, Sayyiduna Ibn Zubair, Sayyiduna Abu Ayyub Ansari, and a other pious people; eventually they reached Istanbul, and fought in the battle. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][Tareek-Eh-Kamil Ibn Atheer chapter on government of Amir Mu'awiya stories of the 50 Hijra][/FONT]​
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This hadith clearly shows that Yazid did not join the army of Mulsims voluntarily, but he was sent by force. Thus how can it be claimed that he will be rewarded with Paradise? [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Their first narrator's name is Yahya bin Hamza. Hafiz Ibn Hajar Asqlani writes that Imam Mu'een says he was a Qaddri (from a misled sect). Imam Aajiri says I asked Abu Dawud whether Yahya bin Hamza was a Qaddri and he confirmed that he was.. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][Tahzeeb ut-Tahzeeb - biography of Yahya bin Hamza] [/FONT]​
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The second narrator's name is Thur bin Yazid Kelai Himsi. Hafiz Ibn Hajar Asqlani writes that Imam Ibn Sa'd said he was a Qaddri, and his grandfather was killed in the war of Siffeen fighting for Amir Mu'awiya. Whenever Thur used to talk about Sayyiduna Ali he used to say that he did not like the person who killed my grandfather. Uthman Darmee notes that he had not seen a person like him who was suspected of being a Qaddri. Ahmed bin Saleh narrated the narration from the people of Syria that Thur was a Qaddri. Imam Uzai used also to say bad things about him. Imam Ibn Hamble says that Thur bin Yazid was a Qaddree. Imam Ibn Mu'een says that Maqhul was Qaddri and later repented, but Thur bin Yazid never repented and remined a Qaddri. Aajiri says that he was a Qaddri and he was exiled from his town. Regarding the second narrator Hafiz Abdur Rahman Ibn Hatim says that Abdullah bin Ahmed Humble says that my father Ahmed Ibn Humble used to say that Thur bin Yazid was a Qaddri. Tahribut Tahzeeb biography of Soar bin Yazid. Imam Dhahbi writes that Imam Ibn Humble said that Thur bin Yazid was a Qaddri and the people from his town threw him out. Abdullah bin Salim says that the people of Hamas threw Thur out his town and set fire to his house because he used to talk against the faith. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Mizanul A'tidal biography Thur bin Yazid by Imam Zahbee. [/FONT]​
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]We can see that the narrators explaining this narration are from a misled sect and thus was the enemy of Sayyiduna Ali and a firm supporter of Yazid. How then can this narration be used as evidence that Yazid will be granted Paradise? [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]After reading about Yazid no one can say that Imam Husain should not have opposed Yazid. No one can dare say that Yazid was a righteous and pious person, and that Allah Most High was pleased with him. No one can say that Imam Husain should have given his hand in the hands of Yazid and accept him as the true ruler of the Muslims. Only a person who is against our Prophet's family can make such claim. [/FONT]
 
Interpretation is one thing... but weakening the hadith based on attacking one of the Prophet's aunts and the dabt of two of its narrators is ridiculous.
 
INSHALLAH Today Sheikh ul Hadith Alama Hafiz Muhammad Ashraf Qadri who has answered accusations of the Rawafiz http://www.islamieducation.com/ur/تقاریر/allamah-hafiz-ashraf-qadri.html over 40 Speeches online !
INSHALLAH the shaykh will speak on this issue and also speak on the issue of the Sahabiya Pir Sahib Attacked. It will be online here as soon as possible. Also INSHALLAH he will prove Imam Bukhari had love for the Ahlebait and took hadith of them.

JAZAK ALLAH
 
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faqir why dont you analyse the hadith then if you think your a better scholar.
 
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anybody with a basic education in hadith or the adab towards hadith will not speak like this. there are so many mistakes in this short clip starting from the citation of the hadith itself. the wording of hadith is:
awwalu jayshin min ummati yaghzuuna madinata qaysara maghfurun lahum
the context of this hadith is umm Haram herself and her love for martyrdom, not the baseless accusation made by shah sahib that she traveled to exonerate yazid.

and the group in which she traveled according to one account is in the year 27/28 AH during the caliphate of sayyiduna 'uthman; some others said that it was in the 'time of mu'awiyah' (ayni adds that it does not necessitate in the caliphate of mu'awiyah). regardless, this 'travel' occurred much before yazid. ubadah passed away in 44 or 45 AH. radiyallahu anhu.

and where does damascus figure? there is Hims and there is qubrus (cyprus), but where is damascus?

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moreover, where is sayyiduna sa'ad in the picture? [videotime 4:34] sayyidah umm Haram (her name was rumaySaa or ghumaySaa; but some have disputed one or both) was married to ubadah ibn samit who took her on a ship for jihad. none of the rijal books i have seen so far mention the 'divorce'.

umm Haram was umm sulaym's sister. umm sulaym bint milHan is the mother of anas ibn malik and RasulAllah's sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam wet-nurse according to some muHaddithin. we will see some details later, inshaAllah.

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everything is mixed up in this clip and shah sahib takes liberties to tell what RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam did or did not on his own. as if shah sahib knows the routine of RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam, better than anas ibn malik himself.

the hadith cited in this hapless talk simply does not have the mention of lice; actually, it is in another hadith (yeah, shah sahib assertion that umm haram's narration is in ONLY ONE hadith is baseless. there are at least 7 places in bukhari where a similar/related narration is found.)

remember, that we know about RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam as his companions narrated to us and cannot be rejected merely on the whims of people 14 centuries later.

it is our responsibility to correct wrong information fed in the name of hadith or its explanation. wa billahi't tawfiq.

'hadayat' indeed.
 
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xfactor said:
faqir why dont you analyse the hadith then if you think your a better scholar.

the hadith is sahih according to Imam al-Bukhari - and nothing this or that pir says will change that. you have Imam al-Bukhari on one hand and pir saab coming out with all sorts of laughable 'hadith criticism' - who do you think will be correct?
 
faqir said:
the hadith is sahih according to Imam al-Bukhari - and nothing this or that pir says will change that. you have Imam al-Bukhari on one hand and pir saab coming out with all sorts of laughable 'hadith criticism' - who do you think will be correct?
but not all hadiths in bukahri are sahih, the scholar abu ammar has discussed this in his book understanding the ahlussunnah you may want to read that book. however i agree that this pirs analysis is completely wrong and agree with abu hasan.
 
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Humble request

I would greatly appreciate it if somebody was to kindly summarise all the objections raised so that I may forward them to Hadrat Shah Sahib - may Allah preserve him - and receive a prompt response.
 
we're still awaiting a response from the previous video muhammadi bhai re: the maqalat of al-ashari which was refuted by shaykh GFH!
 
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i was reading still and came across one narration in tabaqat ibn sa'ad (vide fat'h al-bari) that ubadah ibn samiT divorced umm Haram and she married 'amr ibn qays thereafter.

there are a couple of problems with this report and one way to reconcile is that she was first married to ubadah and he divorced her; she married 'amr ibn qays and he was martyred; and then she remarried ubadah.

raDiyallahu 'anhum ajma'yin.

[fat'H al-bari, under hadith 6283]

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Allah ta'ala knows best.
 
abu Hasan said:
the context of this hadith is umm Haram herself and her love for martyrdom, not the baseless accusation made by shah sahib that she traveled to exonerate yazid.


umm Haram was umm sulaym's sister. umm sulaym bint milHan is the mother of anas ibn malik and RasulAllah's sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam wet-nurse according to some muHaddithin.

This hadith is narrated in greater detail in Shah Sahib's another speech as posted by Muhammadi in this thread. The above facts are also corroborated (see the clip around 22:40 min). In this speech, there is no attempt to cast any aspersion on Umm Haram radiyallahu anha or on Imam Bukhari himself.

Rather the hadith is stated to be munkar on the grounds of specific narrator Umair bin Aswad Ansi Damashqi being unreliable for various reasons (such as being alone in such narration, of unknown background, being ghair-mahram to Umm Haram etc.)


abu Hasan said:
the hadith cited in this hapless talk simply does not have the mention of lice; actually, it is in another hadith (yeah, shah sahib assertion that umm haram's narration is in ONLY ONE hadith is baseless. there are at least 7 places in bukhari where a similar/related narration is found.)

The above facts are again stated in Shah Sahib's aforementioned lecture. He goes on to state at least 6 other hadith from Umm Haram (5 from Sahih Bukhari and 1 from Sahih Muslim). Shah Sahib also rubbishes the hadith on lice (see the clip around 56:40 min).

The hadith of Constantinople as narrated in the first hadith (in Shah Sahib's lecture) is proven in his speech to be weaker compared to 6 other hadith he goes on to cite later. The later hadiths are narrated by people of Madina (as opposed to the first one coming from a chain of narrators in Damascus) and by thiqa Sahabis related to Umm Haram radiyallahu anha.


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I am puzzled why Shah Sahib needed to discredit Imam Bukhari and cast aspersion on his love for ahl ul-bayt, when he also delivered a well-reasoned and researched speech as refered above. It would have been understandable if someone unversed of facts had made disparaging statements, but it's surprising that these statements were made despite the knowledge of the facts (presented by Shah Sahib himself).

The detailed speech is definitely worth listening (though I'm not qualified enough to judge the contents).

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I don't think that the clip posted by ST is doctored. The clip is very much from Shah Sahib (even though the selective presentation of short clip may raise questions on distortion of context).


It appears that Shah Sahib's questioning Imam Bukhari's intention occurred in his weaker (emotional) moment. Ironically, Shah Sahib himself prefaces his lecture (as posted by Muhammadi) by saying that although he is capable of delivering emotional speech, he has chosen to deliver the afore-mentioned lecture in a deliberate manner. Clearly emotions got better of Shah Sahib in short clip (presented by ST for his obvious motives).


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All of sudden, taz (and faqir) come crawling out of the woodwork!
 
2766 حدثني إسحاق بن يزيد الدمشقي حدثنا يحيى بن حمزة قال حدثني ثور بن يزيد عن خالد بن معدان أن عمير بن الأسود العنسي حدثه أنه أتى عبادة بن الصامت وهو نازل في ساحة حمص وهو في بناء له ومعه أم حرام قال عمير فحدثتنا أم حرام أنها سمعت النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول

That 'Umair bin Al-Aswad Al-Anasi told him that he went to 'Ubada bin As-Samit while he was staying in his house at the seashore of Hims with (his wife) Um Haram. 'Umair said. Um Haram informed us that she heard the Prophet saying.....

More later...
 
It appears that Shah Sahib's questioning Imam Bukhari's intention occurred in his weaker (emotional) moment.
what does that mean sherkhan?

What kind of a pir is he if he cannot even control his nafs? All those 'murids' are lost I tell ya mate. They are all lost.

All of sudden, taz (and faqir) come crawling out of the woodwork!
dont start that deobandi thing again. to me your crawling is no different from their crawling. its all the same.
 
edit mod [aqdas]: if you don't want others to bring deobandis into it, then why are you?

I will tell you. Shah Sahib is someone who is not worth a dust particle under the blessed na'layn of Imam al-Bukhari raDyAllahu 'anhu.

The above facts are again stated in Shah Sahib's aforementioned lecture. He goes on to state at least 6 other hadith from Umm Haram (5 from Sahih Bukhari and 1 from Sahih Muslim). Shah Sahib also rubbishes the hadith on lice (see the clip around 56:40 min).

'Shah Sahib' questions the scholarship of Sayyidina Imam al-Bukhari raDyAllahu anhu? I know why. Listen to that long speech again. How many times does 'Shah Sahib' use the urdu phrase

'maza aa jaye ga'

So its all about maza and jokes. I can bet the vast majority of the uncles sitting in front don't even know their basic farD 'ayn properly and they are being taught the weaknesses in Bukhari Sharif

lahawla wala quwwata illa bilAllah
 
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reply to Aqdas:

Its an example Aqdas, example of a double standard. Its not my problem the example, ashraf ali tahanavi, happens to be deobandi. I could have used some other example.
 
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