Pir Abdul Qadir Jillani Attacks Imam Bukhari

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La'nat-e-Shakhsi is also a Sunni Mauqif

abu Hasan said:
i have a tough time disagreeing with both extremes.
You are entitled to your opinion.

abu Hasan said:
we don't send la'nat on individuals unless there is a explicit naSS to that effect.
I recognise that the above is a Sunni mauqif amongst a few others however I opine Imam Ahmad bin Hambal, Imam Taftazani and Imam Suyuti's [etc.] mazhab is musib in this particular issue.

abu Hasan said:
and a mistake is a mistake - whoever does it.
Imam Ghazali, Imam Bukhari and/or Shah Sahib.

abu Hasan said:
Allah ta'ala knows best.
Allah Ta'ala knows best.
 
mazhab is musib in this particular issue.
as usual, you have no distinction between the general and the specific and generally try to get away with a brushing aside argument. and you have no dalil except your own fancy that this is musib.

imam ahmed's position was specific to yazid as he considered him a kafir; and this is conveyed by ibn al-jawzi, whom shah sahib ridiculed in another lecture. anyway, that does not entitle you to send la'anat specifically on anybody you please. you and your friends at yn are acting as if you are mujtahids and our elder scholars were incompetent whereas you folk don't know the basics of islam. the dunning-kruger paper was meant for you.

have you learnt yet that iddah is for women and not for men?

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Imam Ghazali, Imam Bukhari and/or Shah Sahib.
indeed, imam ghazali or imam bukhari might have made mistakes, but:
a. these mistakes are not in the issues on which shah sahib excoriates them accusing them of bigotry.

and

b. their mistakes are not the same as shah sahib's - both in quality and quantity. apart from the fact that he is nowhere in comparison to them or their huge contribution to ahl as-sunnah.
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i don't expect the fanatical admirers of shah sahib to change, but i hope those who are munsif (judicious) to see that they are careful in taking from a man who makes so many mistakes. some are so sordid, where he overturns the usul/principles held by the entire jama'ah. i cannot understand how you can argue with that in spite of facts that can be verified easily.

for example, in a recent clip (which you demand a full version be posted; i will concede that it could be out of context) shah sahib says that Allah's name does not coincide with abu bakr or umar except with that of 'ali.

in which case, other sahabah who had hum-nam (similar to the name of Allah) should also be special

1. salam, the nephew of abdullah ibn salam

2. rafi'y, about 36 sahabah are named rafi'y

3. Hakam, about 19 sahabah

4. Hakim, about 9 sahabah

5. barr

6. Jabbar (although, RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam renamed one of them to Abdu'l Jabbar)

7. nafi'y, about 19 sahabah named thusly

8. ghaniy (though his being saHabi requires examination)

9. ali: there are about 13 sahabah named ali including mawla ali karramAllah wajhah.

the point is that, the distinction carved out of this non-issue is obviously non-existent. indeed, mawla ali had many superior attributes but just because that name coincided with one of the names of Allah makes him superior to abu bakr is certainly not a valid one.

if it is only a name that indicate greatness, then the first SaHabi to named as siddiq is abu bakr as-siddiq; and the qur'an puts down the order thus:

Allah has favored upon the prophets and siddiqs and martyrs and the pious [v.69 from surah an-nisa]
this clearly demonstrates that after the nabiy, it is siddiq - and there is tawatur that RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam himself named abu bakr as siddiq.

Allah ta'ala knows best.
 
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Imam Ghazali, Imam Bukhari and/or Shah Sahib.

I took a few boxing lessons at one point in time and I've just come up with a stupid rhyme.

It was a sport I liked to play, so I guess you could mention me with Mohammad Ali Clay!

a. these mistakes are not in the issues on which shah sahib excoriates them accusing them of bigotry.

and

b. their mistakes are not the same as shah sahib's - both in quality and quantity. apart from the fact that he is nowhere in comparison to them or their huge contribution to ahl as-sunnah.

building on that, I would like to mention:

c) To offer an objective critique of someone, one has to be a contemporary in order to present all direct and circumstantial evidences in support of such criticism AND one has to be at par with the one he/she is critiquing. (which means, in our case, we will only accept evidences by scholars on the 'aqidah of the Ahlus Sunnah. Any evidence presented by ahlul bid'ah or ahlul kufr doesn't even count for furphy!)

Roughly 12 centuries later, NO ONE is in a position to offer any objective evidence in praise of or against Imam Bukhari, except that which comes to us by way of other Sunni scholars who have mentioned him over the centuries. We can read and praise his work but we simply can't objectively judge it.

So the million dollar questions are:

Which muhaddith or giant scholar of the Ahlus Sunnah who was a contemporary of Imam Bukhari, has accused him of harboring ill feelings towards the Ahlul Bayt? (we're not talking about the other ijtihadi errors that Imam Bukhari may or may not have committed)

Who amongst the scholars of that era have said that he had engineered the selection of ahadith and/or chain of narrators in his book for the sole purpose of branding yazid as a jannati? Who amongst our greats has said that he had an infatuatuation towards yazid? ("baa-qaayedegi se" "tadbeer" and "sirf yazid ko jannati kehne ke liye" are the exact words he has used)

Leave aside contemporaries or those of a closer era. Who amongst the era of Ibn Abidin or Ali al-Qari has made such claims?

Which of the subcontinental greats have even hinted at such- Mujaddid Alf Thaani, Shah Abdul Haq, Shah Abdur Raheem, Shah Waliyullah, Imam Ahmad Raza and others?

rahimahumullaah

I concede I am not a mufti or scholar or even a proper student of knowledge. This is a very objective question from my side, not an attempt to be sarcastic or smart. If you (Muhammadi) have answers to these questions in defense of this gentleman, please bring them forward.

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My assumption is that he would have made similar statements about Imam Ghazali. (i.e, malice towards Ahlul Bayt)

Would like to ask the same questions on that point: What are the direct and circumstantial evidences that Sunni scholars have provided, IF ANY, in support of such a claim, if indeed such a claim against Imam Ghazali existed before this gentleman's allegations.

Perhaps we could start a new thread on it.

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Disclaimer:
My comments on this gentleman are restricted to his allegations against Imam Bukhari (and possibly Imam Ghazali). Regarding the tafdeel issue, I have asked some qualified people I trust for some definitive details and explanations regarding the ijma' and any real or perceived ikhtilaf, along with final rulings- which is not something possible through the internets and forums where any one can copy-paste snippets from books and/or spin words around them for any reason- with due respect to all sincere and educated Sunni brothers on all forums.
 
There is also another very important question related to your previous posts AbdalQadir. The question is, what do Sunnis have to do with all of this. That Imam Bukhari was against the ahl al-bayt.; that Imam Ghazali was against the ahl al-bayt. Why is Shah Sahib raising these issues these days? Who needs them? Does it help our imaan in the ahl al-bayt get stronger? juveniles onlookers get the wrong idea and outcomes YN.

But I personally believe, it is the same thing that is happening in Walthamstow, that had happened earlier with the Habashis and their Shaykh in Lebanon.

For example, on the issue of the Qibla, Shaykh Harari had a particular opinion. Shaykh NuH Ha Mim Keller mentions this. But when clarified by other Sunni scholars, Shaykh Harari agreed with the other position and changed his mind! But immediately, he was interrupted by one the henchmen (a bodyguayrd, a 'murid') around him, and his voice was subdued, and the murid's voice became louder eventually causing Shaykh Harari to be quiet and the murid speak instead. So, the wrong position of the Habashis regarding the Qibla in North America persisted. But it could have ended right there, if it were not for these 'murids'.

It is highly probable that Pir Abdul Qadir Jilani is being pushed onto these NO-ISSUES by someone around him from his 'murids'. These people are using him for their aspirations, and then suddenly posting him on to their pathetic website.

I clearly remember Tahir Riaz saying on his YN website, that Shah Sahib dearly loves hasnain shah, the twelver shia. Tahir was saying that hasnain shah is very knowledgeable. I was asking him whether hasnain shah was a scholar. So, all of this useless commotion is the result of this.

I wish objective people, or may be brother Muhammadi realizes this and informs Pir Abdul Qadir.
 
a humble request to the mod who removed my former post 124 on this thread. if there was an academic/Islamic reason for it, it would be much appreciated if you could advise me of my mistake, be it publicly or privately, for my own knowledge. if there was another reason, its your call if you wish to let it be known or not.
 
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