SuleimanalMuslim
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Lol Sidi Abu Hasan. I think the message was that we all are thinking what you are thinking Sidi AbdalQadir but we should try and do something practical about it
prof. maimoona of QTV and her disrespect
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QUOTE=AbdalQadir. right now Dawate Islami women's ijtima's are doing a great job of educating sisters
Brother AbdalQadri, I've attend many Dawat e Islami womens programs. They are very good in Naaths but their alimas still have no knowledge of Quran and Hadith. I didn't hear any hadiths frm their alimas even when I asked them questions and proofs.
Then I was given tapes by Maulana Ilyas Qadri and thought that he is Ameer e Ahl e Sunnat so must be knowledgable. Some brothers were praising him to the sky. I was dissapointed because he too could not quote a single hadith with references. He is surely doing something right because people are following him but his talks could never defend Sunni aqidah against Wahabis because they ask for references from Quran and Hadith.
If you attended one lecture by Shaikh Babikar or Hadhrat Yazdani, you would never Bother to listen to Maulana Ilyas Qadris talks. They quote Quran, hadith and scholars, this book, that book while our Ameer e Ahle Sunnat can't. It's just all hype like the Peer Sab on one TV channel. It's all very upsetting. But then the objection of learning frm men comes in so we can't learn from Shaikh Babikar or Shaikh Yazdani. So what are we supposed to do? That is why many sisters are just joining w***, D*** and HT circles. They are getting married, converting their husbands and their children.
There gatherings are too far for me anyway.
Brother AbdalQadri, I've attend many Dawat e Islami womens programs. They are very good in Naaths but their alimas still have no knowledge of Quran and Hadith. I didn't hear any hadiths frm their alimas even when I asked them questions and proofs.
Then I was given tapes by Maulana Ilyas Qadri and thought that he is Ameer e Ahl e Sunnat so must be knowledgable. Some brothers were praising him to the sky. I was dissapointed because he too could not quote a single hadith with references. He is surely doing something right because people are following him but his talks could never defend Sunni aqidah against Wahabis because they ask for references from Quran and Hadith.
If you attended one lecture by Shaikh Babikar or Hadhrat Yazdani, you would never Bother to listen to Maulana Ilyas Qadris talks. They quote Quran, hadith and scholars, this book, that book while our Ameer e Ahle Sunnat can't. It's just all hype like the Peer Sab on one TV channel. It's all very upsetting. But then the objection of learning frm men comes in so we can't learn from Shaikh Babikar or Shaikh Yazdani. So what are we supposed to do? That is why many sisters are just joining w***, D*** and HT circles. They are getting married, converting their husbands and their children.
There gatherings are too far for me anyway.
SuleimanalMuslim
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Bismillah...
Siti Hayaa', out of interest, why do you need to study the refutations of the Ibn 'Abdul-Wahhabi's? I ask this becuase generally scholars start with Fard 'Ayn before moving on to Fard Kifayah and as we know it is not mandatory to use refernces. Look at the works of the Madhhahib. In most books on Furu' you will find hardly any references yet they are backed up when we actually go and check...
An example of what I am saying can be illustrated in the following: When studying Fiqh, would you memorize each vidence of each Hukm? If yes, it would probably take you a year or more to get through the 'Ibadaat. So what we do is learn the proofs for the Usul, realize that they the Furu' really are derived from these by going through a few examples and then get on with mastering the Furu'.
These days, those well-educated in the secular sense get caught up in the DIY Islam thing. I will just list one of their arguments and demonstrate the shallowness of thought:
They say: You follow Imam ash-Shafi'i (for example). How does he know all the Ahadith? And if you follow him while awair of a Sahih Hadith contrary to the Madhhab, then you are mistaken following the Imam.
I say: The Muqallidin of a given Madhhab are not making Taqlid of 1 Imam. Rather the Imam played a significant role in developing the Usul - Method of understanding the source texts (for example "what to do with the Athaar of the Sahabah"). They studied with many of the greatest teachers of their times and had many students who revised the Usul and if they found a Hadith (for example) not yet incorporated into the Madhhab, they would analyze it according to the Usul and act accordingly. This happened century after century for at around 1000 + years.
Thus the Madhhab incorporates ALL the Ahadith in a systematic manner. Ignoring 1000+ years of the cross-generational co-orporation from a civilisation whose very topic of enduring interest was the science of Islam is a very stupid thing to do. Off course this does not eliminate questioning but I guarantee you, ask a question about evidences and the scholars have definately already dealt with it unless the topic was not around at the time.
By the way, here are a great set of articles on Ibn 'Abdul-Wahhabis:
The Re-Formers of Islam Excerpts
The Mas'ud Questions
The Q-News Articles
http://masud.co.uk/ISLAM/nuh/evolve.htm
Keep me in your duas,
Wassalam
Siti Hayaa', out of interest, why do you need to study the refutations of the Ibn 'Abdul-Wahhabi's? I ask this becuase generally scholars start with Fard 'Ayn before moving on to Fard Kifayah and as we know it is not mandatory to use refernces. Look at the works of the Madhhahib. In most books on Furu' you will find hardly any references yet they are backed up when we actually go and check...
An example of what I am saying can be illustrated in the following: When studying Fiqh, would you memorize each vidence of each Hukm? If yes, it would probably take you a year or more to get through the 'Ibadaat. So what we do is learn the proofs for the Usul, realize that they the Furu' really are derived from these by going through a few examples and then get on with mastering the Furu'.
These days, those well-educated in the secular sense get caught up in the DIY Islam thing. I will just list one of their arguments and demonstrate the shallowness of thought:
They say: You follow Imam ash-Shafi'i (for example). How does he know all the Ahadith? And if you follow him while awair of a Sahih Hadith contrary to the Madhhab, then you are mistaken following the Imam.
I say: The Muqallidin of a given Madhhab are not making Taqlid of 1 Imam. Rather the Imam played a significant role in developing the Usul - Method of understanding the source texts (for example "what to do with the Athaar of the Sahabah"). They studied with many of the greatest teachers of their times and had many students who revised the Usul and if they found a Hadith (for example) not yet incorporated into the Madhhab, they would analyze it according to the Usul and act accordingly. This happened century after century for at around 1000 + years.
Thus the Madhhab incorporates ALL the Ahadith in a systematic manner. Ignoring 1000+ years of the cross-generational co-orporation from a civilisation whose very topic of enduring interest was the science of Islam is a very stupid thing to do. Off course this does not eliminate questioning but I guarantee you, ask a question about evidences and the scholars have definately already dealt with it unless the topic was not around at the time.
By the way, here are a great set of articles on Ibn 'Abdul-Wahhabis:
The Re-Formers of Islam Excerpts
The Mas'ud Questions
- Ibn Taymiyya and Ibn Kathir
Was Ibn Kathir's aqida influenced by Ibn Taymiyya? - Imam al-Ash'ari repudiating the Ash'ari aqida?
- Reforming Classical Texts
How widespread is tampering of texts by the Salafis. - Dawud al-Dhahiri and Ibn Hazm
- Was Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal an anthropomorphist?
- Do Ibn Baz and al-Albani have Ijazas?
- Haqiqat al-Muhammadiyya
- Ibn Hajr al-Asqalani and the Asharis
The Q-News Articles - Ibn ‘Ata' Illah’s The Book of Wisdoms (al-Hikam al-‘Ata'iyya)
- What is a Madhhab?
Why is it necessary to follow one? - Is it permissible for a Muslim to believe that Allah is in the sky in a literal sense?
- Which of the Four orthodox Madhhabs has the most developed fiqh
for Muslims living as minorities? - Who or what is a Salafi?
Is their approach valid? - How would you respond to the claim that Sufism is Bid'a?
- What is the distinction between hadith and Sunna?
- What is the meaning of "Qawwamuna" as used in Surat al-Nisa' verse 34?
- Would you advise individuals to study hadith from al-Bukhari and Muslim on their own?
- What did you set out to do when you began writing the Reliance of the Traveller?
- The Concept of Bida' in the Islamic Sharia
Nottingham and Trent University 25th January 1995. - Why Muslims Follow Madhhabs
Islamic Cultural Center (Regents Park Mosque) January 1995, Bradford University
27th January 1995, Birmingham Central Mosque 29th January 1995. - Literalism and the Attributes of Allah
Islamic Cultural Center (Regents Park Mosque) 28th January 1995. - The Place of Tasawwuf in the Traditional Islamic Sciences
The Islamic Foundation (Markfield Center, Leicester) January 1995
and Croydon Mosque 30th January 1995.
http://masud.co.uk/ISLAM/nuh/evolve.htm
Keep me in your duas,
Wassalam
ottomanhanafi
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Re Dawate Islami of all the Sunni orgainsations they are staunch sunnis in that they do all the mahafil etc but they focus on the basics. Ameer e ahle Sunnat is surely blessed because through him literally millions have come back to the deen and they adhere steadfastly to salah and sunnat which is devoid amongst other sunnis. I think of all the shuyukh he is actually worthy of all the titles bestowed to him. Yes in terms of defending our 'aqeedah he can't reelof references but he definetely knows how to instill fear of akhirah amongst the masses and focusses on something sunnis are often accused of lacking which is the basics.
sister read their books on their website
they have many proofs against wahabi-ism with references from Quran & Sunnah
although you may be right about the muballigheen not being full fledged 'aalims
Sheikh Ilyas too in his talks gives references, although I know a lot of Sunnis do not care about spreading Sunni-ism the way wahabis work like in their dawah... you might have heard just the wrong talks
Dawate Islami is one of the few organizations that has at least taken the initiative... and they need to be encouraged
they have many proofs against wahabi-ism with references from Quran & Sunnah
although you may be right about the muballigheen not being full fledged 'aalims
Sheikh Ilyas too in his talks gives references, although I know a lot of Sunnis do not care about spreading Sunni-ism the way wahabis work like in their dawah... you might have heard just the wrong talks
Dawate Islami is one of the few organizations that has at least taken the initiative... and they need to be encouraged
thats a billion dollar post by ottomanhanafi
he has mentioned the stuff i was trying to waffle about in my previous post in this thread
Sheikh Ilyas Attar Qadri hafizdhahullaah is one of the few Sunni scholars who has prioritised many things in Sunni-ism properly for us, above and beyond the "Sunnis just for Giyarwinh" routine... he is one of the few people who can be called a TRUE inheritor of Ala Hazrat and indeed other Sunni 'ulema
Personally, I don't have much exposure to desiland and their 'ulema, but I think after Mufti A'zdham hind, he is the next great sheikh.
disclaimer: i don't have an itch against Giyarwinh and Quran Khwani and Na't Khwani and other "extras" but as per Ala Hazrat's reiterating the basic "Sunni common sense" concept in his own fatwas, doing nawafil without focusing on faraid is sheer jahalah... i DO have an itch against maulwis who address Allah as "uparwala" and are engrossed in a bunch of non-Sunni stuff without calling people to the rightly prioritized matters of the deen, but they won't miss a Giyarwinh or Yaume Ala Hazrat and their share of the halwa and murgha for the world!
he has mentioned the stuff i was trying to waffle about in my previous post in this thread
Sheikh Ilyas Attar Qadri hafizdhahullaah is one of the few Sunni scholars who has prioritised many things in Sunni-ism properly for us, above and beyond the "Sunnis just for Giyarwinh" routine... he is one of the few people who can be called a TRUE inheritor of Ala Hazrat and indeed other Sunni 'ulema
Personally, I don't have much exposure to desiland and their 'ulema, but I think after Mufti A'zdham hind, he is the next great sheikh.
disclaimer: i don't have an itch against Giyarwinh and Quran Khwani and Na't Khwani and other "extras" but as per Ala Hazrat's reiterating the basic "Sunni common sense" concept in his own fatwas, doing nawafil without focusing on faraid is sheer jahalah... i DO have an itch against maulwis who address Allah as "uparwala" and are engrossed in a bunch of non-Sunni stuff without calling people to the rightly prioritized matters of the deen, but they won't miss a Giyarwinh or Yaume Ala Hazrat and their share of the halwa and murgha for the world!