what are deobandis?

Can someone make this into a pamphlet or book plz. Its no good stuck on this website. Everyone looks like they are becoming Deobandi this Ramadhan.

Aq I'm sure Taqi Usmani wrote again Meelad Shareef.
 
i think we're all to aware abt Justice sahab and his deviance, think AQ was being sarcastic sister. I found sum of ur comments re cousin marriages on DP quite hilarious btw.
 
ottomanhanafi said:
i think we're all to aware abt Justice sahab and his deviance, think AQ was being sarcastic sister. I found sum of ur comments re cousin marriages on DP quite hilarious btw.

Yeah I was going to give them more answers but its Ramadhan so I just backed off.

Is anyone going to make a book or pamphlet because everyone needs this stuff.
 
Mufti Ebrahim Desai is a leading scholar of the deobandi sect. Someone asked him a question regarding deobandi scholars [Please check Question 3195 from United States].

Mufti Ebrahim gave a lengthy reply to this question.

Here we shall discuss one point which Mufti Ebrahim has mentioned. Whatever Mufti Ebrahim desai wrote has been mentioned in red colour.

False Allegation
Ashraf Ali Thanvi, a founder member of Deoband says: 'The Holy Prophet
(Sallallaahu ?layhi Wasallam) has an education like that of children,
lunatics and animals of every category.' (Hifzul Imaan pg. 7)

The Truth
The view of Hadhrat Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi is that: Hadhrat Moulana was
asked, 'Did you in Hifzul Imaan or any other book write anything directly or
indirectly comparing the education of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu ?layhi
Wasallam) to that of children, lunatics and animals? If not then what is
your ruling regarding a person who holds such a belief?'
In reply to that Moulana states, 'Let alone writing such falsehood and
filth, my heart had never even perceived such falsehood and verily if anyone
holds such a belief he is out of the fold of Islam.' (Faisal-e-Khusoomat pg.
21)

Clarification
Hadhrat Hakimul Ummah, Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi (author of the famous
'Bahishti Zewar') did not write the abovementioned statement in Hifzul
Imaan. Nor is it his belief. It is a slander on the said Moulana. In fact
Hadhrat Moulana has stated clearly in 'Hifzul Imaan' that, 'Knowledge with
regard to the Excellence of Prophethood has been bestowed totally upon Rasul
(Sallallaahu ?layhi Wasallam) (Hifzul Imaan pg. 12)

We see that as per Mufti Ebrahim Desai, Maulvi Ashraf Ali thanvi did not write any such statement

Please check this link to see the original scan from Maulvi Ashraf Ali Thanvi’s book.
http://www.falaah.co.uk/refutation/wahabi/82-refuting-deobandi-mufti-part-3-.htmlhttp://www.falaah.co.uk/refutation/wahabi/80-refuting-deobandi-mufti-part-3-.html

Readers can see that Maulvi Ashraf Ali Thanvi did write this blasphemous statement.

Now the question is:Why did Mufti Ebrahim Desai Lie?
 
Sunnistudent we need this as a book or pamphlet QUICKLY. Like me I think every will know someone who is becoming a follower of Deobandis. Plz someone print this.
 
the Deceits of Deobandis

The article which appeared on Deobandi org as
'Repelling the Deceits of Al-Barelwi surrounding the Issue of Imkan al-Kadhib
An original Deoband.org article
By Mawlana Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri
Translated by Zameelur Rahman '
It is written(May Allah forgive me for quoting) against A'ala Hazrat.Rah as
"Al-Barelwi said that he has in his possession a copy of the fatwa of the deceased shaykh in photocopy form containing what he mentioned, it is from his inventions that he invented and forged by himself, as a slander against the shaykh (Allah sanctify his secret). Such lies and slanders are insignificant for him, for he is the teacher of teachers in this and all of them are dependent on him in his time, and indeed he is a distorting manipulator and a scheming imposter, sometimes creating outright forgeries. He is not less than the Masih al-Qadiyani, since the latter claims messengership manifestly and openly, and the former conceals [hopes of] being the mujaddid, and anathematises (yukaffiru) the ‘ulama of the Ummah, just as the Wahhabis, the followers of Muhammad ibn ‘Abd al-Wahhab, anathematise the Ummah (Allah Most High disgrace him as He disgraces them)"
How to deal with these slanders?
I have written against them in Marifa forum. and sent emails to sunni student.
 
To clarify( so that people should not think that I am a wahabi/deobandi):

sunnistudent( with no space) is different from sunni student( with space between sunni and student).

My Id on this forum is sunnistudent and I used the same Id on marifah forums before I was banned.
 
jab tawaqq'u hi uTh gayi ghalib
kyuN kisi ka gilaa karey koyi?

----
how can you debate with liars?

one way is to ask them for proof: on which page on which book is the 'slander' khalil claims? [himself a master of distortion, lies and hypocrisy vide muhannad.] where is the proof for taqi usmani's blatant lies? but don't expect them to give you any proof - they will just write two pages of irrelevant material and claim that they have provided proof.

all this shows that the deobandi does not believe in judgement day; and if he did, he does not fear that he will be called to account on that day.

---
but when we present the proof and shatter their illusions, the vermin run into corners, hiding, and then shamelessly reappearing after a while with the same lies in a new garb.

===
i have reasons to believe that this zameel on deoband is the same as ibnarabi on our forum, the same zindiq whose pathetic faith prompted him to say:
Where does it say it is intrinsically impossible for Allah to have a flaw? I quoted shaykh Buti earlier as saying "He is not disabled to do so, but He is exalted to commit indecencies and all misdeeds...by His own free decision". Hence since lying is a flaw Allah chooses to be free of it.
and
Allah is munazzah from all flaws - I do not deny this. But why is Allah free of all flaws? Is it because of intrinsic impossiblity or contingent? You have not addressed this question from the words of the scholars. You have seen shaykh Buti's comments - are those comments kufr?
among other lies and patent forgeries (he claimed razi and others for his odious belief of imkan kadhib).

astaghfirullah. wa billahi't tawfiq.
 
Last edited:
The article which appeared on Deobandi org as
'Repelling the Deceits of Al-Barelwi surrounding the Issue of Imkan al-Kadhib
An original Deoband.org article
By Mawlana Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri

It is very important to know about the aqida of Maulvi Khaleel Ambethvi . Please read this:



Khaleel Ambethvi al Deobandi

He wrote many blasphemous statement regarding prophet ( sal allahu alayhi wa sallam). One such statement has been mentioned above.


During his debate at Bhawalpur, he was propogating the deobandi belief that Allah can lie .( may Allah save all the muslims from this evil belief . Ameen)

His main argument was that since human beings can lie , so Allah must have power to lie!
He also said that Allah has power to steal ,drink ( sharab khori), ignorant ( juhal) and attrocity ( zulm), otherwise human beings will have more things under their power than Allah.

[ Tazkirat al Khaleel,p.146 , by Aashiq Ilahi merathi]

http://www.falaah.co.uk/refutation/wahabi/186-debate-at-bhawalpur.html


"Al-Barelwi said that he has in his possession a copy of the fatwa of the deceased shaykh in photocopy form containing what he mentioned, it is from his inventions that he invented and forged by himself, as a slander against the shaykh (Allah sanctify his secret).


Yes, Maulvi Rashid Gangohi did give a fatwa of waqu e kidhb.​
 
As-salamu 'alaykum

If you have the scans of the quotes, please put them online here.
Else I've the got the books. I can find the pages and scan them, in sha'a Llah.

Why don't someone make a page with all suchs scans gathered on one page. I have a lot of scanned pages from Fatawa Rashidiyya with anti-sunni writings.

Allah Hafiz
 
sunnistudent said:
Mufti Ebrahim Desai is a leading scholar of the deobandi sect. Someone asked him a question regarding deobandi scholars [Please check Question 3195 from United States].

Mufti Ebrahim gave a lengthy reply to this question.

Here we shall discuss one point which Mufti Ebrahim has mentioned. Whatever Mufti Ebrahim desai wrote has been mentioned in red colour.

False Allegation
Ashraf Ali Thanvi, a founder member of Deoband says: 'The Holy Prophet
(Sallallaahu ?layhi Wasallam) has an education like that of children,
lunatics and animals of every category.' (Hifzul Imaan pg. 7)

The Truth
The view of Hadhrat Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi is that: Hadhrat Moulana was
asked, 'Did you in Hifzul Imaan or any other book write anything directly or
indirectly comparing the education of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu ?layhi
Wasallam) to that of children, lunatics and animals? If not then what is
your ruling regarding a person who holds such a belief?'
In reply to that Moulana states, 'Let alone writing such falsehood and
filth, my heart had never even perceived such falsehood and verily if anyone
holds such a belief he is out of the fold of Islam.' (Faisal-e-Khusoomat pg.
21)

Clarification
Hadhrat Hakimul Ummah, Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi (author of the famous
'Bahishti Zewar') did not write the abovementioned statement in Hifzul
Imaan. Nor is it his belief. It is a slander on the said Moulana. In fact
Hadhrat Moulana has stated clearly in 'Hifzul Imaan' that, 'Knowledge with
regard to the Excellence of Prophethood has been bestowed totally upon Rasul
(Sallallaahu ?layhi Wasallam) (Hifzul Imaan pg. 12)

We see that as per Mufti Ebrahim Desai, Maulvi Ashraf Ali thanvi did not write any such statement

Please check this link to see the original scan from Maulvi Ashraf Ali Thanvi’s book.
http://www.falaah.co.uk/refutation/wahabi/82-refuting-deobandi-mufti-part-3-.html

Readers can see that Maulvi Ashraf Ali Thanvi did write this blasphemous statement.

Now the question is:Why did Mufti Ebrahim Desai Lie?


Here is a Video of Deobandi Mnazir from India justifying the Gustakhi of Ashraf Ali Thanwi..

If he hadn't written the statement then why the justification:
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheEmpireofFaith#p/u/10/KEY6i_icbHM
 

That is Tahir Gayawi al-deobandi the so called "debator" from deobandi sect. I don't even remember how many debates he has lost to sunni scholars. The most famous one was when he lost to Mufti Motiur Rehman ( may Allah preserve him . ameen). A deobandi scholar who was also a part of debate ( assisting Tahir gayawi) ,he accepted the true islam ( ahlus sunnah ) after this debate.

I have the written testimony to this. Later this deobandi maulvi gave his 'marksheet " and "passing out certificate" ( from darul uloom deoband)showing that he was deobandi but now he is a sunni.

We published and distributed this entire thing in big posters.
---

Look at the words and examle this Tahir Gayawi is using to support the disrespect shown to our prophet ( sal allahu alayhi wa sallam) by deobandi scholars.

Very recently Tahir Gayalwi was invited to deliver a speech at kolkatta. Instead of the organizers some one else reached airport to receive him and Tahir Gayalwi went with them.

These people took Tahir in a vehicle to some remote place and warned him not to continue his filth against Islam.

This was in newspaper. The scholars of Ahlus sunnah condemned this , by saying , that even though Tahir Gaywai al deobandi suppoerts and love those who show disrespect to prophet( sal allahu alayhi wa salalm) , still people should not commit wrong things.

It is still not known who was behind this.
 
Istighathah: Seeking aid from other than Allah

Istighathah:


Seeking aid from other than Allah

An original Deoband.org article

By Saad Khan
This article proves that Deobandis are Wahhabis.
For eg :
The practice of istighathah - which is to call for such help from the creation, which is beyond their natural means - would be impermissible and a possible cause of shirk. And this is because asking such help from the creation, which is not in the ambit of natural means or proven through authentic texts, implicitly attributes such qualities to the creation that in reality solely belong to Allah.
Also:
‘Allamah Sarfaraz Khan Safdar (d. 1430H / may Allah have mercy on him) mentions that seeking help is of two types: (a) Within the means (ma taht al-asbab) and (b) beyond the means (ma fawq al-asbab).
Regarding the difference between help which is within the normal means and beyond normal means, he explains that while the first type is established through the Qur’an, hadith, the Companions (Sahabah) and the Pious Predecessors (Salaf), the second type has no basis in Islam and has been declared haram and shirk in Shari’ah by jurists.[1] The seeking of the latter type of help is only restricted to Allah. (Guldasta Tawhid, p.135. Also see his Tafsir lecture of Surah Fatihah)
.
This is the same person who had accused the Great scholar of Makkah as having Bid'at belief.He had written:
An Arab from Makkah, Muhammad bin 'Alawi Maliki Sahib (who is by maslak a Barelwi)------------------'He is more bid’ati than Ahmad Raza Khan Barelwi'.
[sunniforum under: Beliefs of Muhammad ibn Alawi Maliki and the scholars of Deoband]
 
The practice of istighathah - which is to call for such help from the creation, which is beyond their natural means - would be impermissible and a possible cause of shirk.

One can read above posts to see that Deobandi scholars approved and practiced Istighatha.

If it is shirk, then they would be calling Shah Imdadullah Muhajir makki (Rh) , Maulvi Rashid Gangohi and Maulvi Ashraf Ali Thanvi of practicing shirk. That would mean whole deobandi sufi tariqa would remian null and void , because how can some one do bayyah on the hands of a mushrik ?. If it is a bid'ah then it would mean doing bayyah on the hands of a biddati. It is upon them to decide.


‘Allamah Sarfaraz Khan Safdar (d. 1430H / may Allah have mercy on him) mentions that seeking help is of two types: (a) Within the means (ma taht al-asbab) and (b) beyond the means (ma fawq al-asbab).
Regarding the difference between help which is within the normal means and beyond normal means, he explains that while the first type is established through the Qur’an, hadith, the Companions (Sahabah) and the Pious Predecessors (Salaf), the second type has no basis in Islam and has been declared haram and shirk in Shari’ah by jurists

Readers have full right to know who was Maulvi Sarfaraz Khan and what were his belief.

Please read about him here:

http://www.sunniport.com/masabih/showthread.php?t=8392


An artcile can be written refuting these claim which is trying to potray Haji Imdadullah (Rh) as a mushrik and biddati.

However, it is enough to mention the narration recorded by Hafiz Ibn Kathir. He writes:

'Umar (may Allah be pleased with him), whilst delivering a Friday sermon in Madina, called out and said, 'Ya Sariah! The mountain.' That very moment, Sariah (may Allah be pleased with him) was in a place in Persia called Nahawand, engaged in a battle with the enemy"

[Ta'rikh Ibn Kathir, chapter on 'The Khilafa of 'Umar']

What 'Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) meant by his call was: O Sariah! Seek protection behind the mountain.Sariah (may Allah be pleased with him) heard this and was subsequently saved. When the people heard these words during the Friday sermon they were surprised.After winning the battle, Sariah came to Madina. He related how they had been under attack by the enemy. Suddenly they had heard'Umar's voice and hid behind the mountain and were saved.


Now this was not with in the normal powers of Sayyedina Umar (Rd), But Allahu'tala who is not bounded by any laws, gave this power in the voice and eye of Umar Radiallahu anhu.


Secondly, at this place it should also be mentioned that the birth of Maulvi Ashraf Ali Thanvi was not through normal means( ma taht al-asbab) as it is documented in his biography Ashrafus Sawaneh. I do not feel proper to mention that incidence as this is a public forum.


Thirdly, this division of (a) Within the means (ma taht al-asbab) and (b) beyond the means (ma fawq al-asbab) itself has no basis from Qur'an , Sunnah and the books of Jurist.

It is a bida'h promoted by a sect to full fill their desire.

I think this one quote is sufficient to end the topic of Istighatha:

Is it permissible to recite Ya Shaykh Abdal Qadir Jilani Shayn Al Lillah?
Answer

[By Maulvi Rashid Gangohi al-deobandi, Fatwa Rashidiya, p.67-68]

“ ………… If someone recites (this wazifa) thinking that Shaykh (Abdal Qadir Gilani) can change or influence things with his own self power ( mutasarrif bil dhat) or Shaykh is the knower of the unseen from his self power( aalim al ghayb bil dhat) , then he ( the reciter of the wazifa) is a mushrik. And if he recites with this belief that Allahu ta’ala informs (ittila) the Shaykh (Abdal Qadir Gilani) and the Shaykh can full fill the needs ( haajat barar’ai) from the command of Allah ( bi izni hi ta’ala), he will not be a mushrik. …….”
 
Those who want to read scholastic refutation of Maulvi Sarfaraz Khan Safdar on the issue of a) Within the means (ma taht al-asbab) and (b) beyond the means (ma fawq al-asbab), please read the book Tawdih al Bayan by Allama Ghulam Rasul Saeedi . This topic is discussed in the begining.

Those who don't have this book , can download it from this link[ uploaded by brother Noori]

http://www.sunniport.com/masabih/showthread.php?t=8344
 
in short, deobandis are filthy gulabi wahabis -- fouler than the actual wahabis. i have never met one of the so-called "moderate" deobandis which allegedly exist without them revealing their inner dirt sooner or later. our master ala hazrat :ra: knew about their filth when he wrote about them. like the tail of a dog which remains curly despite attempts to straighten it a deobandit is a deobandit is a deobandit. the "we also do mawlid and say Ya Rasul Allah صلى الله عليه وسلم type only exist on the WWW in the presence of Arabs and are even firmer in theiir staunch support of their so-called akaabirs when push comes to shove. After 15 years online I advise my pure and lovely Sunni brothers to keep away from deobandis in all their guises.

Dushman e Ahmad pe shiddat kejiye...
 
Stick to the swords of Ahle Sunnah like Sayyid Irfan Shah sahib and the late Sayyid Shabbir Shah alayhirahmah and dont be taken in by the so-called "maadran" crew.

After all when it comes to aqeedah their is NO compromise especially vis-a-vis Our Master Sayyidina Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم. There CAN BE no compromise.
The worst that will happen is they will accuse you of being narrow minded Barelvis. It is a badge of honour. Wear it with pride.

Ya Allah! Ya Rasool Allah! Ya Ali! Haq Chaar Yaar! Ya Ghawth al Azam!
Maslak e Ala Hazrat Zindabad!
 
Back
Top