Refutation of Sh. Nuh Keller´s, "Iman, Kufr & Takfeer" by Maulana Faizan al Mustafa

n brief D******is and wahhabis are sailing in the same boat and the author as well is on the boat with them. Both the groups are Kaafir in the view of Jurists. More over the rank of D******is is higher as they are Kaafir according to both the Theologians (Fuqaha) and Scholastics (Mutakal’limeen).

So is it being implied that Shaykh Nuh Hafizahullah is a Kafir?
 
Yes it is being implied, but more so it is being stated that both groups (deobandis and wahhabis) are kaafirs.

That is quite an enormous statement to make.

And apart from that, i think the scholastics and theologians are the wrong way around (but thats minor)
 
SuleimanalMuslim said:
So is it being implied that Shaykh Nuh Hafizahullah is a Kafir?

OMG. No one should be going round calling others kafir. That is just plain extreme.
 
hayaa said:
OMG. No one should be going round calling others kafir. That is just plain extreme.

And is it then not extreme saying that our Creator, the Divine Lord of all of the Worlds has the flawed capacity to lie?
 
Final Version

Please ignore the previous releases of the article on this forum and yanabi.com. I spoke to ml. Faizaanul Mustafa (the compiler). He has requested that these be deleted and has given the bros from gatewaytomadina.org permission to release the final ver.

please note that should anyone wish to query or rectify anything within the article, they can contact him directly. faizaan.ulmustafa@gmail.com

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A JUST RESPONSE TO THE BIASED AUTHOR (SHAYKH NUH KELLER)

Written by Shaykh Faizaan ul-Mustafa
This is a detailed response, compiled by Shaykh Faizaan ul-Mustafa al-Qadiri, to the article written by Shaykh Nuh Ha Mim Keller wherein he discusses the issues relating to Iman, Kufr and Takfir. Shaykh Faizaan ul-Mustafa al-Qadiri's compilation reflects the true meaning of these issues and the flaws and many contradictions found with the article originally written by Shaykh Nuh Ha Mim Keller.

The article can be downloaded in PDF format here:
A JUST REPLY TO THE BIASED AUTHOR
 

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I would request the mods to delete the other documents that have been uploaded, especially those with Huzoor Taajush Shari'ah's name. (PLEASE).
 
Page 82 of Chishti-Raza's attachment in post number 7.

"In brief Deobandis and wahhabis are sailing in the same boat and the author as well is on the boat with them. Both the groups are Kaafirs in the view of Jurists."

Leaves very little room for tawil at what he thinks of nuh keller, and rightfully so.

Alhamdulillah Sunnis finally gave a response [.............edited.............]
 
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I'm confused now. I thought that this article was by Shaykh Faizaan Mustafa (who I communicated with) but some brothers have told me that it is actually by Sayyidi Mufti Akhtar Rida. Does anyone know which is Mufti Akhtar Rida's article then?
 
Reflections on Sh Nuh's refutation and counter rebuttal

Aslaamu 'alaykum,

We should all take a step back and control our emotions and reflect upon a few facts.

• Firstly, forum members should read the counter rebuttal article ‘A Just Response to a Biased Authour’ without reading the last paragraph first as it is ambiguous as this is not a fatwaa possibly highlighting the proximity to those who have historically stumbled.

• Secondly, let the rebuttal evidence and logic steer your mind and thoughts other than any sectraian or partisan motives.

Lets pray for the haqq to illuminate and for the accurate ijtihad to prevail.

Background

Shaykh Nuh appears to have written the original unfortunate article ‘Iman, Kufr and Takfir’ which has been in the public domain on his website

http://shadhilitariqa.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=37

for more than two years without any retractions or disclaimers from himself, his mureeds, students and associates. Therefore the Shaykh has to take full responsibility for the content, rulings, aspersions and misgivings that has instigated this response ‘A Just Response to a Biased Authour’ which appears to be more technical than partisan. Because Shaykh Nuh penned his thoughts in black and white regarding a fatwa provided by a deceased colossal 'Aalim - whose works, mass following and tributes are a testimony to his brilliance, sincerity and global appeal then and today.

He easily has a following of over 350million subcontinent ‘linked’ Muslims who are guided by his penetrating, clear and evidenced based elaboration of the Sunni, Marturidi, Hanafi and Sufi principles and possible trappings especially pertaining to affording the correct adab, hubb, tazeem and haqooq; navigating the pitfalls of detractions, and championing orthodox Sunni aqeedah, fiqh and tassawwuf.

Shaykh Nuh must rethink his position in light of this detailed and scholarly response which raises many questions pertaining to his intent, scholarship, grasp, motivations and interests.

Some questions:

1. Why did Shaykh Nuh not consult the ‘Ulema of the Barelwi community in UK or Pakistan whom he had access to? – as they have in the main been his main hosts and facilitators (even to this day) and allowed him open access to their members, communities and resources especially in the UK. NB - At the time when Shaykh Nuh’s article was released he was in Lahore at the time!
2. Why did Shaykh Nuh not consult his ‘learned’ and ‘connected’ mureeds who could have helped him shape a more accurate and better informed writing.
3. Why Shaykh Nuh has not read some of the specific works of Imam Ahmad Raza Khan pertaining to these very issues – which I hear he has been trying to gather after he released the article his website.
4. How come he has no real awareness of the historical chronology and grasp of the views of contemporaries pertaining to these issues leading to the build up to the eventual haramayn endorsed fatwa and incorrectly accusing Imam Ahmad Raza Khan for coining the term imkan al-kadhib
5. How would he have dealt with the ‘ulema of deoband who were not ordinary scholars, teachers or mosque imam’s but carried distinguished titles as hakim ul ummat’, ‘muhaddith’, ‘shaykh al hind’ and ‘shayk ul islam’ but were tainted by their irresponsible writings that entailed ‘indefensible breaches of proper respect’ were ‘unacceptable’, ‘repungant’ and vulgar to Muslims of all times repulsive ‘in any Islamic community’. Keeping things real how is he dealing or has dealt with the blasphemous comments of the Mufti of Shaam or is he querying his ‘intent’ too? Shaykh Yaqoobi has clearly taken a stand and made his view public suffering some personal consequences as a result similar to Imam Ahmad Raza Khan who took a stand in his time against a kaleidoscope of fitnah’s the ramifications of which are felt even today through the clearly drawn dividing line between haq and baatil. Surgeons make life and death decisions daily based on their knowledge and responsibility and competently qualified 'ulema should be able to clearly demarcate the parameters of faith and infidelity for the laity and not sit on the fence or tie themselves in knots withwaswasa



The unfortunate thing is:


Shaykh Nuh was recently made aware that the scholars of Damascus – including prominent students of Shaykh Badr ud din Hassani - that they honoured and held in high esteem Imam Ahmad Raza Khan beyond his fataawa he was provided scanned copies of their letters to him

We know that the Shaykh intentions for unity appear noble but to questions the integrity, intentions interpretation, ‘Ilm and rulings of a highly reputable Sufi and Jurist who dealt with the challenges of his time that even plague us today is extreme. How was this deliberate subversion of faith to be tackled at the time that took root in world post Islamic State in India in the grips of colonialism with rise of many fitnah’s in the Subcontinent that were identified, analysed and warned about by the likes of Imam Ahmad Raza Khan which included wahabism, qadianism, ahle Qur’an, literalism, modernists, naturalists, deniers of hadith, pseudo scholars, charlatan Sufis, deobandi’s, shia’s, nasbi’s, tafzili’s, rafidi’s, bidati’s, and the threat from their highly organized missionary movements and religious institutes all masquerading as ‘Ahle sunnah’ & ‘Ahle Haqq’ . Do the scholars who come after be better judges of the intent and struggles of earlier ‘ulema from a different era, culture and place by simply observing the unfolding impact of the historical phenomenon.

A scholar in the absence of an Islamic state, without holding a post in the Ottoman empire was able to get the greatest scholars of his time from Makkah & Medina, Damascus & Yemen to agree with his findings shows his stature as scholars amongst his peers.

Some have asked by putting Imam Ahmad Raza Khan in the dock is the next person up for a pardon or exoneration Ismail Dhelwi, Mirza from Qadyaan, ibn Taymiyya, Elijah Muhammad, Ibn Abdul Wahhaab, Ibn Saba or even Yazid?. Where is this ‘retrospectively’ leading too! What is the Shaykh’s research say of all the other scholars who wrote against Deobandi’s blasphemies as well as those who supported and endorsed the fatwa are they all to be retrospectively questioned with this new inquisition into ‘intents’ – did they all overlook this single point!

Apologies for the crude analysis but just think how hundreds of millions have felt for the last few years with the trickle of muffled taunts is the Hanafi ‘Barelwi’ community going to furnish a response to this fresh technical work or be dismissive like the Deobandi’s who too have not faired well at the hands of Shaykh Nuh either as commented upon by Mufti Taqi Usmani. Shaykh Nuh from this counter rebuttal has unfortunately been placed among the ‘subvertours’ ship probably resulting in irreparable damage to his scholarly standing unless he responds in a manner that undo’s the very knots he has tied himself in.

May Allah (swt) guide us to the manifest Haqq and I seek forgiveness from all
for any perceived lack of adab (Ameen) but 'living issues' can bring prejudices and emotions acutely into focus which people are susceptible to both intentionally and unintentionally.


Khuda Haafiz for now

Abu Fayz
 
To add to that abu fayz he should have also looked at the response at that time by the likes of Murtaza Hasan Darbinghi who tried to explain what the deobandi leaders had written and what they had actually meant and why the fatwa of Kufr wasn't correct. Numerous supporters of Thanwi et al tried to do this but to no avail.

None of these explanations were accepted by our esteemed Scholars at the time and A'la Hazrat's fatwa not only stood up to scrutiny then but continues to do so now.
 
He easily has a following of over 350million subcontinent ‘linked’ Muslims who are guided by his penetrating

that's quite an exaggerated number imho, and i am saying that very objectively, only considering his circle of influence, regardless if that influence is positive or negative

unless he regularly appears on famous a TV channel or is a politician, you simply can't pin that number on him or anyone else who is only famous in a few circles of [good and bad] knowledge and the internet

quick googling shows the 2009 worldwide Muslim population (sure those guys might have probably counted kharjis, rafidis, ismailis and other heretics/mulhids too) to be at roughly 1658 million ... 350 million would be a rough 21% of the world's stated Muslim population

I assure you NO SINGLE SHEIKH's circle of influence is that much in our times, regardless his sect or group
 
i struggled hard to keep quiet, but i have to say that the 'response' misses the point by miles, takes a right turn and goes south. the issues with shaykh nuh's sub-standard article are not adequately answered and if there are any valid points, they are drowned in lengthy quotes and fallacious inferences. it appears that shaykh nuh's article was translated to urdu and the response was in urdu and thereafter translated back to english.

much has been lost in translation back and forth.

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if someone asked me if there was a rebuttal to nuh keller, i would certainly not mention this response.

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for all sunni brothers who are reading this, just calling shaykh nuh names or abusing him is not only bad, but also damages our already bad reputation. anybody who cannot contribute to this discussion constructively should keep quiet. it is saddening to note that those who appear to have no introduction to the science of kalam or aqidah, coming up with their own analogies and explanations. in their zeal to 'defend' sunni aqidah, they chalk up a few horrendous statements themselves.

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also, i believe that shaykh nuh is a sincere person misled by those around him (as he most likely does not understand urdu) and in his eagerness to 'bring together' sunnis and deobandis, he has made this mistake. in the follow up, he made a bigger blunder of siding with the 'imkan al-kadhib' aqidah.

shaykh nuh is respected in the english-speaking world and this blunder - a blatant contradiction of the creed of ahlu's sunnah - will have far reaching repercussions. there is a sound reason why we have to refute this: because future generations will consider our silence as a proof that indeed, this abominable belief of 'imkan e kizb' is valid or perhaps has some basis.

many are already going down that path. it is not about settling scores. it is not about some group talking ill of the ahl al-Haqq, the righteous folk. it is about the correct creed of the ahlu's sunnah.

we hope and pray for a response that can influence nuh keller to change his opinion about this repugnant statement that 'falsehood is not intrinsically impossible'* and save the aqidah of thousands of his followers and admirers. wa billahi't tawfiq.

Allah ta'ala knows best.

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*one of the devices of the ahl al-bid'ah is that they try to use complex language and double negatives to confuse people. unfortunately, nuh keller has sided with those who have insulted the prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam and with hypocrites who have one face for the arab ulama and another for the general public of the indo-pak subcontinent. he has even taken to use their terminology which is a big comedown for someone who should be guiding his disciples, not imbibing their odious ideas.

in this regard, the citation from sayf al-maslul in 'the just response' is relevant; though, a poor translation destroys that message.
 
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Magnitude of the Barelwi impact & reach

Aslaamu 'alaykum Br Abdul Qadir' and all Forum members

Before we get all emotional I do not appear on this forum lightly nor have time to promote sound bites or get into dead end discussions.

You may want to think about the scale and magnitude of the Muslim population in the subcontinent in relation to the the Arab and African Muslim populations. You may realise that almost half (at least more than 40%) of the world Muslim population is in the subcontinent - around 600 million.


Please read the following from an invite I received regarding a 'living' African Shaykh highlighting is impact and the look at the attached pdf note from an unpublished thesis at Birmingham University. (see below)

Then measure the potential magnitude of the Ahle sunnah currently in the subcontinent as the Sawad e Azam and historically visualise the mass exodus and convergence of Sunni Muslims to the Mughal Delhi Sultanate following the persecution of Sunni Muslims during the Fatimid reign.

Dawate Islami report more than two milllion followers in its immediate network, Janab Hazrat of Kotli was involved in the development of over 350 Mosques, there 4500 Sunni Barelwi active Dars e Nizami madaris registered with Tanzim ul Madaris Al Arbia Pakistan, 12500 madaris are affiliataed to Daira Ma'arif in India, Behra Shareef, minhaj ul qur'an and other similar networks plus the khanqah based pir mureed communities and individual mosques are innumerable. To be the Sawad e Azam you are usually around more than 50% of Muslims.

There are pirs in Britain who report more than 100,00 following each in the Uk alone! I will stop there due to the brevity of time. I let you and Forum readers make your mind up on that.

For your information more than 50% of the Mosques and population in Britain are associated with Barelwi's. The BMF had more than 300 Mosques alone on their register of which 105 are based in the Midlands! (in the future when I have more time I will compile the stats on this point for forum members information) which is linked to ethnic profiling and migration patterns of former colonies.

I will not comment on this any further.

Khuda Haafiz


Abu Fayz

RMW Invite wording

HIS EXECELLENCY CHEIKH TIDIANE ALI CISSE

IMAM CHEIKH TIDIANE B. ALI CISSE HOLDS THE IMAMATE OF THE GRAND MOSQUE IN MEDINA-BAYE, SENEGAL. AS LEADER OF THE TIJANNIYA - FOLLOWERS OF SHAYKH IBRAHIM NIASS (RA) - HE REPRESENTS NEARLY A HUNDRED MILLION FOLLOWERS ACROSS THE WORLD.

Cheikh Tidiane Cisse is an accomplished diplomat, renowned scholar, consummate Gnostic and true ambassador of the Islamic message of co-existence, mercy and justice.

Imam Cheikh Tidiane memorised the Holy Quran in Medina-Baye. In his late teens, he devoted himself full-time to personal instruction (majalis al-ilm), first under his father, Shaykh Seyyid ‘Ali (1971-1972), and then under his grandfather, Shaykh Ibrahim (1973). He was the last student to be personally instructed by Shaykh Ibrahim Niass (RA) in the classical texts, focusing mainly on Arabic literature and poetry. He would later receive the highest of licenses from his father, Shaykh Sayyid ‘Ali Cisse (RA), who told him, “Whatever Shaykh Ibrahim gave me, I am giving you.”

He travelled to Egypt to join Shaykh Hassan Cisse (RA) during his elder brother’s last year of study in Cairo. Like his brother, Imam Cheikh Tidiane Cisse excelled in his formal studies there which he attributes to the rigor of the informal instruction he received in Senegal. He graduated first in his class in the Al-Azhar Preparatory School, receiving his diploma in Arabic Language in 1974. He received his Baccalaureate in 1977 in Arabic Language, graduating fourth in his class. By 1981, he had distinguished himself at the University of Al-Azhar with a degree in the faculty of Usul al-Din and the department of Hadith (Prophetic Traditions).

Upon completion of his studies in Egypt, Imam Cheikh Tidiane Cisse travelled extensively throughout Africa, the Middle East and America, attending conferences, participating in religious debates and propagating the peaceful message of Islam.

The high scholarship of Imam Cheikh Tidiane Cisse was recognized by the government of the Republic of Senegal in 2001, when it appointed him Senegal’s General Commissioner for the Hajj. In 2006, he was again recognized by Senegalese President Abdoulaye Wade and appointed Special Missions Ambassador, a position he continues to hold. In this capacity, Imam Cheikh Tidiane Cisse is responsible for diverse missions to the United States, United Arab Emirates, Egypt, Ghana, Nigeria and other sub-Saharan African nations.

Imam Cheikh Tidiane Cisse is fluent in Arabic, French, English, Hausa and Wolof. In 1993, Imam Cheikh Tidiane Cisse received the Republic of Senegal’s distinguished award, the Orde de Merite. The high esteem in which he is held by his country was revealed in 2008 by the personal visit of President Abdoulaye Wade to the Imam’s home in Medina-Baye.
 

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Madani is right. I thought you were referring to nuh keller's followership. It was my mistake. Nonetheless, i think what i said applies, as i was talking about followerships of individual sheikhs in our times, with all the political divisions and all.
 
abu Hasan said:
i struggled hard to keep quiet, but i have to say that the 'response' misses the point by miles, takes a right turn and goes south. the issues with shaykh nuh's sub-standard article are not adequately answered and if there are any valid points, they are drowned in lengthy quotes and fallacious inferences. it appears that shaykh nuh's article was translated to urdu and the response was in urdu and thereafter translated back to english.

much has been lost in translation back and forth.

---
if someone asked me if there was a rebuttal to nuh keller, i would certainly not mention this response.

---
for all sunni brothers who are reading this, just calling shaykh nuh names or abusing him is not only bad, but also damages our already bad reputation. anybody who cannot contribute to this discussion constructively should keep quiet. it is saddening to note that those who appear to have no introduction to the science of kalam or aqidah, coming up with their own analogies and explanations. in their zeal to 'defend' sunni aqidah, they chalk up a few horrendous statements themselves.

---
also, i believe that shaykh nuh is a sincere person misled by those around him (as he most likely does not understand urdu) and in his eagerness to 'bring together' sunnis and deobandis, he has made this mistake. in the follow up, he made a bigger blunder of siding with the 'imkan al-kadhib' aqidah.

shaykh nuh is respected in the english-speaking world and this blunder - a blatant contradiction of the creed of ahlu's sunnah - will have far reaching repercussions. there is a sound reason why we have to refute this: because future generations will consider our silence as a proof that indeed, this abominable belief of 'imkan e kizb' is valid or perhaps has some basis.

many are already going down that path. it is not about settling scores. it is not about some group talking ill of the ahl al-Haqq, the righteous folk. it is about the correct creed of the ahlu's sunnah.

we hope and pray for a response that can influence nuh keller to change his opinion about this repugnant statement that 'falsehood is not intrinsically impossible'* and save the aqidah of thousands of his followers and admirers. wa billahi't tawfiq.

Allah ta'ala knows best.

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*one of the devices of the ahl al-bid'ah is that they try to use complex language and double negatives to confuse people. unfortunately, nuh keller has sided with those who have insulted the prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam and with hypocrites who have one face for the arab ulama and another for the general public of the indo-pak subcontinent. he has even taken to use their terminology which is a big comedown for someone who should be guiding his disciples, not imbibing their odious ideas.

in this regard, the citation from sayf al-maslul in 'the just response' is relevant; though, a poor translation destroys that message.

I haven't had time to go through the response and thus, I can not comment too much upon the response by Shaykh Fayzan ul-Mustafa

I will say this---responding to Nuh Keller's mistakes (and I'm using mistakes in lieu of other words of a harsher manner) is something of the utmost importance and must be done! Similarly, another priority of the utmost importance is informing the masses about these issues in a simple manner that will not intimidate them or leave them uttterly confused.
 
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