Shias and Rafidis

This is what Imam Rida says about Tabarrari's (those who do tabarra of the shaykhayn, in other words, those who are rawafiD)

2. tabarrâyi (sabbiyyah) : they don't profess such egregious beliefs but indulge in abusing the SaHâbah.

some people among this group reject the khilâfah of the shaykhayn raDiyAllâhu `anhumâ. these people are considered kâfir among the fuqahâ as is evident from khulâSah, hindiyyah etc. *BUT* the correct ruling is that of the mutakallimîn and that is they are bid`yis – subject to hell and dogs of hell – but not kâfirs. to marry a woman who belongs to this group, is valid but is profusely disliked. because it is from the Hadîth 'laa tanâkihûhum' / don't marry the people of bid`ah.

it is in SaHîH Hadîth that a man cursed a she-camel. RasûlAllâh SallAllâhu `alayhi wa sallam told them to leave the she-camel since it had become accursed. after this nobody ever touched that she camel (muslim).

it should be noted that a she-camel, is in no way liable to be cursed. it doesn't deserve to be cursed. but a tabarrayi rafiDi who curses the shaykhayn is himself cursed by Allâh. "these are the people who are damned by Allâh, and the damnation of the damners upon them" (2:159)

hence it is not desirable to live with a woman who is accursed (because of her cursing the shaykhayn).
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I think it is clear English
 
sunnistudent said:
Sufficient quotes from Hanafi scholars have been provided to show their stance on Rafidis.

My intention is not to compel anyone to accept anything. I only post what the scholars have said.

Insha Allah when we shall start a thread on shias, I will post scans from shia books ( arabic/ persian and urdu) where they have cursed Sayyeda Ayesha Siddiqa (radi allahuta'ala).
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I have tonnes of these scans. And internet rafidi sites are full of the cursing of Umm al-Mo'mineen. Them attacking Sayyida 'Aisha raDyAllahu 'anha. But that does not mean, we do BLANKET TAKFIR of the 70 million people in my country.
 
Wadood said:
This is what Imam Rida says about Tabarrari's (those who do tabarra of the shaykhayn, in other words, those who are rawafiD)



I think it is clear English
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Yes brother english is fine. But unfortunately Imam Ahmed Raza Khan wrote his fatwa in Urdu and it states:

عالمگیریہ میں ہے:یجب اکفارالروافض فی قولھم (وعد بعض عقائد ھم المکفرۃ وقال)وھٰؤلاء القوم خارجون عن ملۃ الاسلام واحکامھم احکام المرتدین کذافی الظھیریۃ۔۱؎

رافضیوں کو کافر قرار دینا ضروری ہے ان کے عقائد کی بابت (یہاں روافض کے بعد عقائد کفر یہ ذکر کرکے ہندیہ میں فرمایا کہ) یہ قوم ملت اسلامیہ سے خارج ہے، اور ان کے احکام مرتدین جیسے ہوں گے جیسا کہ ظہیریہ میں ہے۔(ت)
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(۱؎ فتاوی ہندیۃ الباب التاسع فی احکام المرتدین نورانی کتب خانہ پشاور ۲ /۲۶۴)

Rafidis are disassociated from the boundary of Islam (Millat-e-Islamia) and they are regarded as APOSTATES. (FATAWAH RAZVEEIAH, VOL. 6, PAGE 25, Old edition.

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Good to hear that English is fine, and I am aware Imam Rida wrote in Arabic and Urdu, he also writes

some people among this group reject the khilâfah of the shaykhayn raDiyAllâhu `anhumâ. these people are considered kâfir among the fuqahâ as is evident from khulâSah, hindiyyah etc. *BUT* the correct ruling is that of the mutakallimîn and that is they are bid`yis – subject to hell and dogs of hell –

but not kâfirs
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Now, who is the group that rejects the Shaykhayn raDyAllahu 'anhuma?

The tabarrai's (twelvers/ismailis/pretty much all the shiite sects except most zaydis, in other words rawafiD)

And the above is taken from fatawa riDwiyya as well.
 
Wadood said:
I have tonnes of these scans. And internet rafidi sites are full of the cursing of Umm al-Mo'mineen. Them attacking Sayyida 'Aisha raDyAllahu 'anha. But that does not mean, we do BLANKET TAKFIR of the 70 million people in my country.
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Brother at one place you admit that internet rafidi website is full of disrespect to mother of the beleievers and on the other hand you say you have some people whom you call as "rafidi" and they do not have rafidi aqida!

When it is said "hindus" are kafir. No one says" do not make a BLANKET takfir upon hindus because some where on this planet we have hindus who do not have hindu beleif.

It does sound stupid. Isn't it? That is the case with fatwa of kufr upon RAFIDIS. The fatwa is BLANKET and clear because these scholars clearly told who a rafidi is.

If certian people do not hold this belief ( of rafidis) then why do you include them unde this fatwa?? If they do not have beleif of rafidis , then they are not rafidis!

And if they have these beleif than why do you want to exempt them from this fatwa??
 
Imam Rida clearly mentions that the correct position is that of the mutakallimeen- that they are ahl al-bid'a. He has clearly mentioned fatwa hindiyya.

All the rafiDi sites on the internet (the twelver shiites ones) hate, insult, and do takfir of Sayyida 'Aisha radiallahu 'anha under close circle, though the sophisticated ones have the public policy of not to attack her, neither to love her.

These twelver shiites, who do tabarra, also fall under the first category of Ghaali, as stated by Imam Ahmad Rida. They are the ones on whom there is an ijmaa' of kufr, and it is NECESSARY do hold them apostate.

No Contradiction in Imam Rida's fatawa.

My country Iran is a rafidi shia country. It is not a kafir country, nor a hindu one.
 
Good to hear that English is fine, and I am aware Imam Rida wrote in Arabic and Urdu, he also writes


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some people among this group reject the khilâfah of the shaykhayn raDiyAllâhu `anhumâ. these people are considered kâfir among the fuqahâ as is evident from khulâSah, hindiyyah etc. *BUT* the correct ruling is that of the mutakallimîn and that is they are bid`yis – subject to hell and dogs of hell –

but not kâfirs
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Brother Wadood. Can you please post the very next statement?
 
i think sidi wadood missed the bit in RED
Answer: [fatawa riDawiyyah, kitab an-nikah; vol.11/pg345, Lahore edition]

Shi`ah fall into three categories:

1. ghâli (ghulât): they repudiate the necessities of religion. for example:

a) to believe that qur'ân is incomplete.
b) to call it 'book of `uthmân'.
c) elevate sayyiduna `ali karram Allâhu wajhah and other imâms above the prophets salawâtAllâhi `alayhim wat taslîm.
d) if these imâms are held to be higher than even ONE prophet.
e) to allege that Allâh `azza wa jall was regretful after issuing a command and hence remorsefully, changed His earlier ruling
f) to allege that Allâh didn't realize the wisdom of a certain ruling (or the lack of it) and when He realized it, He changed the rule.
g) to allege that RasûlAllâh SallAllâhu `alayhi wa sallam practised taqiyyah in the course of his tabligh

those who hold the above and other such statements that amount to disbelief are kâfirs by ijmâ`a. all dealings with them are similar to those with apostates. it is in fatâwâ DHahîriyyah, fatâwâ hindiyyah, Hadiqatun Nadiyyah: [aHkâmuhum aHkâm al-murtaddîn] they are to be dealt with as apostates.

nowadays, most of the rafiDis fall into this category. their scholars and commoners, men and woman all of them seem to profess the aforementioned beliefs, except Allâh willing otherwise.

a woman with such beliefs is an apostate. a Muslim cannot marry her, nor a kafir nor an apostate. if a Muslim marries her and has intercourse, it is fornication. and a child born of such a relation is illegal and considered as a bastard.
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i.e. ala hazrat is saying that most of the shias nowadays are of the ghali type since they profess one of the beliefs a to g which are kufr.
 
Imam Ahmed Raza Khan writes:

It is in Durr al-Mukhtar that:

It is in Bahr al-Rayiq from Jawhara Nayyara Sharh Mukhtasar Quduri that Imam Sadr Shaheed said that whoever speaks ill of Shaykhayn radiyallahu ta'ala 'anhuma or curses them is a Kafir. His repentance is not accepted and the fatwa of Imam Dabbusi and Faqih Abu’l Laith Samarqandi is on this. And fatwa should be on this opinion. This is what is decided in Ashbah and ‘Allama Shaykh al-Islam Muhammad bin ‘Abdullah Ghazi Tamartashi maintained this [Durr al-Mukhtar, 1:357

Here Imam Ahmed Raza Khan clearly supports the opinion mentioned in Durr al Mukhatr and that is: Fatwa should be on this opinion.



Regarding belief of Rafidi scholars


Imam Ahmed Raza Khan writes:
‘It is written in Fawatiar rahmoot , sharah of musallimus thaboot “ I saw in majmiul bayan,the tafsir of rafidis that they have written that this quran is not original. It was different in the beginning and maaz Allah , the companions made changes in it. Anyone who has this belief is a kafir , as he denies one of the essentials of deen


Regarding belief of lay person among rafidis


Generally speaking rafidis are the followers of their mujtahid (scholars.) If some ignorant ( jahil) rafidi is free from these kufr, he will still be bounded by the ruling of these scholars. And even if we assume that there is some rafidi who does not follow the verdict of his own scholars, but he will still not consider these scholars to be kafir inspsite of their kufr. He will still consider them to be leader and religious scholar. And one who does not consider a kafir , who has denied some essentials of the deen ( islam) to be a kafir , he himself becomes a kafir and a murtad.
It is written in Al shifa on the topic of ijmai kufr ( kufr upon the whole group) that anyone who do not call kafir a kafir , or who delays in calling a kafir or who doubts in the kufr of a kafir, he himself become kafir.


Imam Syed Ibn Abideen shami writes about rafidis: These kafirs have combination of different types of kufr , one who doubt in their kufr , he himself becomes a kafir.

Imam Ahmed Raza then quotes different scholars and says Allamh Ameenuddin shami has written that it is the ijma (consensus) of scholars of all the time that those who doubt in the kufr of these rafidis , he himself is a kafir.


Final ruling of Imam Ahmed Raza Khan which he wrote at the END of his book


Imam Ahmed Raza Khan writes:

“To sum up the ruling regarding these rawafids tabarrioon ( those who speak ill of first two khalifs of islam) is that , generally speaking ( bil umoom) they are kuffar and muratd.The animal slaughtered by them is dead( not permissible), to have relationship with them is not only haram but it is zina. Maaz Allah , if the man is rafidi and woman is a muslimah then it is a great punishment from Allahu ta’ala. If the man is sunni and the woman is from those evil people ( khabeeson mein say ho) then also there will be no nikah. It will be zina and children born will be waladuz zinna ( out of wedlock). Rafidi cannot get any share from any of his relative…. To have relationship with their men or women or to say salam to them is a big haram. After knowing their evil aqida ( faith) if someone still considers these people ( rafidis) to be muslim or doubt in their kufr ,then by the consensus of all the muslims he himself becomes a kafir. And the same ruling will apply to him which is applicable to these rafidis. Hence it is important for all the muslims to listen to this fatwa with attention and to act upon this fatwa and be a true sunni msulim.
 
some people among this group reject the khilâfah of the shaykhayn raDiyAllâhu `anhumâ. these people are considered kâfir among the fuqahâ as is evident from khulâSah, hindiyyah etc. *BUT* the correct ruling is that of the mutakallimîn and that is they are bid`yis – subject to hell and dogs of hell –

but not kâfirs
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Brother Wadood, can you please post the senence before it and the sentence after it?
http://www.razanw.org/modules/alahazratbooks/item.php?itemid=74&page=247


In case you say this is the ruling of Imam Ahmed Raza( which is not the ruling upon rafidis) then can you please tell why will be the fatwa of faqiha (jurists) will not be taken here and fatwa of mutakallimoon will be accepted?
 
And for those who do not want to follow Imam Ahmed Rida Khan (rh) in this matter, can read post no 17 in this thread. It has quotes from different Imam's of hanafi fiqh, who were more knowledgable than any one of us in the present time.

They did not consider this issue as a "minor" one. And we see all of them agree on the same ruling.
 
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