A Guardian article attacks rampant "child abuse" & "pederasty" in the Muslim world

[naqshbandijamaati]

This article (by a Shaista Gohir, obviously a modernist as is evident from the article) is interesting:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentis...ederasty?showallcomments=true#end-of-comments

Her claims of bacheh-baazi in Afghanistan and Northern Pakistan is, sadly, true. (I can also confirm that it also occurs throughout Punjab although not as much as in the NWFP). The word itself is Persian (literally playing with young males) and an Iranian once admitted to me it is also prevalent in that country. In fact throughout the Islamic World.

The question arises, "Why?"
My answer is that it is a natural human instinct to be attracted to beauty, whether male or female, and the nafs is encouraged by satan to sin...

It reminds me of the hadith sharif which states, "Beware of beardless youth" (or the meaning thereof.)

 

[naqshbandijamaati]

what do u bros think?

 

[Haroon]

Salam,

The majority of the article is true. Its not limited to Pak-Afghan though, although more prevelant there. I for some reason or another receive a quarterly magazine update from SPARC, which is a child-rights local organisation in Pakistan. The stories told within it are horrific to say the least.

Anyhow, if someone really wants to know more about it, then the following research into exploitation in Pakistan goes into details:

http://www.wgcsae.org/contributions/Situation analysis of Pakistan.pdf

Haroon

 

[Said]

As-salamu 'alaykum,

Disgusting degenerates... What a disgrace!

A'udubillahi min ash-shaytani-r-rajim!

 

[Mohammad Hassan Raza]

Assalaamu 'Alaykum

Such incidents, unfortunately, have occured in some parts of Afghanistan.. But remember only some.. Where many people lack knowledge of Shariah and overall sprituality..

but remember it is restricted to a very small part very few Muslim nations and overall it is socially unacceptable as well as unacceptable by Shariah...

It is done by mostly Tribal people lacking knowledge..

Atleast we are better off than "The Christian Church Perverts"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases
http://article.wn.com/view/2010/04/21/Church_paedophilia_scandal_grows_in_Latin_America/

And the Hindu babas, who despite of holding great positions in the Hindu world have brought a "shame shame" to the entire hindu community

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/india/100402/sex-india-gurus

http://www.ithappensinindia.com/fak...tosh-madhavan-asharam-bapu-krupaluji-maharaj/

http://www.sahilonline.org/english/news.php?catID=nationalnews&nid=7571&viewed=0

And the sites continue to grow on in this..

Have any of you heard any Sunni Ulama blamed for this... Na'auzbillah .. INSHA ALLAH It can never happen ..

ALLAH HAAFIZ

 

[naqshbandijamaati]

Have any of you heard any Sunni Ulama blamed for this... Na'auzbillah .. INSHA ALLAH It can never happen ..

ALLAH HAAFIZ

I wouldnt be so sure of this brother...maulvis who kiddy-fiddle aren´t unheard of amongst Sunnis either in the UK and I´m sure it happens in Pakistan too. Shear stats guarantee it...

 

[naqshbandijamaati]

Also, two wrongs don´t make a right. Just because some Christian priests sodomise boys it doesn´t make it any better if some Muslims do it. Nor should you say, "at least we are better off than the Christian Church Perverts" as it makes you sound narrow minded, a bigot, and, frankly, a twerp.

 

[naqshbandijamaati]

but remember it is restricted to a very small part very few Muslim nations

that´s not true. its not restricted to just a few crazy afghans. the islamic world has always been infamous for this practise. it was prevalent, amongst the public, throughout the ages. you should read richard burton´s travelogues of his journeys through india at the time of the Raj. Believe me, it wasn´t just confined to the Pathans!

I´m not condoning it just saying I wish that Muslims wouldn´t be in denial of it.

 

[Mohammad Hassan Raza]

Also, two wrongs don´t make a right. Just because some Christian priests sodomise boys it doesn´t make it any better if some Muslims do it. Nor should you say, "at least we are better off than the Christian Church Perverts" as it makes you sound narrow minded, a bigot, and, frankly, a twerp.

I myself am a Pathan and Minzai.. I know about this.. Whenever I meet my Uncles they kiss my forehead and I kiss their Hands.. that does not make me homosexual.. Because in many reviews of American travellers to Afghanistan, They have said that the "Pathans hug each other and kiss foreheads and hands." This may sound and look a bit odd to many people but that does not make them homosexual .! But yeah, in many of the present reviews you will see such acts mentioned as homosexual acts.. Now that think might sound like something "twerp-like" to you..!

"Main hoon Khwajah ki Deewani".. does this sound vulgar ?! That a woman is loving My Sarkaar Khwajah Ghareeb Nawaaz Rahmatullah 'Alayh ..!

Have you Heard the CD of "Taajdaar-e-Haram" by Sabri Bros. in which there is a line in Sarai ki Zubaan (pardon me for languag mistakes!) .. "Tu Mera Dilbar Ban Jaaye, to Mai Nacchaangee Mai Gaawaangee" .. there are many such Sufi-poetries in which you will see such lines ..

Hazrat-Bedam shah Waarsi Rahmatullah 'Alayh wrote this for Hazrat Waaris Paak Rahmatullah 'Alayh that

"Peene ko to Pee lunga, Bas Shart Zara si hai
Baghdad ka Saaqi ho, Ajmer ka Maikhana"

Does this mean that he is demanding wine! Because from a perspective of an outsider it may seem that this is Sin in Islam, inspite of that a Dervesh is demanding wione ..! UN-Islamic ?


Many people Blamed Huzoor Maulana Jalaaluddin Rumi Rahmatullah 'Alayh for righting poems in which somethings appear Un-Islamic ..

Now see this for example..

Perhaps even more controversially, the ecstatic and loving relationship between Rumi and Shams is described in loving, yet graphic detail.

Just as with fundamental Christianity and Judaism, Islam abhors and shuns any idea of homosexuality, yet this beloved son of Islam extols the virtues and his love for this teacher in such phrases as, “I am your harp, You strike your plectrum on every part of my body. How can’t I cry?”

http://www.newdawnbooks.info/Reviews/The_Forbidden_Rumi.html

Now will you Blame Hazrat Maulana Jalaluddin Rumi Rahmatullah 'Alayh for this!! Or is tehre any great Meaning hidden which has been overlooked by the 'Misinterpreting eyes of Ergin and Will Thomson" ?!

Now the misinterprations have been nicely refuted and "correctly interpreted" by a person who knows !!

http://www.dar-al-masnavi.org/rumi-shams.html

So Bro Asif, the point was that sometimes things are misunderstood, confused and misinterpreted.. Sometimes unknowingly and sometimes Deliberately..!

Islam is a very vast Religion..!

Hope this twerp (myself) has got some points that may interest you or may force yo to ponder upon ur post ..

ALLAH HAAFIZ

 

[naqshbandijamaati]

Brother Hassan Raza,
I agree with you that Orientalists sometimes misinterpret mystical verses for the love between Man and God or Mureed and Pir, due to the deliberately ambiguous language employed, and modern European Man has lost the ability to distinguish between Platonic, Spiritual Love, and sexual love, when it comes to males, and wrongly attribute such things as homosexuality to the chaste mystical love between, for example, Mawlana Rumi and Shams...

but

brother, this documentary was not about mystical love between men and youths in which the young teenager is the model of Idealised Love, rather it was about the sordid business of bacheh-baazi which is basically teenage male prostitution with an element of cross-dressing thrown in!

Here is the link to the documentary so you can see for yourself:
http://vimeo.com/11352212

If you guys have seen the movie Alexander (about Sikandar e Azam, directed by Oliver Stone), there is a scene in it, set in India, where Alexander´s Persian boy, Bagoas (a historically accurate character--Alexander did have such a slaveboy), dances for him very suggestively...

that tradition is what is being discussed in this doc.

p.s. you´re not a twerp, of course, but you do have a tendency, like most young people, of seeing things in black and white only. as you age you will begin to see that nothing is so clear cut...

your brother

p.s. this has nothing to do with how pathans or arabs or iranians greet each other. i notice that sometimes they kiss each other on the neck on either side.

 

[naqshbandijamaati]

p.s. they are in afghanistan and yet everyone is speaking farsi in the documentary and not pashto. is farsi so widespread there?!

maash´Ollah!

 

[Said]

As-salamu 'alaykum,

p.s. they are in afghanistan and yet everyone is speaking farsi in the documentary and not pashto. is farsi so widespread there?!

maash´Ollah!

Al-Shaykh al-'Allama Google bin Internet Sahib (db)* came up with this:

Pashto and Dari (Afghan Persian/Farsi) are the official languages of Afghanistan. Pashto was declared the National Language of the country during the beginning of Zahir Shah's reign, however, Dari has always been used for business and government transactions. Both belong to the Indo-European group of languages. According to recent US government estimates, approximately 35 percent of the Afghan population speaks Pashto, and about 50 percent speaks Dari. Turkic languages (Uzbek and Turkmen) are spoken by about 11 percent of the population. There are also numerous other languages spoken in the country (Baluchi, Pashai, Nuristani, etc.), and bilingualism is very common.

Source: http://www.afghan-web.com/language/

* (db) here meaning data-bot or something, not damat barakatuhu(m).

 

[Mohammad Hassan Raza]

Assalaamu 'Alaykum

Brother Said Bak, you are I think mistaken about the stats.. Pashto is spoken by the majority of the population while Farsi-speakers are in minority ..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashto_language

Plz do review ..

ALLAH HAAFIZ

 

[Said]

Assalaamu 'Alaykum

Brother Said Bak, you are I think mistaken about the stats.. Pashto is spoken by the majority of the population while Farsi-speakers are in minority ..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashto_language

Plz do review ..

ALLAH HAAFIZ

Wa 'alaykum us-salam,

Then read this (also from Wikipedia):

• Persian (officially designated as Dari): 50%
• Pashto: 35%
• Turkic languages (primarily Uzbek and Turkmen): 11%
• 30 minor languages (primarily Balochi and Pashayi): 4%
• much bilingualism

Other minor languages include Nuristani (Ashkunu, Kamkata-viri, Vasi-vari, Tregami and Kalasha-ala), Pamiri (Shughni, Munji, Ishkashimi and Wakhi), Brahui, Hindko, Kyrgyz, etc.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan#Languages

 

[Wadood]

The occupation forces are trying to pass the bilingualism of the pashtuns on ethnic lines, beware.

This 50%/35% figure does the job in afghanistan, that 60-65%/35-37% does in 'iraq. Yet the former ratio does not seem as dramatic as the latter one, because of the inherent size of the pashtuns, yet the occupation forces like to still play the game here of stats to introduce what you call 'democracy'

 

[Wadood]

rough estimates

pashtun 50%

tajik 20%

aimaq 3%

uzbek 10%

turk 3%

nuristani 1%

baloch 2%

hindu/sikh .5%

hazara rawafiD 8%

other rawafiD 2%

 

[Mohammad Hassan Raza]

Assalaamu 'Alaykum

It will be kind of you brother 'Abd al-Wadood to mention the source link.

ALLAH HAAFIZ

 

[Wadood]

These are my own figures brother Raza. I believe they are correct.I have been conservative with them. Most likely Pashtuns are more than 50%