Book Release : The Truth About A Lie

Ustādh-e Zaman Mawlana Ĥasan Razā Khān raĥimahullah wrote:

Tere Nazdīq Hua Kizb Elāhī Mumkin,
Tujh Pe Shaytān Ka Pathkār, Ye Himmat Terī

Balke Kazāb Kiyā Tū Ne, Tu Iqrār Wuqū’,
Uff-re! Na-Paak Yahā[n] Tak Hai, Khabāsat Terī

[Zawq-e Na’at, Kashf-e Raaz Najdīyat, pp. 118]
 
Mawlana Diya' Ad-din Khalid Al-baghdadi An Naqshbandi(qs)

[FONT=Verdana,Helvetica,Arial]THE ANNOTATED TRANSLATION OF[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Helvetica,Arial]'I'TIQAD-NAMA'[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Helvetica,Arial]by The great wali, the treasure of Allahu ta'ala's blessings,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Helvetica,Arial]superior man in every respect,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Helvetica,Arial] the master of unattainable knowledge,[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Helvetica,Arial]the light of right, truth and religion[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Helvetica,Arial]MAWLANA DIYA' AD-DIN[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Helvetica,Arial]KHALID AL-BAGHDADI.(QS)[/FONT]

All the books sent down by Allahu ta'ala are just and right. There is no lie or fault in them. Though He said He would punish and torture, it was said that it was possible (jaiz) that He would forgive; this depends on His Will or on conditions which man could not know, or it is meant that He would forgive the punishment which Muslims deserve. Since the words 'punishment' and 'torture' do not narrate an event, it would not be a lie if He forgives. Or, though it is not jaiz that He would not give the rewards which He promised, it is jaiz that He would forgive the punishments. Reason, laws of human beings and ayats prove us right.
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http://www.hizmetbooks.org/Belief_and_Islam/bbooks.htm
[Translated by Shaykh Huseyn Hilmi Isik]
 
Brother Abu Hasan, I checked in the bibliography section to see which editions of books were used but unfortunately they're not stated. If a future release is to come, please try to include the editions you used so that it would be easier to match the page numbers of the quotes in the footnotes with the actual arabic text. Just a friendly suggestion.

If you could be so kind, can you please tell me which edition of al-musamarah you used? And if the edition is available online, then please provide a link here too.

Also, out of curiosity, I don't recall seeing the quote from Qasim bin Qutlubugha pointing out his difference with the maatin and shaarih. Any particular reason why you left this out since it would clearly bolster your argument?
 
If a future release is to come, please try to include the editions you used so that it would be easier to match the page numbers of the quotes in the footnotes with the actual arabic text. Just a friendly suggestion.
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this was a feature we wanted in the first release itself - and we even listed many of them in the initial versions, but soon we realised that it was time consuming and with the debate on 'imkan' raging on forums, what with kadh'dhabiyyah gloating and lying brazenly with perfect shamelessness, we wanted to get this out* at the earliest, and after internal discussions, we decided to leave out cosmetic features for the next release and with the rationale that those who wish to examine the arabic text will probably find it with just the name of the book.

however, a revision is planned with facing arabic text for all citations, and a more detailed bibliography, in sha Allah.

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many of these texts are found as PDFs - most of these are versions found either on the library mostafa or aslein. i have also used manuscripts of some texts on makhtota/ksu for verification; and in a few cases cited from another book which is duly noted. we have tried our best to be as accurate as possible and if we have missed anything or slipped somewhere, we ask Allah ta'ala to forgive us. [please write to us at feedback@ridawipress.org for any corrections, suggestions]
wa billahi't tawfiq.

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*alHamdulillah, the kadh'dhabiyyah vermin have since scurried into their stinky holes and they won't be coming out very soon; and if they will, muslims will swat them sound and proper in sha Allah.
 
shukran for the information. Do you mind kindly informing me which edition you used for al-musamarah?

Was there a specific reason why you chose not to state ibn Qutlubugha's opinion?
 
'For example, Abu Lahab was born with apparently the same chance as anyone to hear the Prophet's message (Allah bless him and give him peace), enter Islam, and reach paradise. But when he persecuted the Muslims, and surat al-Masad (Qur'an 111) was subsequently revealed, and Allah manifested His beginninglessly eternal knowledge that Abu Lahab was of the people of hell. Although initially this outcome was merely contingent and possible, when the eternal Word of Allah connected with it, it became necessary, final, and inabrogable, for Allah only informs of what is in His knowledge, and His knowledge only conforms to what truly is, which is why no one alters the words of Allah (Qur'an 6:34), for otherwise His words would express ignorance, an attribute impossible for God, or lies, which equally contradict the nature of the Divine'

http://masud.co.uk/ISLAM/nuh/amat.htm
 
it is really an amazing effort from your side and share this book with others so that others can also get benefit from the useful information about recognizing the truth.
 
all these points have been refuted numerous times. @ottoman1924 read the work and remember, the original works of the kabair of deoband are available so no matter how much they try to defend the 'undefendables', their efforts are futile.

Also, perhaps the dude who exerted himself in writing this nonsense should concentrate his efforts towards a more beneficial endeavour & read the work 'Taqdees ul-Wakeel an' tauheen rashid wa khalil' [not Taqdees ul Qadeer].
 
ottoman1924 said:
That's the point. No one is trying to defend the indefensible that would be futile. The accusations by the Bralwi side do not correlate to what is currently being taught by deoband about these issues. The only place I hear about these "deobandi" beliefs are from the Bralwi folk. I do not hear them being propogated in various circles of deobandi present scholars . So either they have dropped these beliefs over time or they were just accusations to begin with and never existed the way the Bralwi side presented them. This seems to be the case judged on the one way venom which is being thrown . Or are these deviant deobandi positions being taught in secret ? If that's the case it's certainly passed by me for over 2 decades. It's certainly NOT my personal position that Allah has lied or can lie but my position is as the subtle explanation that was given in the previous post about Allah having the power to be able to do opposite of what he revealed eg. Placing firawn in paradise (but Allah would not do this ). The Bralwi side seem to have constructed straw accusations and presented the positions and other topics in ways which are obviously indefensible. Sh. Manzoor Numani wrote about this in detail at the time.
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1] What is "currently" being taught by the Deobandiyya is not what they were taken to task for, neither do we accuse Deobandi's [laymen] of holding those erroneous beliefs, those statements that were made and printed in their works are PRESENT AND AVAILABLE to this very day in the original urdu, so before jumping to assumptions and throwing accusations, it would perhaps be wise to read entirely on the issue and not simply rely on the drivel that you posted initially.

2] Ashraf Ali Thanvi, Rashid Ahmed Gangohi, Khalil Ahmed Ambetwi and Qasim Nanotvi all committed KUFR in their works. These are the 4 that were taken to task. Did you know, Shafi Uthmani, the father of Mufti Taqi Uthmani [deobandi] said that the one who believes the word "Khatam" [seal] to mean anything other than the final/seal of Prophets is a disbeliever? Now might i suggest you read Qasim Nanotvi's 'Tahzeer un Naas' and read what he wrote.

3] Whether these beliefs are being taught or sang in public or in secret is completely irrelevant. Did they make those statements? Manzur Numani refused to debate the issue with Mawlana Mustafa Rida Khan, bet your "little circle" never told you that, or did they tell you another version?

I say this on record, I am willing to discuss/debate this issue with you or your circle in person.
 
ottoman1924 said:
If the original works of deoband on these issues are as you say then why are these erroneous beliefs NOT being propogated by deoband ? Which majlis are these deobandi beliefs being secretly propogated ?Why are they being so profusely propagated by the Bralwi side ?Give me any of your accusations that you claim deobandis believe and I will unravel them for you in simple laymen terms. Dont tell me such and such wrote this therfore "deobandis believe this ".
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Any sane Muslim would reject the filth that is mentioned in those books that's why, Barelvi's are very passionate about it and rightfully so, after all, the honour of the Prophet [Alayhi'salam] means more to us than anything, perhaps you should ponder on that and check where your loyalties lie.
 
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