shaykh yaqubi on alahazrat

[snaqshi]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

Salaam Abu Hasan, so would you apply the same formula with such zeal for some like.....lets say Muhadithi Kabeer, who frequently labels sunni's as ' Sulah Kulli' and 'Gumrahi' for sharing the stage with political leaders, but yet is not partial to cossying with Deobandi's as part of "kowmi Islamic conferences" circa 2009, yet negated to tell the very same people that they had deviated from the majority? [before anyone get upset i can provide the evidence of this i.e. risalah and picture of the event].

Yet you freely attack shaykh yaqoubi "by association" and label him because of the actions of Hamza Yusef Hanson........lots of assumptions!!!!

people seem to have difficulty in the notion that, "In Islam there is difference of opinion" and everyone has the personal right of choice [la iqraha fid deen]

 

[abu Hasan]

people seem to have difficulty in the notion

you have difficulty in understanding the issues.

did muhaddith e kabir ever say that deobandis are sunnis and that people should follow them? did muhaddith e kabir ever stop his murids (or any other sunnis) from criticising devbandis? has any of his khulafa/students become a devbandi, yet muhaddith e kabir continues to support him and never utter a word against him (to the best of my knowledge, none of his khulafa has reneged; Allah ta'ala knows best).

yaqubi sahib actively supports hamza hanson and dissuades his own murids (i am told) from criticising hamza. hamza is a perennialist in spite of his denials; he invites perennialists like nasr for his functions - which, incidentally are "islamic convocations" and writes forewords to such books, remains on the board of one of the prominent perennialist book-publishers.

Yet you freely attack shaykh yaqoubi "by association"

actually, that is one of the problems. there are others too and you can dig the forum.

secondly, 'by association' also works the other way; so don't give me the 'he is a sayyid, so he has a carte blanche' (hint: sayyid gets respect 'by association').

 

[snaqshi]

secondly, 'by association' also works the other way; so don't give me the 'he is a sayyid, so he has a carte blanche' (hint: sayyid gets respect 'by association').

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

LOL i have never said our implied such a thing...........!
Everyone has the choice to follow who they like coercion in not part of the deen last time i looked, no one is compelled to do anything in Islam, you follow what you deem fit according to your understanding.

 

[Aqdas]

people seem to have difficulty in the notion that, "In Islam there is difference of opinion"

People seem to have difficulty in the notion that, in Islam, there is a difference between usuli and furuyi matters. Differences of opinion are allowed in furu (e.g. hanafi, shafiyi) but not in usul (e.g. perennialism is kufr).

It is either downright ignorance or something more sinister to cite differences in furu and apply that exonerate those who differ in usul.

 

[Exposition]

The issues go beyond the hamza yusuf issue, IIRC.......there was some comments about not giving dawah, muslims marching with crosses? we shouldn't discuss aqida issues except in the classroom and that we shouldn't condemn Christians in Jumma speeches. the words against shaykh ramadan al bouti, claiming his not fit enough to do itjihaad.....this being demonstrated by a supposed fatwa he gave on being able to watch 'porn'......which when I investigated was not true at all. Wishy washy stance on democracy, secularism etc

 

[abu Hasan]

no one is compelled to do anything in Islam, you follow what you deem fit according to your understanding.

confirmation that you are a troll.

end of story.

 

[snaqshi]

confirmation that you are a troll.

end of story.

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

There you go again, anyone that disagrees with your "brand" of Islam they are deem either and idiot or a troll....

 

[ibnhasan]

How many sunni/sufi scholars and sayyids from the list I posted earlier have dissented and departed from the Group?

"Allah's hand is over the group."
"Allah's hand is over the group, and whoever dissents from them departs to hell."
"My community shall never agree upon misguidance, therefore, if you see divergences, you must follow the greater mass or larger group."


According to the minority on this Forum Majority of the sunni/sufi scholars and sayyids are no longer part of this Group! may Allah (SWT) guide us!


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"Hold fast to the rope of Allah, all of you, and do not split into factions" (3:103).
"And they were not divided until after the knowledge came unto them, through rivalry among themselves" (42:14).
"O you who believe, obey Allah and obey the Prophet and thoseof authority among you" (4:59).

 

[AbdalQadir]

confirmation that you are a troll.

why don't you add some kind of a captcha form or something in the registration section to weed out the trolls? i've seen some people also ask answers to "what's 2+3=" or something like that.

i'd suggest some defining question for a contemporary Sunni, and the question has been suggested (indirectly) by the troll himself.

make it 3 simple multiple choice:
choose only one answer for each question:

1. Islam tolerates differences of opinions on:

a) matters of fiqh (jurisprudence)
b) matters of creed and faith
c) both of the above
d) none of the above

2. Is inviting christians to a mosque asking them to worship according to their religion:

a) a matter of jurisprudence
b) a matter of creed and faith

3. Saying that the weighty import of verse 22:17 is that it is theologically forbidden for Muslims to say that on the day of judgment polytheists, jews, christians, sabians, and magians will go to hellfire - is:

a) a matter of jurisprudence
b) a matter of creed and faith

 

[AbdalQadir]

ibnhasan, have you been here before?

 

[Alf]

I need some help in understanding this point: difference of opinion on fiqhi issues is tolerated. By 'tolerated' does it only mean the scholar who holds this view is not spoken badly of, or does it also mean following the different opinion introduced by the scholar by other people is tolerated?

I have the the issue of 3 talaq and Ibn Taymiya's error regarding it in mind while I am asking this.

 

[Contemplating Sufi]

Majority of the sunni/sufi scholars and sayyids

Majority of sayyids consists they not of. Bold claim by person with no evidence.

 

[ibnhasan]

ibnhasan, have you been here before?

I thought you were done with the “Ego Trip” ?
It’s not difficult check the: IP Address… it may Help!

 

[Abu Hamza]

Abdul Qadir the point i was trying to make was quite simple but it seems that you were unable to comprehend it, but i think i made my point, learn some basic manners because it seems your parents havent raised you on the true Maslak of Imam Ahmad Rida Khan رحمه الله

 

[Wadood]

Abdul Qadir the point i was trying to make was quite simple but it seems that you were unable to comprehend it, but i think i made my point, learn some basic manners because it seems your parents havent raised you on the true Maslak of Imam Ahmad Rida Khan رحمه الله

horrible comment. If there were negative ratings, i would gave given you 10 of them

 

[inquisitive]

lets say Muhadithi Kabeer, who frequently labels sunni's as ' Sulah Kulli' and 'Gumrahi' for sharing the stage with political leaders, but yet is not partial to cossying with Deobandi's as part of "kowmi Islamic conferences" circa 2009, yet negated to tell the very same people that they had deviated from the majority? [before anyone get upset i can provide the evidence of this i.e. risalah and picture of the event].

MuHadith-e-Kabir Shaykh diya al Mustafa? If so, I have heard he's very strict in such matters and if you do make such a claim then you should provide some evidence.

I know someone who knows someone close to the Shaykh and I can try to get a clarification if you want.

 

[snaqshi]

MuHadith-e-Kabir Shaykh diya al Mustafa? If so, I have heard he's very strict in such matters and if you do make such a claim then you should provide some evidence.

I know someone who knows someone close to the Shaykh and I can try to get a clarification if you want.

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
Salaam brother that wont be a problem pm me inshallah i will forward you what I have

 

[Unbeknown]

@inquisitive be careful lest you be taken for a ride. We are yet to know the name of the mysterious 'local mosque' where Owais qadri is supposed to have demanded £1500 for naath-khwani.

 

[AbdalQadir]

no need for anyone to be taken for a ride.

Allama Qibla Yaseen Akhtar Misbahi Sahib has himself stated in open communiques to Tajush Shari3ah and Muhaddithe Kabir that if someone can prove Irfan-e-Mazhab o Maslak to be full on sulah kulli or sulah kulli-leaning, then he will make public tawba and rujoo3.

See these links please for some info on this and other closely related topics.

http://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/embed_code/39897693#

http://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/embed_code/39897636#

http://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/embed_code/38934928#

http://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/embed_code/39897670#

the ulema of Bareily need to prove just how in the light of the Shari3ah some or all the ulema of Mubarakpur are sulah kulli or misguided, and how Qibla Yaseen Akhtar Sahib's Irfan-e-Mazhab o Maslak is a call to sulah kulliyat.

they also need to prove that furoo3i differences on things like salah on train constitutes ikhtilaf on usul and manhaj necessitating public tawbah and rujoo3

i hope this time the moderators won't be bullied by some members and let the links stay and let the topic go on in the spirit of justice, fairness and citing references from our Mazhab and Maslak!

 

[Syed Ahmed Uwaisi]

ibnhasan, how dare you talk like that to Syed Ahmed Uwaisi?

Its no big deal Akhi Abdul Qadir, lets let this yong man Ibn Hasan air his thoughts.

Ibn Hasan, it is strange how little of the debate you are grasping, making little girly fights with forum brothers will not bring you any progress in your promotion of these people, 'Shaykh' Yaqubi, Habib Ali, etc etc.