Afzaliyat and Kufr

[kattarsunni]

Again I re iterate, without seeing the whole picture the bus home can be missed and the subject grossly misunderstood. I said earlier with reason:

In each one of the above four there are numerous sayings. And then there is tarjih (preference) of the jamhur (majority). Here it would not be sufficient to take snippets from a few books. It would be necessary to have an in depth understanding of the jamhur position.

With regard to the position of Imam Ghazzali and Imam Amidi, Allama AbdulA'liyy Muhammad bin Nizzaam alDeen alAnsaariy rahimaha Allah writes:

| (مسئلة * لا يشترط عدالة المجتهد) في الإجماع (فيتوقف على غير العدل في مختار الآمدي و) الإمام حجة الإسلام (الغزالي) قدس سره كلاهما من الشافعية (لأن الأدلة) الدالة على حجية الإجماع (مطلقة) عن تقييد الأمة بكونها عدلا فاعتبار اجماع العدول مع مخالفة الفاسق لا مدرك له شرعا وكل حكم لا مدرك له شرعا وجب نفيه وهذا انما يتم إذا كان الأمة المطلقة شاملة للساق في العرف القديم (والحنفية بل الجمهور شرطوا العدالة) وهو الحق لأن قول الفاسق واجب التوقف فلا دخل له في الحجية و (لأن الحجية) في الإجماع (حقيقة للتكريم) لأهله والفاسق لا يستحق التكريم وقد يقال لم يدل دليل على أن الحجية للتكريم وانما اللازم أن التكريم ثبت بالحجية


The above quote is from his 'Fawatih alRahmut Sharh Musallam alThabut', page 407, vol.2 (Dar alArqam ed.), under the book of Ijma'.

He states the jamhur opinion is that the faasiq mujtahid is not considered.
And he mentions the divergent opinion of Ghazzali and Amidi.
In all the divergent opinions on ijma' we follow the jamhur. And in knowing who the jamhur are the muta'akhir U'lama like the above are the best people to tell us.

 

[ghulam e Ghaus]

we follow the jamhur

thats all I wanted you to say. Thank You. good bye.

 

[kattarsunni]

I'll repeat what I said, but in full and not a snippet:

In all the divergent opinions on ijma' we follow the jamhur. And in knowing who the jamhur are the muta'akhir U'lama like the above are the best people to tell us.

 

[ghulam e Ghaus]

respected brother, on a lighter note:

kann phanwein sidda phardo ya puttah phardo par phardiya kann hi hai!

 

[Ghulam]

When are you releasing your refutation of matla?

 

[kattarsunni]

Here Peer Sayyid Abdul Qadri Shah Sahib says to reject the jamhur based ijma' on afdaliiya is fisq (transgression) and bida' at 8 mins and 30 sec onwards:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-J9IjKrAQE

 

[kattarsunni]

One note that is very relevant. Ijma' is a source of law. What is the source for Ijma' being an evidence? If it were Ijma' itself then that would lead to circular reasoning. Therefore the evidence of Ijma' is from the Quran and Sunnah itself.

The other sects reject Ijma' as a source of law for obvious reasons. The likes of Jubbai are mentioned in the books of Usul.

So it is irrelevant if the opinion of a mujtahid mubtadi' is taken in to consideration or not, simply because the innovators themselves do not believe
in Ijma' as a source of law.
Another point to note is that during the civil strife in the reign of Mawla Ali radiyAllahu anhu, despite the civil war, Mawla Ali radiyAllahu anhu was Khalifah. From what source do we establish this? By way of Ijma', even if there were dissenters.